Margaret Thatcher is dead.

[Tecumsehsbones]

There are many on the right that I had a lot of respect for especially when they passed
They contributed to the progress of mankind, people like Churchill, Thatcher was on the
cutting edge of leading us back to the twelfth century.
As for the Scots, I hope they make good on independence to demonstrate they are Scots
not British at all. The crown of the Isles was stolen by the Germans actually from Mary
Queen of Scots. There are many who still have not forgotten that and never will.

Ironically, the current Stuart Pretender (i.e., the man who would be king if you threw out the Windsors, Hannovers, Oranges, &c., back to James the Second) is German, the head of the House of Wittelsbach, Graf Franz. He's also the king of Bavaria, if you ignore that little "do away with the monarchy and nobility" thing the Allies imposed on Germany in 1918.

 

[L Gilbert]

I just heard on C.B.C. radio that Margaret Thatcher has succumbed at age 87. What will her legacy be? Tough old broad for sure...........didn't take any crap.

A posthumous goodbye to the dingbat and sympathies to her family and friends.

 

[gopher]

Dude, you should really see somebody about your issues with hate.

It's not healthy to be so full of hate.

Take a look at the two hate filled threads about Chavez's death and learn to practice what you preach.


John Fugelsang: Saying 'Hateful' Things About World Leaders On The Day They Die | Liberals Unite


As one commentator says:


"Iron Lady" will be remembered as a conviction politician, but others say her methods were cruel and heartless. But to her critics, Thatcher was a force of devastation, who destroyed British industry and laid waste to communities that have never recovered; who sold the country's fortunes to a deregulated financial sector and encouraged a speculative culture with disastrous consequences; and whose premiership was defined by the pitched battles of the 1984 miners' strike, by inner city riots and by the social unrest over the hated poll tax that eventually led to her political demise in 1990.

In foreign affairs, she dismissed the apartheid-fighting Africa National Congress in South Africa as "a typical terrorist organisation" and refused to back sanctions against the racist state, and drank tea with Augusto Pinochet while the former Chilean military ruler was being held under house arrest in London as part of an investigation into human rights abuses.

"She pursued policies that caused great suffering to millions of ordinary working class men and women in this country," Peter Tatchell, a political activist, told Al Jazeera. "She decimated the manufacturing base, causing unprecedented mass unemployment. She used virtual police state methods to suppress the miners' strike. The miners were effectively starved back to work. These were very cruel and heartless policies."

 

[captain morgan]

Take a look at the two hate filled threads about Chavez's death and learn to practice what you preach.


John Fugelsang: Saying 'Hateful' Things About World Leaders On The Day They Die | Liberals Unite

.. And this is somehow justification for anything?

 

[gerryh]

Let's face it Blackleaf.. she was a hellish bitch.. a hag stirring the neo-conservative witches' cauldron.. and the world is just a nicer place with her gone.. i toasted the event when i heard of it. A disgrace to Britain and the world.

disgusting.

 

[Cannuck]

I don't personally care what she did for Britain (Medicine Hat is full of Brits that couldn't wait to get out of the **** hole). I will judge Maggie on how she dealt with apartheid and Pinochet because that tells me alot about how she thought.

 

[damngrumpy]

Moving up the British music charts Ding Dong the Witch is Dead. Young people are celebrating
She is getting little respect and parts of the country are more demonstrative than others. I think
it is a sad day when people celebrate another's death. I didn't have much good to say about her
but this is going to far in my opinion.
. On the other hand she supported some people that were not popular in Britain

 

[coldstream]

Moving up the British music charts Ding Dong the Witch is Dead.

right... it's like being in Munchkin land.. :lol:

Glinda.. the good Witch of the South.. setting off a celebration..

Hammer and sickle: The drama teacher Romany Blythe, who works with the young and 'potentially criminalised individuals' is believed to have rallied thousands for the 'death parties'​

not that i support the hammer and cycle.. but the 'little people' deserved a party.. for the crushing of the Free Market wicked Witch of the West. ​

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

not that i support the hammer and cycle..

Me neither. It's dangerous to cycle when you're hammered.

 

[JLM]

Moving up the British music charts Ding Dong the Witch is Dead. Young people are celebrating
She is getting little respect and parts of the country are more demonstrative than others. I think
it is a sad day when people celebrate another's death. I didn't have much good to say about her
but this is going to far in my opinion.
. On the other hand she supported some people that were not popular in Britain

Absolutely, sometimes, when people denigrate others, it says more about them than the one being denigrated!

