A two-state solution for Canada?

[Omicron]

Quebecers are pigs.

A big coincidence that Quebecers wrote the immigration laws and Quebec has received the least amount of immigrants since. Quebec can dictate that the immigrants must speak French but here in British Columbia we cannot dictate they speak English.

Actually, you *can* and it *is* "dictated" that immigrants must speak English if they're not going to speak French. There's only two official national languages - English and French - so if they want to do business here it has to be one of those two.

My home town in British Columbia is completely unrecognizable and it's hard to find anyone speaking a word of English these days. Whereas, Quebec is still 98% Canadian.

What are they doing, speaking French?

If not French or English they're going to have to learn one of the two sooner or later, because although Federally the government is required to provide services in both languages, Provincially they are not. Provincially the language of BC is English. The only province that is officially bilingual on a provincial level is New Brunswick.

(By the way, did you know you can't get a government job in the state of Main unless you can speak French, plus also for some departments in Vermont?)

Assholes in Montreal and Quebec using "divide and conquer" techniques to destroy Anglo-Canada

Destroy it how?

but are now alarmed that we voted Reform and Conservative;

Anyone with an IQ above that of hamster would be alarmed at the Reform Party (now renamed to the Conservative Party, and having nothing to do with the Progressive Conservative Party of the Joe Clark days) if they were to actually read the party's platform, which is hard to find, because the now-called Conservative but-actually Reform party does everything it can to *not* tell anyone what it's objectives are... ever tried to get an interview with one of Harper's ministers?

en masse, since the 1990s and they have the guts to call us reactionary, racist, Anti-Quebec and every other term that pops into their heads and pretend they don't have a clue why everyone out west hates Quebec!

They forgot to mention vastly under educated and oblivious to how global economics works towards driving down the standard of living to that of a Central American as the Plutocrats skim more and more money towards themselves under the mantra of "free-trade", and how easy it is for Plutocrats in New York to puppet someone like Harper when his constituents are the type to think the Bible was originally written in English.

I don't ever want an Union with Quebec.

If you live in BC you live so far away from Quebec I can't possibly see why you would give a hoot what Quebec wants to do to itself. It's their Province. That's why we have provinces.

Only thing I would ever give Quebec is a 22 megaton nuclear warhead on Quebec City.

*Sigh*, it would only take a 250 kiloton bomb to take out Quebec City.

22 Megatoners are for things like NY or Chicago or LA if you also want to take out their surrounding metro districts and you're not sure of the accuracy of your delivery system.

 

[Durry]

No, I don't think any if the separated provinces would ever join the states.
This would defeat the whole purpose of separating from Canada in the first place.

Any province that separated from Canada would go at it alone or would try to form some sort of alliances with an adjoining province or an adjoining state.

An example that has been talked about before is a country that has AB, BC, Washington state, Yukon and Akaska.
This would be a power hse country !!!

 

[Sparrow]

Really here in the 21st century I would not expect to find people with such backward thinking as some here. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised because when I went to Edmonton about 20 yrs ago I was really floored at what people thought about Quebec. But this road goes both ways because here the ignorance about the west is just as backward.

The first bomb shell was they believed that we were not even allowed to speak English in our own homes?????? Also they could not believe that I, who went to school in the 60's, was educated in English School as well as studying nursing in an English hospital and we do have more than one English hospital, college and university in Quebec.

One of the biggest problem is ignorance. Media has been one big problem because they spin the story depending where they are be watched or read. This has become even more evident since the internet where we get news from one end of Canada to the other. Instead of really learning about each other people believe what they hear and judge.

I am a Canadian from the Province of Quebec and God help the #^% who tells me I am just a Quebecer.

Quebecers complain as much about the West as you do about us. You mention equalization payments to Quebec (we are not the only one who get them) and here they complain about the subsidies to the farmer in the West. We do love to complain!

I have traveled out west many time and often I speak of how different and beautiful the scenery is, well the reaction I get here is I am almost a traitor because our scenery is beautiful. Then I go into my triad of tell people that we have the most beautiful country from one end to the other. There is a drastic difference in the land because we are so big and we cover so much territory but unless you travel the country you really do not realize how BIG we really are.

Have to leave for now but will be back and will continue this evening. I am not finished.

 

[Omicron]

In any case, this whole issue of Quebec separating is silly and stupid and I know enough French Canadians to know they really don't want the hassle any more than anyone else but there's *one* thing that keeps pissing them off and frankly if I was them it would get on my nerves too.

It's that when they are in an English Province, they accept the fact that it's an English province and they try to accommodate, but when Anglos are in Quebec they stomp around like they own the place and expect to be cow-towed to in English, when not everyone in Quebec is bilingual.

In fat, *lots* are not. Lots can only speak French, and they get sick and tired of being treated dumb for not speaking English when, if they visit an English Province, they try their best to adapt and speak whatever English they can wring out of a phrase book.

It's very hard to learn a second language past the age of seven, so you can't just march into Quebec and expect them to pick up English on the spot because you happen to be too lazy to crack a French phrase book.

That pontificating attitude is ignorant and obnoxious, and I don't blame them one bit for feeling annoyed. It's hard to learn a second language if it wasn't given to you as a young child. Drop that attitude and the rest of the bullpucky crap like the BQ will fade away and we'll get back to having real federal politics.

Oh wait a sec... I know someone from BC who's annoyed by non-English speakers coming into his town and not making any attempt to speak the local language...

Hmm.

No, I don't think any if the separated provinces would ever join the states.
This would defeat the whole purpose of separating from Canada in the first place.

Any province that separated from Canada would go at it alone or would try to form some sort of alliances with an adjoining province or an adjoining state.

No they wouldn't. Each province would join the US as a state. The US system is based upon autonomous jurisdictions (states) "linking in", and the jurisdictional structure of a province is ready-made for such an action. They're not going to say no.

An example that has been talked about before is a country that has AB, BC, Washington state, Yukon and Akaska.
This would be a power hse country !!!

You're talking about Cascadia, and it would also include Oregon, northern California, Idaho, Montana and Wyoming.

 

[ironsides]

Ok, I read everything and am puzzled. What did Quebec have to do with anything done in Alberta? As for the assimilation of the French into "American" culture I am not sure that totally happened. We have parts of every culture that were here when we started, to the new immigrants still coming in. Guess you could call it multiculturalism, it did does not always go smoothly but eventually works itself out and we all work together somehow. Back to the French, They had established themselves in Canada and the U.S. long before we were nations, in fact over 100 years before the British conquered them. Jacques Cartier was one of the first to use the word Canadian (kana:ta - Mohawk language) became a word to distinguish the inhabitants of Canada from those of France. Why do they still speak French, because the British allowed them to do so.

 

[Durry]

You're talking about Cascadia, and it would also include Oregon, northern California, Idaho, Montana and Wyoming.

Yep, sounds good to me, let's get at errr !!!

This will make one of the greatest countries in the world.

I'm all for it !!!!

 

[Omicron]

Quebec can never survive without Canada supporting them.

Yes they could.

France has already said that if Quebec seriously wants to separate, then France will subsidize them in exchange for all those juicy resources in northern Quebec.

France also said that if Quebec is truly serious about it, she'd even park one of her nuclear subs within the French territorial waters of Saint Pierre and Michelon within shooting range of French submarine launched missiles, which is why Canada has a little deal with Uncle Sam in that case, because Canada getting hit by a nuke would be as uncomfortable to Uncle Sam as it was for Canadians to see the Twin Towers brought down so close to home.

When I say Canada is supporting them, it really means AB is supporting them. It is the only province with money.
If AB separates, Quebec freezes in the dark!!!

That's what is has to do with Quebec.

How do you feel about oil royalties from AB subsidizing Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Saskatchewan, the northern territories, and since the recession, Ontario?

And you know, it's not really AB subsidizing anything per se... it's Americans willing to send money north for tar extracted from sand because they can't get over their gas-guzzling system of transportation, so it's really the US paying the whole show.

What will you have to say if Americans ever get hip about using solar-rechargeable electric-battery powered transportation for their buzzing to-and-from work and on errands around town?

 

[Durry]

And you know, it's not really AB subsidizing anything per se... it's Americans willing to send money north for tar extracted from sand because they can't get over their gas-guzzling system of transportation, so it's really the US paying the whole show.
n?

