How about them Canucks!

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I was just checking the odds for each team winning the cup. According to this Pittsburgh has the best crack at it. I disagree.

Odds to win the 2012 Stanley Cup « Vegas Sports Betting

Actually upon checking the math those figures are bullsh*t. Divide by 1.5 to get the right answer.

I don't pay any attention to that stuff anyway, all of the people who fed the numbers into the computer
to come up with their answers don't know all the teams, don't follow most of the teams, and they only
take stats written on paper, and maybe some so-called experts opinions, at least thats the way I see
it.
They are not hockey people, don't see 'into' each team, don't know current situations in detail, and
haven't got the long term knowledge, 'even' as I have, from watching so many games, to gather a gut
feeling from individual players I have seen all year.(boy, that should bring posters running this way lol)

I certainly am not an expert at all, and i'm the first to say that there is such a wide range of
situations than can enter into a series, that no betting system can put into their system.

My guesses on each series in the west are:

canucks over l.a.
st. louis over san jose
nashville over detroit
chicago over phoenix

we'll see !!! although I did say phoenix for me is the dark horse, with that goaltending and good coaching, they could do the upset.
 
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I was just checking the odds for each team winning the cup. According to this Pittsburgh has the best crack at it. I disagree.

Odds to win the 2012 Stanley Cup « Vegas Sports Betting

Actually upon checking the math those figures are bullsh*t. Divide by 1.5 to get the right answer.

I'm not sure what crack they were smoking when they gave those odds but whoever it was should try a dose of eality for a minute. How are the Sharks at 8-1 while Detroit is 10-1?
 

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LIVE ON CBC, NBCSN, RDS Radio: 1040 Kings Wed 11/04/2012 7:30 PM Canucks 1 2 3 T


Preview Sedin's status a wild card for Canucks-Kings opener -Kevin Woodley - NHL.com Correspondent

Date Vis/Home Final
26 Mar 2012 LAK@VAN VAN, 1 - 0
17 Jan 2012 LAK@VAN LAK, 3 - 2
31 Dec 2011 VAN@LAK LAK, 4 - 1
10 Nov 2011 VAN@LAK VAN, 3 - 2
KINGS (40-27-15) at CANUCKS (51-22-9)

TV: NBCSN, CBC, RDS, KCOP-13 (HD)

Last 10: Los Angeles 5-2-3; Vancouver 8-1-1

Season Series: The Canucks won the low-scoring regular season series, but much like the margin in all but one of the four games, not by much. In fact, the only separation was the single point Vancouver (2-1-1) got for taking one of the Kings' two victories to a shootout before losing 3-2 on home ice on Jan. 17. The Canucks won the opener by the same score on Nov. 10 with Terry Murray still behind the Kings' bench. Los Angeles won the next meeting 4-1 -- and improved to 4-0-2 under new coach Darryl Sutter on New Year's Eve -- the only lopsided win of a series that ended with a 1-0 Canucks victory at home on March 26.

Big Story: Scoring was at a premium between two teams that managed just 15 goals combined (not counting a shootout) in the regular season series -- eight for Los Angeles, seven for Vancouver, with four of the Kings’ coming in one game. With likely Vezina finalist Jonathan Quick and his NHL-leading 10 shutouts at one end, and a Kings' offense that was also shut out 10 times trying to score at the other end on either Roberto Luongo, who has already been named the Game 1 starter, or backup Cory Schneider, who was one of just four goalies with a better save percentage than Quick, that isn't likely to change in this series.

Certainly no one expects a repeat of their first-round meeting in 2010, when the Canucks won in six games, and the teams combined for a whopping 43 goals.

Team Scope:

Canucks: Leading goal-scorer Daniel Sedin could return from a concussion in time for Game 1. He rejoined the team at practice Monday for the first time since taking an elbow to the head from Chicago defenseman Duncan Keith back on March 21, but wasn't on the ice for Tuesday's practice. He did skate after practice with the extras and other injured players. Vancouver has actually done quite well without Sedin, winning eight of the last nine while getting production out of usual fourth line agitator Maxim Lapierre in his place. But the power play was just 2-for-32 without Sedin before scoring twice in the season finale. That was against the lowly Oilers, and Daniel will be needed against the Kings' fourth-ranked penalty kill.

Kings: Like the Canucks, the Kings are hoping to have a key offensive figure back from injury. Jeff Carter missed the final five games with a bone bruise in his ankle, and at one point was wearing a walking boot. But he too was back on the ice Monday and talking like he would be ready for the start of the playoffs, even if his head coach didn’t sound as certain. What's not in question is his importance since coming to Los Angeles in a blockbuster trade with Columbus and re-uniting with fellow former Flyers forward Mike Richards.

The Kings were dead last in goal scoring before Carter arrived, and while they only moved up one spot to 29th by the end of the season, they averaged more than three goals in the 21 games after his arrival, which would be top-four in the NHL over an entire season. Carter only has six of them, and just nine points overall, but his presence with Richards has balanced out the top-six, and created more room and less checking pressure for Anze Kopitar's top line.

Who's Hot: Alexandre Burrows is heating up at the right time, with a five-game point streak to end the regular season that included four goals -- pushing his total to 28 on the season -- and two assists. Burrows will lose his first-unit power-play time if Daniel Sedin is back for the first game, but should benefit from playing five-on-five again with Daniel and twin brother Henrik on a top line that has been one of the League's best for the last three seasons, especially considering all four of Burrows' recent goals came either shorthanded or at even strength.