 

[CDNBear]

Take a look at the two hate filled threads about Chavez's death and learn to practice what you preach.

I said nothing like the hate filled nonsense you posted here.

Stop lying and embarrassing yourself.

 

[Blackleaf]

Virtually anything can be called 'legal' in war.. that does not make war crimes just or practical.. since niether applied to the Balgrano.

The Belgrano was a totally obsolete light cruiser (pre WW2 era - built in 1935 - and acquired from the U.S. after she had been decommisioned in 1951).. operating outside the exclusion zone that Britain had unilaterally declared.. and was headed back to her own port when she was sunk by the British Nuclear Submarine HMS Conquerer.

She had never been a serious threat, her main role had been in training Agentine naval cadets up to that point... and this was still at a point when intense diplomacy to avoid war was being conducted. That didn't daunt Thatcher, who wanted blood. The Captain of the Conqueror in fact had to be ordered directly to sink her.. it being such an minor target. 323 died.

What a load of rubbish you write. Can you not research things before hand?

In 1994, Argentina itself admitted that the sinking of the Belgrano was entirely legal.

In August 1994, an official Argentine Defence Ministry report written by armed forces auditor Eugenio Miariwas was released which described the sinking of the Belgrano as "a legal act of war", explaining that "acts of war can be carried out in all of the enemy's territory" and "they can also take place in those areas over which no state can claim sovereignty, in international waters."

Interviewed by Martin Middlebrook for his book, The Fight For The Malvinas, the Belgrano's Captain Bonzo (who died in 2009) said he was not angry about the attack on his ship: "The limit [exclusion zone] did not exclude danger or risks; it was all the same in or out. I would like to be quite precise that, as far as I was concerned, the 200-mile limit was valid until 1 May, that is while diplomatic negotiations were taking place and/or until a real act of war took place, and that had happened on 1 May".

Bonzo wrote memories about the sinking in the book 1093 Tripulantes del Crucero ARA General Belgrano, published in 1992. In this book he wrote that it is "improper to accept that (...) the attack by HMS Conqueror was a treason". During an interview in 2003 he had stated that the Belgrano was only temporarily sailing to the west at the time of the attack, and his orders were to attack any British ships which came within range of the cruiser's armament.

Argentine Rear Admiral Allara, who was in charge of the task force that the Belgrano was part of, said "After that message of 23 April, the entire South Atlantic was an operational theatre for both sides. We, as professionals, said it was just too bad that we lost the Belgrano.

And here are the words of the declaration of the exclusion zone....

In announcing the establishment of a Maritime Exclusion Zone around the Falkland Islands, Her Majesty's Government made it clear that this measure was without prejudice to the right of the United Kingdom to take whatever additional measures may be needed in the exercise of its right of self-defence under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. In this connection Her Majesty's Government now wishes to make clear that any approach on the part of Argentine warships, including submarines, naval auxiliaries or military aircraft, which could amount to a threat to interfere with the mission of British Forces in the South Atlantic will encounter the appropriate response. All Argentine aircraft, including civil aircraft engaged in surveillance of these British forces, will be regarded as hostile and are liable to be dealt with accordingly.

Article 51
Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.


Belgrano was an armed warship of a belligerant power and therefore was a legitimate target regardless of her location, intent or heading

Here's an interesting fact: the Belgrano was the only ship in history ever to have been sunk in anger by a nuclear-powered submarine and only the second sunk in action by any type of submarine since World War II, the first being the Indian frigate INS Khukri by the Pakistani Hangor during the 1971 Indo-Pakistan War.

HMS Conqueror on her return to Faslane after the war in 1982. She is flying a Jolly Roger flag adorned with torpedoes, a customary act of Royal Navy submarines after a kill. She served in the RN between 1971 and 1990.

Most of the elaborately scripted plaudits that appeared on American television after her death came from the same neo-con ilk from which she spewed... Reagan Bush era new world order rabble.

Well, it wouldn't come from the loony left, would it?

Let's face it Blackleaf.. she was a hellish bitch..

If Thatcher was so hellish, then why did she win two elections in a row (1983 and 1987) by two of the most massive landslides in British electoral history? Why does a YouGov poll show her to be the most popular PM since 1945, even more popular than Churchill?

