Tories release first attack ad against Mulcair

captain morgan

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No, I'm pretty consistent on that front. Attack ads on either side are just crass. I'd rather a politician tell me what he'll do if elected and let the other guy take care of himself. A politician who focuses more on the other guy tells me he has nothing to sell of himself. Which party has nothing to do with it for me anyway.


How do you feel about a politician that works to beguile the national population with fallacious statements that pit one region of the nation against the other?

Is that a more sound and honorable strategy?
 

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How do you feel about a politician that works to beguile the national population with fallacious statements that pit one region of the nation against the other?

Is that a more sound and honorable strategy?

He was not pitting one part against another. He was talking about the responsible exploitation of our non-renewable resources across the nation.

However, if you do interpret it the way you did, do you really need the Conservative Party to help you realise it, or can't you do it by getting the information from the horse's mouth?
 

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He was not pitting one part against another. He was talking about the responsible exploitation of our non-renewable resources across the nation.

And if we look a step further in the long term, it's clear that an unbalanced economy is actually harmful for the entire country, so in actuality he's bringing both sides together.
 

captain morgan

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He was not pitting one part against another. He was talking about the responsible exploitation of our non-renewable resources across the nation.

In light of the multiple federal, provincial and industry agencies that are watch-dogs in this area, what exactly does responsible (or sustainable) exploitation really mean?

Without a hard definition, those are just empty words.

However, if you do interpret it the way you did, do you really need the Conservative Party to help you realise it, or can't you do it by getting the information from the horse's mouth?

This is a 'new' issue to you as the MSM has sunk their teeth into it in the recent past. The fact is that this has been front and center to anyone that participates in any resource sector in Canada.

That said, it transcends any political party and spans across generations.
 

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Something I have always found curious that is never commented on is the logical coclusion to Harper's obsession with "destroying" the Liberals.

If he were to be successful, it would be a death warrant for his own Party and the end of his political career since the population by a significant margin is centrist or leftist. He would never have more than 42 0r 43% of a two Party vote.

Dude. Harper is a centralist. It is just that you are so lost in far far left field that you think he is on the right. Currently there is no significant right wing party in Canada. That is why you hear from the occasional right wing loon supporting the cons.
 

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watchdogs? Would these be the same environmental agencies that are being told to limit discussion during hearings? No, I have seen enough of Federal and Provincial and Industry watchdogs to know that there is no capacity to institute sustainable practice when conservatives and neo-consaervative liberals are in power.

I don't know that it transcends political parties. I suspect you are right, but the Green party does have the advantage of starting from an environment/sustainability platform, and not being in power yet.
 

captain morgan

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watchdogs? Would these be the same environmental agencies that are being told to limit discussion during hearings?

Are you referring to the hearings in which foreign funded eco-lobbies vowed to gum-up the process in the hopes of deferring the process? How about the Brazilian woman that was slated to attend/speak on behalf of the greenie-weenies?

Too bad that the actual woman listed had no idea that she was supposed to be there though

No, I have seen enough of Federal and Provincial and Industry watchdogs to know that there is no capacity to institute sustainable practice when conservatives and neo-consaervative liberals are in power.

Memo to All Resource Sectors in Canada:

Beaker is to be consulted personally by all agencies in advance of any investigation or compliance issue.

I don't know that it transcends political parties. I suspect you are right, but the Green party does have the advantage of starting from an environment/sustainability platform, and not being in power yet.

The issue and the regulatory bodies have been around for decades - long before Lizzy May was even a twinkle in the milk-man's eye
 

captain morgan

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Try looking at election results. You know! "The only poll that matters:" some say.

Looks like Canadians fully rejected all of the lefty alternatives, didn't they?

Except when they change a majority mandate on crime bills.

That's the nice thing about the majority of Canadians having confidence in you; you have the mandate to do these sort of things
 

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Dude. Harper is a centralist. It is just that you are so lost in far far left field that you think he is on the right. Currently there is no significant right wing party in Canada. That is why you hear from the occasional right wing loon supporting the cons.

Are you out of school yet? You must be very young and very new to politics to make such a funny statement seriously.

Harper is a Libertarian and proudly proclaims it. Harper wants to privatise Healthcare. Harper wants to deregulate everything. Harper wants the federal government to fade away and become the "Night Watchman" of extreme libertarianism. Harper wants business to operate without any oversight from government and he wants you to be a slave (a real slave) to the industrial machine.

All in his own words for the past thirty years. The very modern definition of extreme Right Wing.

Of course, he is not really Right Wing in the traditional sense. That position is held by the honourable philosophy of conservatism. The kind of philosophy of government that was followed by Clark and Stanfield in Canada and Ted Heath in England.

You can read about Heath who called Thatcherism " the ugly face of Capitalism." And that is what Harper is: the ugliest face of Capitalism that has appeared in the Western World anywhere. Bush was a liberal by comparison.

By the time you grow up and leave school, there may be a resurgence of genuine Right Wingers and you will be able to put Harper in true perspective.

But you are to be applauded for taking an interest in politics at such an early stage of life. It is refreshing when most of us are jaded by the apathy that has allowed this madman to hijack Canada.

Looks like Canadians fully rejected all of the lefty alternatives, didn't they?



That's the nice thing about the majority of Canadians having confidence in you; you have the mandate to do these sort of things
No it does not. Canadians voted massively against Harper's extreme Right Wing vision. Or do you not know what 60+% of the vote for centrist and Left Wing Parties means?
 

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No it does not. Canadians voted massively against Harper's extreme Right Wing vision. Or do you not know what 60+% of the vote for centrist and Left Wing Parties means?