Injury Report: Sedin would seem to still be a question mark for the Canucks, while forward Zach Kassian (upper body) practised Tuesday with the full team rather than the spare parts and said he is ready to return for his first career playoff game after missing the last two games with a shoulder injury. Defenseman Keith Ballard (concussion) continues to skate but doesn't expect to play Game 1. Aaron Volpatti, out since shoulder surgery in early December, is also skating but hasn't been cleared to return. … Kings Forward Brad Richardson underwent a surprise appendectomy Monday and won't accompany the team to Vancouver, with no timeline on how long he will be out. Center Andrei Loktionov has been called up from Manchester in the American Hockey League, and will join the Kings in Vancouver. … Carter could be back in the Kings' lineup, while forward Simon Gagne (concussion) hasn't played since late December.

Stat Pack: Getting off to a quick start will be important, both in the series and in each game. The Canucks have won their last eight series-opening games, and the last 10 at home, and won the first two games at Rogers Arena in three of four series during last season's run to Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Final. Both teams also rely heavily on the opening goal: Vancouver only won eight times all season when giving up the opening goal, so it's a good thing they were one of the NHL's most dominant first-period teams, outscoring opponents 81-46. The Kings, who haven't won a playoff round since 2001, only won eight times when they fell behind 1-0, with Columbus the only team to post fewer such victories (six).

Puck Drop: It will be interesting to see whether the Canucks checking unit is matched up against Anze Kopitar's sizzling first line, or Mike Richards' second unit. That may depend on how well Carter looks coming off the injury, but the smart money is on Kopitar's trio with Justin Williams and Dustin Brown. That will put pressure on Kopitar to make sure he also takes care of his own end, which usually isn't a problem, since Vancouver's checkers, anchored by 2007 Stanley Cup winner Samuel Pahlsson, have been getting it done at both ends. Pahlsson scored in the season finale on a nice set up from Jannik Hansen, who has four points in the last four games. And Chris Higgins has five goals in seven games, not bad for a line that goes up against the opposition's best most nights.
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L.A. have a very stingy goalie, and they play a very defensive type game, and if
it was a regular season game, everyone would comment on how boring their style is,
but in playoffs, it would be considered a good 'playoff game', go figure.
They have trouble scoring goals, have had many 1-0 games this season, and that
does put lots of pressure on jonathan quick, as he knows it is 'him' who makes
the difference.

The first goal in these games is crucial, especially for canucks, as this puts l.a. in a position to 'have' to come out of their totally defensive style, which they
don't want to do.
 
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I'm not sure what crack they were smoking when they gave those odds but whoever it was should try a dose of eality for a minute. How are the Sharks at 8-1 while Detroit is 10-1?

Detroit isn't the team they once were, Nashville is the up and coming team and could quite possibly knock them off.
 

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Detroit isn't the team they once were, Nashville is the up and coming team and could quite possibly knock them off.

nashville definitely could do it this season, but i'm not betting the farm on it, or even $1.00.

If nashville do get knocked out in the first round this time, maybe after all this time trotz will
lose his job, as this is the first time they expect to go further, and they want to keep suter and
weber too, so they need to show them that the team is the 'real deal' now, so they will stay and not
walk away as free agents.

but I do think detroit needs to be given lots of respect, with mike babcock at the wheel, and all of
that experience and desire with lidstrom leading the way, they might still have one more left, but
they need helm back, he's important to the team, a great skater.
 

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Very frustrating game. Far too many penalties by canucks, plus a 5 on 3 by kings.

Kings had a dominant line that was just too much for the canucks, canucks didn't have a top line at all.

Kesler is still absent from any offense, he has reversed back into that two way
checking forward he use to be, and has no 'star' power at all.

The canucks need a dominant line, and the players who have to do that are not showing up, and they
haven't been showing up for a long time.
Even when Daniel was playing, that line was not dominant, most of the scoring had to come from other
lines.

The Kings played better, and they deserved the win.

'Luongo' was brilliant, and prevented the kings from taking the lead right from the beginning of the
game.

Hansen had a very good game.

The power play is the same as it has been for some time, has to improve.

If Canucks don't have an answer for what happened tonight, this series will be short.

It must be very frustrating for vineault and his assistants, as they put so much effort, planning and
teaching into this team, and for them to come out in the first game of the playoffs and look like
an unorganized group, that doesn't have a dominant line who can put pressure on the other team, must
be very dissapointing.

I hope they have an answer in the next game.
 
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The Kings deserved the win, even though the refs called a bunch of crap and ruined the game.
 

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The Kings deserved the win, even though the refs called a bunch of crap and ruined the game.

yes, the officiating wasn't good at all, but it was against 'both' teams, as l.a. got penalties they didn't
deserve as well.

and they did miss the interference by kesler on quick, (kesler prevented quick from making the save),which would have cancelled that goal, if that
had of happened to luongo, fans would be screaming right now.

yes, kings deserved the win, canucks did not play well at all.
 

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The Kings deserved the win, even though the refs called a bunch of crap and ruined the game.

I kinda like the offside-by-a-good-3-feet goal they allowed Philly to get last night, that was good officiating.

It's interesting to watch the officials who will disappear after this round, some of them won't make it to the next round of games.
 

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So the riots may be first round this year?

If you know anything about hockey history you will realize that as almost as often as not the winners of a round often lose the first game, which is as often as not won by the underdog, the reason for that being is early resolve, but not enough prolonged stamina! :smile: