Chara's Hit on Pacioretty

[Avro]

And I'm sure that Habs emblem has nothing to do with your opinion of the Bruins.

First words I ever taught my son - Habs suck!

A little perspective here.

This viscous, obviously intentional check got a 6 game suspension.

To be honest I've never had a hate on for the Bruins, they have been so generous to the Habs over the years.

he didn't intentionally do it.

Prove it.

You can't, either way.

If Air Canada dumps sponsorship will the Laughs get to re-ice the Shrine?

Perhaps a sewage company will take over.

Instead of the ACC it will be called AS----Absolute Sh*t.

There are very few players in te league that don't finish a check. Pacioretty was doing his own dump-chase and tried to squeeze by one of the biggest players along the boards and in order to stand a chance of getting by, he had to put himself into a vulnerable position.

The timing and location of this event was crappy, but there was no visible attempt by Chara to run Pacioretty into the turn-buckle on purpose.

Yes, you are right to an extent, but I can't prove Chara's intent either way, nor can you, but given the outcome of that hit a suspension of at least two games should have been handed out.

Many people were shocked he didn't get a thing.

The NHL's cavalier response didn't help either.

I wonder if he would have gotten anything had Max been killed.

I'd like the league to take a look at these stancions to see if they can make them safer....or at least say they will.

 

[Skatchie]

Let's get a few things straight.

If the hit took place 4 feet in either direction no one would have got hurt, no penalty would have been called, and we would not have anything to talk about.

Every incident that is reviewed by the league, either on their own or submitted by a team, becomes part of the players permanent record if action is taken or not. Chara has no prior record at all so all the comments about 'goon' and 'dirty' are rendered invalid.

Pacioretty himself has stated it was accidental and he wants no police involvment. .

Pacioretty said he thought it WAS intentional. And there would have been an interference penalty called no matter where, on the ice, he hit the kid because the puck was already chipped by and he had no possession of it, anymore. That's a penalty 7 days a week in any level of hockey with any referee.

And, as I pointed out before, very adeptly I might add, Chara can still say next time that he's never been suspended, and the time after that if next time he gets away scott free with what he's done. Chara is a dirty player. He just got a boarding penalty last night, cross checking somebody from behind. He has been in countless fights, skirmishes and received thousands of penalty minutes in his career in the NHL. Just because the league is biased towards him doesn't mean he's not a goon without a history of violating the rules, he's just never been suspended for it.

everything you said was wrong. It was all factually incorrect and misleading. the bottom line is that he rammed some kid's face into a wall and knocked him the fark out while breaking his god damn neck. he should consider himself lucky that he made it out of the arena without wearing hand cuffs. He should be suspended for the rest of the season and playoffs, minimum and if the NHL had any smart people in their head office they would make an example out of this guy to show they aren't a bunch of neanderthal imbreds like they are looking currently.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Actually the review of this incident will be on his record now and will be considered in future incidents should they go to the league for review.

I think you shoud be suspended from here for the rest of the season and the playoffs so you get a grip on your over-emotional reaction to this topic.

Lashing out with such anger is not good for your health and punishment based upon emotional reaction with no objectivity is never good at all.

 

[Skatchie]

Actually the review of this incident will be on his record now and will be considered in future incidents should they go to the league for review.

I think you shoud be suspended from here for the rest of the season and the playoffs so you get a grip on your over-emotional reaction to this topic.

Lashing out with such anger is not good for your health and punishment based upon emotional reaction with no objectivity is never good at all.

As if it matters if it's on his record. The NHL doesn't suspend Bruins anyways. And it's not an over emotional response, although I do judge people for being unwilling to see the truth, my response is actually perfectly balanced and sensible. People that think it's okay to try to kill somebody, those are the people that aren't objective. just WTF does somebody need to do that could be worse than that, to possibly deserve a harsher penalty?

 

[PoliticalNick]

. just WTF does somebody need to do that could be worse than that, to possibly deserve a harsher penalty?