I take it that the first past the post system isn't democratic unless the results are those that you favour.

Fact is, Harper received the most votes in a multi party system thereby giving him a sound majority
 

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Are you referring to the hearings in which foreign funded eco-lobbies vowed to gum-up the process in the hopes of deferring the process? How about the Brazilian woman that was slated to attend/speak on behalf of the greenie-weenies?

Too bad that the actual woman listed had no idea that she was supposed to be there though

Was that a qualification? The Brazilian woman has the right to speak. Foreign eco-lobbies have the right to speak. Is your attempt at belittlement the weapon of choice amongst the greedy-weedies?


Memo to All Resource Sectors in Canada:

Beaker is to be consulted personally by all agencies in advance of any investigation or compliance issue.

The issue and the regulatory bodies have been around for decades - long before Lizzy May was even a twinkle in the milk-man's eye

Thankyou, I had no idea that anyone on here would have the ability to authorize my consultation by the various resource sectors. And yes, massive resource use issues should have consultations with me and any concernced and impacted persons or groups. And while the regulatory bodies have been around for decades the issues have been around a lot longer than that. The trouble now is that the lazy and greedy are trying to avoid regulation by reducing the ability of those regulatory bodies to study the issues.

As to your petty comment on the patrimony of the leader of the Greens, I'm sorry your mind works that way.
 

captain morgan

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Was that a qualification? The Brazilian woman has the right to speak. Foreign eco-lobbies have the right to speak. Is your attempt at belittlement the weapon of choice amongst the greedy-weedies?

Time to get up to speed on the example of the Brazilian lady... She had no idea that her name was included on that list... Just another example of the illegal actions of the eco-frauds out there that rely on this sort of thing to push their individual agenda.

By the way, the foreign eco-lobbies don't have rights as Canadians. That said, they are welcome to not buy the resource in their own nation, but sadly for them, they don't have rights as Canadians


Thankyou, I had no idea that anyone on here would have the ability to authorize my consultation by the various resource sectors. And yes, massive resource use issues should have consultations with me and any concernced and impacted persons or groups. And while the regulatory bodies have been around for decades the issues have been around a lot longer than that. The trouble now is that the lazy and greedy are trying to avoid regulation by reducing the ability of those regulatory bodies to study the issues.

I never stated anything about consultations, you have the ability to sit in on and observe.

You want some direct input to push your agenda? Get a job as an analyst or inspector - no one is stopping you

As to your petty comment on the patrimony of the leader of the Greens, I'm sorry your mind works that way.

Sorry if that upsets you. I hope that it didn't make you cry.
 

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I take it that the first past the post system isn't democratic unless the results are those that you favour.

Fact is, Harper received the most votes in a multi party system thereby giving him a sound majority
That is a very burnable "strawman." The question is whether Harper is a centrist and whether he has support. When the support is massively opposed to him and his views, then he does not have support.

First past the Post is not democratic unless it produces a democratic result. That is, that the majority wins. Everything else is out of the topic and democracy is a very different discussion.
 

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That's the nice thing about the majority of Canadians having confidence in you; you have the mandate to do these sort of things

Perhaps you missed the part where the majority government didn't get to pass it's bill because of the public backlash.

In which case, try reading betterer.
 

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Are you out of school yet? You must be very young and very new to politics to make such a funny statement seriously.

Harper is a Libertarian and proudly proclaims it. Harper wants to privatise Healthcare. Harper wants to deregulate everything. Harper wants the federal government to fade away and become the "Night Watchman" of extreme libertarianism. Harper wants business to operate without any oversight from government and he wants you to be a slave (a real slave) to the industrial machine.

What his personal beliefs are and what he does are two separate things. Harper cannot go full out right wing as he has to appease the centrist voters who put his party in power. In reality, he doesn't govern much differently then Chretien did.
 

Cabbagesandking

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What his personal beliefs are and what he does are two separate things. Harper cannot go full out right wing as he has to appease the centrist voters who put his party in power. In reality, he doesn't govern much differently then Chretien did.
Reread the publicity about the Omnibus Bill and try to reconcile your conclusion. This Bill is a giant step in his dream. Add to it the funding for Healthcare that is a step in his plan to withdraw the government from that.
 

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Time to get up to speed on the example of the Brazilian lady... She had no idea that her name was included on that list... Just another example of the illegal actions of the eco-frauds out there that rely on this sort of thing to push their individual agenda.

By the way, the foreign eco-lobbies don't have rights as Canadians. That said, they are welcome to not buy the resource in their own nation, but sadly for them, they don't have rights as Canadians

Where do you get your info from on this mysterious Brazilian lady? Show us your source, let us judge whether you have been misled by the governments and companies that are trying to make legal the un-regulated abuse of our resources.

Incidntally, forign eco-lobbies don't have rights as Canadians, which doesn't deter fromk the fact that they have rights as world citizens, and when Canadian actions affect them they have the right to participate in Canadian decision making processes.

I never stated anything about consultations, you have the ability to sit in on and observe.

You want some direct input to push your agenda? Get a job as an analyst or inspector - no one is stopping you

Yes you did, you said that all Canadian resource industries should consult with me. If that isn't consultation for you then you must be some kind of alien, as opposed to just foreign, troublemaker. I don't need a job as an analyst, to be able to analyze. I don't need a job in inspection to be able to inspect. Unfortunately most of what passes for environmental assessment is pretty muchc constrained to simplistic and even jingoistic reports that any member ot the public can get some laughs out of.

Sorry if that upsets you. I hope that it didn't make you cry.
I didn't say that your childish comments on the leader of the Greens patrimony upset me, I said I was sorry that your mind works that way. You have my pity.