My point of view

[Dexter Sinister]

There are some Messianic Jews. Moreover, I have quoted from the Koran repeatedly to show that Muslims acknowledge Jesus as Messiah. As for who is ''chosen'' the Bible indicates that all 12 Hebraic tribes (not just one) are heirs to the Promise made to Abraham. In the New Testament, all Christians are now ''fellowheirs''. Since Muslims acknowledge Jesus as Messiah, they, too, are ''chosen''. I have supplied quotes from the Bible to prove these points in the past. Regardless of one's outlook, all religions deserve the same respect.

No, Muslims do not acknowledge Jesus as Messiah, I've questioned Muslims closely on that. Jesus is only another prophet in the line that began in the Old Testament and ends with Mohammed. I would, however, agree that all religions deserve the same respect, with the additional stipulation that the amount of respect due them is none. Note that I mean the religions themselves, not the people who follow them. Most of the people I know in real life are religious to varying degrees and I don't disrespect them, I just think they're wrong.

 

[gopher]

Hit the search button for my earlier quotes from the Koran which will easily refute your beliefs.

 

[CDNBear]

In the Quran, there are many stories about the life and teachings of Jesus Christ (called 'Isa in Arabic). The Quran recalls his miraculous birth, his teachings, the miracles he performed by God's permission, and his life as a respected prophet of God. The Quran also repeatedly reminds that Jesus was a human prophet sent by God, not part of God Himself.

What does the Quran say about Jesus?

By Huda

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Hit the search button for my earlier quotes from the Koran which will easily refute your beliefs.

No, I don't think I'll bother, you were wrong then and you're wrong now. Muslims view Jesus as the messiah (= leader and deliverer in this context) for the children of Israel, not as the messiah for themselves, to them he's just another prophet and Mohammed's message supersedes his. You're not fully grasping the subtleties of theological argument.

 

[Spade]

"Theological argument is postulation in the dark by the unenlightened." - so sayeth the sooth sayer.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Probably true, but given a set of religious texts it's always possible to argue about what they really mean and how the followers interpret them.

 

[tibear]

For God so love the world, why did he allow the continuous power growth of the vatican and left majority of the people suffer?

Some further explanation is required please. How do you correlate the vatican with the suffering of people?

 

[Spade]

The same way you correlate capitalism with suffering.

 

[tibear]

and how EXACTLY would you correlate the vatican with the suffering of the majority of people?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I think you're misreading it. The OP presents the growth of the Vatican and human suffering as two separate things. The clear implication is that oceandeep feels they're both bad things, but I don't see the claim that there's correlation or causation between them, the objection is simply that they both continue to exist.

 

[gerryh]

For God so love the world, why did he allow the continuous power growth of the vatican and left majority of the people suffer?

I think you're misreading it. The OP presents the growth of the Vatican and human suffering as two separate things. The clear implication is that oceandeep feels they're both bad things, but I don't see the claim that there's correlation or causation between them, the objection is simply that they both continue to exist.

I don't think the op is being misread. Notice the use of the connecting word "and". For me, and obviously others also, the clear implication is a connection. Obviously you made the same connection.

It's not just the Vatican, no religion has ever produced an adequate explanation for human suffering. The simplest explanation is that god is a human invention and has no reality except as an idea. That's my point of view.

If there is no connection being made, then why did you make a definitive connection with this one?

No I'm not, I think it's peddling nonsense in both those roles, some of it quite harmful, like trying to prevent the dissemination of information about modern contraception in the Third World.

how about the troll come back and clarify the statements.

 

[Spade]

Bison and human suffering; what's the correlation? Almost 1. Maybe even 1.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

how about the troll come back and clarify the statements.

How about you learn to read without your usual blinders on.

 

[Cliffy]

For God so love the world, why did he allow the continuous power growth of the vatican and left majority of the people suffer?

I think the OP doesn't correlate the growth of the Vatican with poverty but that God seems to favour the rich while ignoring the poor. I think the definitive word is not AND but LEFT.

 

[Spade]

Ohhh.
If Gawd so loved the world, why did (s)he allow the power of Vatican to grow while (at the same time) leaving ordinary people to suffer?

Answer: Favouritism

 

[talloola]

It's not just the Vatican, no religion has ever produced an adequate explanation for human suffering. The simplest explanation is that god is a human invention and has no reality except as an idea. That's my point of view.

that is the point of view of many my friend, you are not alone.

 

[gerryh]

Ohhh.
If Gawd so loved the world, why did (s)he allow the power of Vatican to grow while (at the same time) leaving ordinary people to suffer?

Answer: Favouritism

Now, see, that is A LOT more clear.

 

[Spade]

Now, see, that is A LOT more clear.

Hope that's sincere, as I am a sensitive clot.

 

[gopher]

For the 30th time, Jesus specifically called Messiah p 65, 66: Koran ~ Rodwell translation, Jones editor - published 1909, reprinted 2003.

 

[Cannuck]

For the 30th time, Jesus specifically called Messiah p 65, 66: Koran ~ Rodwell translation, Jones editor - published 1909, reprinted 2003.

I'm guessing that should put it in Al-i-'Imran. Do you have the verse number?