Lets see...

Bertuzzi on Moore
Lemeiux on Draper
Suter on Karyia - see vid below
Hunter on Turgeon

The list goes on & on. None of this is new.

Of course the best punishment for any of these events was the Redwings beating the **** out of every Colarado player a few months later. I loved the part where Shanahan kept kneeing old Claude Lemieux in the face.

 

[Skatchie]

Lets see...

Bertuzzi on Moore
Lemeiux on Draper
Suter on Karyia - see vid below
Hunter on Turgeon

The list goes on & on. None of this is new.

Of course the best punishment for any of these events was the Redwings beating the **** out of every Colarado player a few months later. I loved the part where Shanahan kept kneeing old Claude Lemieux in the face.

I don't think any of those are worse. Moore's neck was broken when his team mate piled on. Draper had a messed up face but wasn't close to death or paralysis. Suter should have been suspended for the rest of that year as well, but he wasn't. I can see that one but I'd rather take a crosscheck in the mouth than have my head run into the wall. and Hunter was stupid and clearly dirty but not severe or dangerous like what Chara did. either way, what Chara did should be considered on par with those incidents. No suspension is a disgrace to the league.

 

[Cannuck]

Nice try on the "i was a hockey player" argument. So was I...

I doubt it. You were most likely just a guy that played hockey. You obviously have very little understanding of the game.

As if it matters if it's on his record. The NHL doesn't suspend Bruins anyways.

Four Game Suspension for Paille - Boston Bruins - News

When will this silliness end?

 

[PoliticalNick]

Both Bertuzzi and Hunter were attacks away from and after play had stopped. Not a continuation of a play. In fact Hunter gooned Turgeon after the game was over.

Draper and Kariya were both very close to still being fed with a straw today.

At least Lemieux got his deserved punishment, and I don't mean the suspension. Unfortunately anyone who tries to give this treatment to Chara today will face their own suspension. Maybe its time the league revisited the instigator rule and allowed some 'rough justice' back in the NHL. There was so much more respect amongst the players when they had to answer to each other instead of the flaming homo Bettman.

 

[Cannuck]

There was so much more respect amongst the players when they had to answer to each other instead of the flaming homo Bettman.

How dare you smear homosexuals by including Bettman in their group.

 

[Skatchie]

I doubt it. You were most likely just a guy that played hockey. You obviously have very little understanding of the game.
QUOTE]

yeah, such a small understanding because i see an incident different than your dumb a$$. What a ridiculous statement. I guess when the lies you guys tell get dispelled you are left with nothing but this type of crap.

 

[Cannuck]

I guess when the lies you guys tell ....

The lies I tell???? You're the guy that said Bruins don't get suspended. At least I can disprove the idiotic bull**** you post.

 

[Skatchie]

Both Bertuzzi and Hunter were attacks away from and after play had stopped. Not a continuation of a play. In fact Hunter gooned Turgeon after the game was over.

Draper and Kariya were both very close to still being fed with a straw today.

At least Lemieux got his deserved punishment, and I don't mean the suspension. Unfortunately anyone who tries to give this treatment to Chara today will face their own suspension. Maybe its time the league revisited the instigator rule and allowed some 'rough justice' back in the NHL. There was so much more respect amongst the players when they had to answer to each other instead of the flaming homo Bettman.

It doesn't matter how it came about, really, it was intentional (and the victim believes it was intentional, which is all that matters) and it was outside of the rules, and it had dire consequences. bottom line. dirty move, should have cost him his season. unless you take the BS instigator rule out the you have to do your job as a league so this doesn't happen and that means a huge suspension, it's the only thing that can possibly deter this sort of crap, other than a big monkey jumping off the bench and beating chara into bloody pulp.

The lies I tell???? You're the guy that said Bruins don't get suspended. At least I can disprove the idiotic bull**** you post.

Lucic didn't get suspended for his BS. Paille is barely AHL quality so he hadf thre book thrown at him, big deal. You guys say it wasn't intentional and the victim thinks it's no big deal, and that is no true. You guys say it was a hockey play when it was an illegal hit in every way. You guys say Chara is not a goon when he just hit some dude from behind since this happened even. her is also a major pussy, nto that that matters in this, but he is always willing to fight little kids like Pacioretty that are in their low 20;s and 60 lbs lighter than him but he refuses to fight guys in his own weight class, even though they are few and far between. he's a selective tough guy. he beats up bryan mccabe and runs away with tail between his legs when Laraque wanted to fight him a couple years ago. Chicken sh*t coward mother f***er. That's what Chara is.

 

[Cannuck]

It doesn't matter how it came about, really, it was intentional (and the victim believes it was intentional, which is all that matters) and it was blah, blah, blah.....

What the victim believes or doesn't believe is of no consequence. I'm quite sure the NHL didn't even consider asking Peckereety's opinion on the matter...which is the way it should be.

... little kids like Pacioretty ...

I think that is the first thing you've posted on this thread that made sense.

 

[damngrumpy]

I have been a Habs fan since I was 5 years old and that is about sixty years ago. I too
watched the check, and I do not think Chara did it with intent to injure. Yes he gives him
a little shove at the end of finishing a check, it happens every night in the NHL. there is
too many people whining all the time, about how bad the league is, and we should take
fighting, checking and next skating out of the game. If some people had their way our
players would be wearing Arnold Palmer, golf slacks and shooting a smurf ball around.
For God sake people, hockey is tough and the tough get to play. Just today I was down
at the hospital on another matter and a friend of mine had his teen daughter in there she
broke her arm playing hockey. She is sad that the season has ended for her but she will
be back next year.
I question whether the design of the rink is safe, with the way the glass is installed but to
be saying you want these guys are trying to kill each other is nonsense. Much a do about
nothing.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Sixty years as a Habs fan. No wonder you're damngrumpy, you can't show your face anywhere outside montreal.

 

[wulfie68]

Sixty years as a Habs fan. No wonder you're damngrumpy, you can't show your face anywhere outside montreal.

Well, although I don't hold Habs fans in much esteem it could be worse for Damngrumpy: he could have spent the last 60 years as a Maple Laugh fan and be ashamed to step foot outside Hogtown...

 

[Cannuck]

Well, although I don't hold Habs fans in much esteem it could be worse for Damngrumpy: he could have spent the last 60 years as a Maple Laugh fan and be ashamed to step foot outside Hogtown...

I had a bet last year with a local Leaves fan....$10 per point for the 2009-2010 season. He took the Leaves and I took Chicago. Easiest 400 bucks I should have made but the slimy prick left town without paying his debt. Never trust a Leaves fan.

 

[captain morgan]

Yes, you are right to an extent, but I can't prove Chara's intent either way, nor can you, but given the outcome of that hit a suspension of at least two games should have been handed out.

No doubt. The only person that can answer that question is Chara. That said, in terms of the suspension (and assuming that it was not deliberate), a multi game suspension would send a strong message against finishing a check.

I wonder if he would have gotten anything had Max been killed.

Go back a few years to the incident where a goalie had his neck accidentally slashed by a players skate. Should the league have taken a heavy approach in prosecuting the player that was wearing the skate? How about that goalies own team mate that may have contributed to the event?

Bottom line is that this is a high risk sport at the best of times. Injury from falling, getting hit by a puck, contact issues or a skate blade to the throat are very real possibilities.

I'd like the league to take a look at these stancions to see if they can make them safer....or at least say they will.

Agreed! That is a the real solution in this specific instance. Further, if any player is deemed to have intentionally injured another player, then drum the bastard out of the league.. Remember Sammualsen (sp?) that played for the Pens for a lot of years? That guy was a master at "accidentally" going knee-on-knee with any player that had more talent/ability than him... That should not be tolerated in any way, shape or form (that includes Chara if it was deemed his actions were purposeful).

 

[Cannuck]

Bottom line is that this is a high risk sport at the best of times. Injury from falling, getting hit by a puck, contact issues or a skate blade to the throat or very real possibilities.

This incident could easily have been avoided as there has already been discussions about putting the glass all the way around the rink (in front of the players bench). Nobody in hockey wants that because changing on the fly would be more difficult. Ease of changing lines trumps player safety. Is that Chara's fault too?

 

[Avro]

NHL stars Henrik Sedin, Joe Thornton rip into Zdeno Chara decision, Bruins


Canucks captain questions league’s logic, while ex-Boston captain wonders about his former team’s ‘horse shoe’

SAN JOSE — Vancouver Canucks captain Henrik Sedin doesn't understand why the National Hockey League exonerated Boston Bruin Zdeno Chara, but San Jose Shark Joe Thornton has an idea.

“It's just something with Boston; it seems like they have a horse shoe,” Thornton said before Thursday's game between the Canucks and Sharks.


“There's just something about Boston and the disciplinary [decisions] are on their side. I'm not sure why that is or anything. I'm not assuming that Colin's kid being on the team, that's why.”


NHL senior vice-president Colin Campbell's son, Greg, plays for the Bruins.


Campbell's assistant in the NHL justice department, Mike Murphy, ruled Wednesday that Chara would not be suspended for running Montreal Canadien Max Pacioretty into a stanchion by the player benches on Tuesday, causing head and neck injuries.

Thornton noted that only two games earlier, Bruin Milan Lucic was not suspended for a blindside cross-check to the head of Tampa's Dominic Moore, who was engaged with Bruin Nathan Horton after a whistle.


“We saw the Lucic cross-check to the head a couple of nights earlier and there's no disciplinary thing,” Thornton said. “It's just really bizarre.”


Sedin agreed with Thornton that all players know where stanchions are in rinks and understand the danger of hitting or getting hit in that area.


Sedin and Thornton are Hart Trophy winners, two of the best players in the NHL.


Citing Chara's clean disciplinary record, Murphy said the stanchion in Montreal caused Pacioretty's injury, not the Bruin pushing the Canadien towards the partition.


Presumably, then, if one player injures another by running him into a goalpost, the post is at fault?


“Exactly,” Sedin said. “What are you doing to do the next time Trevor Gillies comes down and runs a guy into the thing? You can't give him anything. And you tell the guys [Chara] has no history, so the next time he does it he still has no history because he didn't get suspended. I don't see the reasoning behind it. Give him at least something to show that's not acceptable.”


Sedin said he doesn't believe Chara intended to seriously injure Pacioretty, but it was no accident that the Canadiens player struck the pillar that supports the glass separating the benches.


Thornton said the decision not to suspend Chara reflects even worse on the NHL than the actual hit.


“I'll tell you this: if you say that you don't know where things are around the ice, I think you're not telling the truth,” Sedin said. “You play the game for 20 years, you know it's there. It's gotten to the point, you have to suspend guys if you hit the head. You have to do it even if guys say they didn't mean to do it or it's an accident. You have to start somewhere.

“I don't think players know where the limit is. That's the bottom line.”


Sharks winger Ryane Clowe, a physical power forward, said Chara probably was just trying to recover his position when he “threw” Pacioretty.


“Chara is so big, there's so much mismatch on size,” Clowe said. “I don't know if he knew he was going to throw him that far and have so much impact. I agree you've got to be aware [of the stanchion]. You know it's there. A lot of times you don't see too many hits in that area and I think that's why — most guys kind of let up a little bit.


“Chara has hit so many guys throughout his career and never been suspended, so he's obviously not a dirty player. [But] when someone is injured that severe, whatever the hit is, you expect some kind of punishment. I think you almost need to give some kind of punishment for having a guy injured that severely. I think that's something that maybe should be put in place.”


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