A disgrace to Britain and the world.

Most British people disagree with you.


.

 

[JLM]

Like most figure heads/celebrities, opinions on Margaret Thatcher have to be taken with a grain of salt. Every decision a politician makes effects most people, some positively, some negatively...........that's life. I liked her because she didn't take any crap, politically I don't have much of an opinion because she didn't do anything that affected me either way. Opinions about her can be argued ad infinitum, but a consensus will never be reached!

 

[coldstream]

What a load of rubbish you write. Can you not research things before hand?

In 1994, Argentina itself admitted that the sinking of the Belgrano was entirely legal.

In August 1994, an official Argentine Defence Ministry report written by armed forces auditor Eugenio Miariwas was released which described the sinking of the Belgrano as "a legal act of war", explaining that "acts of war can be carried out in all of the enemy's territory" and "they can also take place in those areas over which no state can claim sovereignty, in international waters."

Interviewed by Martin Middlebrook for his book, The Fight For The Malvinas, the Belgrano's Captain Bonzo (who died in 2009) said he was not angry about the attack on his ship: "The limit [exclusion zone] did not exclude danger or risks; it was all the same in or out. I would like to be quite precise that, as far as I was concerned, the 200-mile limit was valid until 1 May, that is while diplomatic negotiations were taking place and/or until a real act of war took place, and that had happened on 1 May".

Bonzo wrote memories about the sinking in the book 1093 Tripulantes del Crucero ARA General Belgrano, published in 1992. In this book he wrote that it is "improper to accept that (...) the attack by HMS Conqueror was a treason". During an interview in 2003 he had stated that the Belgrano was only temporarily sailing to the west at the time of the attack, and his orders were to attack any British ships which came within range of the cruiser's armament.

Argentine Rear Admiral Allara, who was in charge of the task force that the Belgrano was part of, said "After that message of 23 April, the entire South Atlantic was an operational theatre for both sides. We, as professionals, said it was just too bad that we lost the Belgrano.

And here are the words of the declaration of the exclusion zone....

In announcing the establishment of a Maritime Exclusion Zone around the Falkland Islands, Her Majesty's Government made it clear that this measure was without prejudice to the right of the United Kingdom to take whatever additional measures may be needed in the exercise of its right of self-defence under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. In this connection Her Majesty's Government now wishes to make clear that any approach on the part of Argentine warships, including submarines, naval auxiliaries or military aircraft, which could amount to a threat to interfere with the mission of British Forces in the South Atlantic will encounter the appropriate response. All Argentine aircraft, including civil aircraft engaged in surveillance of these British forces, will be regarded as hostile and are liable to be dealt with accordingly.

Article 51
Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.


Belgrano was an armed warship of a belligerant power and therefore was a legitimate target regardless of her location, intent or heading

Here's an interesting fact: the Belgrano was the only ship in history ever to have been sunk in anger by a nuclear-powered submarine and only the second sunk in action by any type of submarine since World War II, the first being the Indian frigate INS Khukri by the Pakistani Hangor during the 1971 Indo-Pakistan War.

HMS Conqueror on her return to Faslane after the war in 1982. She is flying a Jolly Roger flag adorned with torpedoes, a customary act of Royal Navy submarines after a kill. She served in the RN between 1971 and 1990.



Well, it wouldn't come from the loony left, would it?



If Thatcher was so hellish, then why did she win two elections in a row (1983 and 1987) by two of the most massive landslides in British electoral history? Why does a YouGov poll show her to be the most popular PM since 1945, even more popular than Churchill?



Most British people disagree with you.


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You didn't address ANY of the issues i brought up Blackleaf.. the General Belgrano was an obsolete naval training vessel in 1982, whose keel was laid in 1935 who posed NO threat with her armamants to the modern British Fleet equipped with state of art frigates and destroyers.

The full threat to the British Fleet came from aircraft delivered Exocet missiles.. which destroyed the HMS Sheffield and Atlantic Conveyor.. and close combat ordinance of fighters. The Belgrano incident ratcheted up the conflict.

The attack occurred at a time when the U.S. and the U.N were putting intense pressure on the Argentines to withdraw from the Falklands.. but this sinking made a full scale conflict inevitable.. one that eventually cost 255 British and 649 Argentine lives. It was that vampire bitch Thatcher's bloodlust that made for that outcome. She fed young Argentine and British lives to her rancid political ambition.. and trumped up 'iron lady' image.

As for Thatcher being the target of the Looney Left.. the cackling hag was a completely PHONY conservative.. She was a Neo-conservative.. and euphemism used to describe a proponent of Classic British Liberalism... that of Adam Smith, David Ricardo and Thomas Malthus who advocated economic and social libertarianism.. and anathema to the moral, institutional and social orthodoxy of true conservatism. The New World Order was composed by these jerks.. and it is now in a state of collapse in Europe and around the world.

As for her election.. well all kinds of despots and incompetents get elected.. unfortunately its the price of Democracy.. for the most part you'll have to put up with political hacks and twits.. like Thatcher, put in by credulous and apathetic electorate under the pall of a media minted 'consensus'... and occasionally you'll come up with worthy leader.. like Churchill or Roosevelt. You'd have to note that her own party ditched in an exercise of public ridicule.. her despite all that success.. nobody could stand being in same room with her caterwauling.

This is a list of British Ships sunk or damaged by the Argentines.. almost exclusively by air attack. The Argentine Navy played almost no part.

Saturday 1st May ​

HMS Alacrity - slightly damaged by bomb near misses
HMS Arrow - slightly damaged by cannon fire
HMS Glamorgan - slightly damaged by bomb near misses, all off Stanley by Daggers of FAA Grupo 6.

​

Tuesday 4th May

HMS SHEFFIELD - mortally damaged south east of Falklands by Exocet missile fired by Super Etendard of CANA 2 Esc. Burnt out and sank in tow on Monday 10th May.

​

Wednesday 12th May

HMS Glasgow - moderately damaged off Stanley by unexploded bomb (1) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 5. Bomb passed through hull but damage took some days to repair and she shortly returned to UK.

​

Friday 21st May

HMS Antrim - seriously damaged in Falkland Sound outside San Carlos Water by unexploded bomb (2)dropped by Daggers of FAA Grupo 6. UXB removed but damage took some days to repair.
HMS Broadsword - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by cannon fire from Daggers of Grupo 6.
HMS Argonaut - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by rockets and cannon fire from Aermacchi MB.339A of CANA 1 Esc, and then seriously damaged by two unexploded bombs (3/4)dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 5. Removing the UXB's and carrying out repairs took a number of days and although declared operational, she soon sailed for the UK.
HMS Brilliant - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by cannon fire from Daggers of Grupo 6. (Different attack from "Broadsword")
HMS ARDENT - badly damaged in Grantham Sound by bombs - hits, UXB's (5+) and near misses - dropped by Daggers of Grupo 6, then mortally damaged by bombs from A-4Q Skyhawks of CANA 3 Esc off North West Island. Sank the following evening.

​

Sunday 23rd May

HMS ANTELOPE - damaged in San Carlos Water by two unexploded bombs (6/7) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of Grupo 5. One of the bombs exploded that evening while being defused and she caught fire and sank next day.

​

Monday 24th May

RFA Sir Galahad - damaged by unexploded bomb ( and out of action for some days,
RFA Sir Lancelot - damaged by unexploded bomb (9) and not fully operational for almost three weeks,
RFA Sir Bedivere - slightly damaged by glancing bomb, all in San Carlos Water probably by A-4C Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 4.

​

Tuesday 25th May

HMS Broadsword - damaged north of Pebble Island by bomb from A-4B Skyhawk of Grupo 5 bouncing up through her stern and out again to land in the sea.
HMS COVENTRY - sunk north of Pebble Island in same attack by three bombs.
ATLANTIC CONVEYOR - mortally damaged north east of Falklands by Exocet missile fired by Super Etendard of CANA 2 Esc. Burnt out and later sank in tow.

​

Saturday 29th May

British Wye - hit north of South Georgia by bomb dropped by C-130 Hercules of FAA Grupo 1 which bounced into the sea without exploding

​

Tuesday 8th June

HMS Plymouth - damaged in Falkland Sound off San Carlos Water by four unexploded bombs (10-13) from Daggers of FAA Grupo 6.
RFA SIR GALAHAD - mortally damaged off Fitzroy by bombs from A-4B Skyhawks of Grupo 5 and burnt out. Later in June towed out to sea and sunk as a war grave.
RFA Sir Tristram - badly damaged off Fitzroy in same attack and abandoned, but later returned to UK and repaired.
LCU F4, HMS Fearless - sunk in Choiseul Sound by bomb from A-4B Skyhawk of Grupo 5.

​

Saturday 12th June

HMS Glamorgan - damaged off Stanley by land-based Exocet missile.
​

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

As for her election.. well all kinds of despots and incompetents get elected.. unfortunately its the price of Democracy.. for the most part you'll have to put up with political hacks and twits.. like Thatcher.. and occasionally you'll come up with worthy leader.. like Churchill or Roosevelt.

Would that be the Churchill who pushed, and finally achieved, deliberately creating a firestorm in Dresden? Or the Roosevelt who ordered a shipful of Jewish refugees turned away, until Eleanor browbeat him into accepting it?

 

[coldstream]

Would that be the Churchill who pushed, and finally achieved, deliberately creating a firestorm in Dresden? Or the Roosevelt who ordered a shipful of Jewish refugees turned away, until Eleanor browbeat him into accepting it?

I didn't say perfect.. i said competent for the task at hand... the Great Depression and World War 2. My father flew in a Lancaster for the RAF in the Dresden raid of February 13, 1945 (half of Bomber Command was killed in WW2, the highest KIA rate excluding the German U Boat Corps (at 75%) in the War).. i still have his Flying Log.. he and i never thought twice about it. Everyone knows when the gloves come off in war, the rules go out the window, all that matters is ending the war in victory. It takes the skill of a statesman is to avoid that cataclysm.. rather than inflame it like Thather.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I didn't say perfect.. i said competent for the task at hand... the Great Depression and World War 2. My father flew in a Lancaster for the RAF in the Dresden raid of February 13, 1945.. i still have his log.. he and i never thought twice about it.

People who murder children rarely do.

Everyone knows when the gloves come off in war, the rules go out the window, all that matters is ending the war in victory.

Which kinda makes you wonder why people take such umbrage at the Shoah and the Rape of Nanjing. Rules were out the window, enit?

It takes the skill of a statesman is to avoid that cataclysm.. rather than inflame it like Thather.

So, the sinking of the Belgrano was bad, and the deliberate immolation of 100,000 innocent civilians was good.

Right, got it.

 

[coldstream]

People who murder children rarely do.


Which kinda makes you wonder why people take such umbrage at the Shoah and the Rape of Nanjing. Rules were out the window, enit?


So, the sinking of the Belgrano was bad, and the deliberate immolation of 100,000 innocent civilians was good.

Right, got it.

Hitler had to be stopped.. if the German people were unwilling to do it... the rest of the world had to. They fed their own children to the flames when they all started marching in lockstep with the Nazis and their ethnic cleansing of 'sub-humans' for 'living space' for the Master Race.. and retaining an obedient Teutonic silence when their Jewish neighbours started being hauled off to Concentration Camps.

 

[gerryh]

I didn't say perfect.. i said competent for the task at hand... the Great Depression and World War 2. My father flew in a Lancaster for the RAF in the Dresden raid of February 13, 1945 (half of Bomber Command was killed in WW2, the highest KIA rate excluding the German U Boat Corps (at 75%) in the War).. i still have his Flying Log.. he and i never thought twice about it. Everyone knows when the gloves come off in war, the rules go out the window, all that matters is ending the war in victory. It takes the skill of a statesman is to avoid that cataclysm.. rather than inflame it like Thather.

Hitler had to be stopped.. if the German people were unwilling to do it... the rest of the world had to. They fed their own children to the flames when they all started marching in lockstep with the Nazis and their ethnic cleansing of 'sub-humans' for 'living space' for the Master Race.. and retaining an obedient Teutonic silence when their Jewish neighbours started being hauled off to Concentration Camps.

roflmfao/...... you sick fu cking hypocrite.


The fact that both you and your sick fu ck of a murdering old man didn't think twice about all the deaths that he contributed to shows how low the two of you were. Satan was sitting at his right hand obviously. Guiding it to kill as many innocents as possible.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Hitler had to be stopped.

Which kinda makes you wonder why they were wasting valuable munitions on innocent civilians in a non-military city instead of going after Hitler.

And spare me your sympathy for the Jews. Churchill and Roosevelt had plenty of military options for slowing or completely stopping the genocide machinery. They just had other priorities.