It's called a market economy ....dumbo.. It's like saying the Americans are supporting Ontario because the US buys most of the cars....now how dumb is that ???

Since the Americans buy 87% of Canads exports, you probably think the US supports Canada....so dumb.

 

[Omicron]

Yep, sounds good to me, let's get at errr !!!

This will make one of the greatest countries in the world.

I'm all for it !!!!

It's already known by Political Geographers that if civilization as we know it were to collapse and left to reform then that's basically how it would recongeal, so go ahead and push for anarchy and chaos.

In the mean time, the only issue with Quebec is how Anglos will march in presuming everyone is supposed to be bilingual, which is simply not the case if you're outside Montreal.

Only Montreal is loaded up with bilinguals.

The reset of the province speaks French... just French... and it's bloody hard to learn a second language after the age of seven, so stop being so pompous about speaking English when you're on their turf. They don't be pompous about speaking French when they are in an English province.

If you can just suck in your horns and respect that fact, they'll drop the BQ crap and we can get back to having proper federal politics.

 

[Corduroy]

France has already said that if Quebec seriously wants to separate, then France will subsidize them in exchange for all those juicy resources in northern Quebec.

France also said that if Quebec is truly serious about it, she'd even park one of her nuclear subs within the French territorial waters of Saint Pierre and Michelon within shooting range of French submarine launched missiles, which is why Canada has a little deal with Uncle Sam in that case, because Canada getting hit by a nuke would be as uncomfortable to Uncle Sam as it was for Canadians to see the Twin Towers brought down so close to home.

[citation needed]

 

[Durry]

Nobody in the west cares about Quebec.
It is just a boil on the ass of Canada. The only thing we gotta figure out is how do we cut this boil out ??

 

[Omicron]

It's called a market economy ....dumbo..

Actually, it's called a "Consumer Economy" when a location's economy is being propped up by the consumption habits of another.

It's like saying the Americans are supporting Ontario because the US buys most of the cars....now how dumb is that ???

Since the Americans buy 87% of Canads exports, you probably think the US supports Canada....so dumb.

You don't know how the Autopac Treaty works.

The reason Ontario has an automobile industry is because a PM much smarter and more visionary that the one we've got now told the US that the big US automobile manufacturers had to build a car in Canada for everyone sold in Canada, but they could specialize lines on either side of the border such that we'd have to move automobiles back and forth in order for everyone to get the car they wanted.

It's classified as the single most successful trade agreement in history, and it's light years beyond anything the current PM would have had the vision to think of much less implement, because if it was up to Harpo, he would have been making excuses to Canadians, telling them why they should be happy buying US cars made in Mexico.

 

[Johnnny]

Have you checked out Saskatchewan's status lately? Right now it's more progressive in most ways than Alberta.

Thats a roger saskatchewan is a beast and they have a more diversified portfolio than alberta too.

When the oil dries up in Alberta, everyone will be bitching about how the government forgot about them :lol:

Nobody in the west cares about Quebec.
It is just a boil on the ass of Canada. The only thing we gotta figure out is how do we cut this boil out ??

Damn this guy sounds like me when i was harping on Quebec, well now that ive seen how dumb i must have sounded i will watch out for this in the future. But i least i stuck to my points lol, thuis guy is all over the map.

 

[Durry]

The reason Ontario has an automobile industry is because a PM much smarter and more visionary that the one we've got now told the US that the big US automobile manufacturers had to build a car in Canada for everyone sold in Canada, but they could specialize lines on either side of the border such that we'd have to move automobiles back and forth in order for everyone to get the car they wanted.

It's classified as the single most successful trade agreement in history, and it's light years beyond anything the current PM would have had the vision to think of much less implement, because if it was up to Harpo, he would have been making excuses to Canadians, telling them why they should be happy buying US cars made in Mexico.

The only reason your calling it successful is because the US agreed to look after Canada's auto needs.
If the US would have told Canada, we're going to build our own cars in the US and you can chose to buy them or go ahead and build your own fking cars, people like you would be living in poverty today. You guys couldn't build sh^t !!
So now you know who you really have to thank for your prosperity .

You never earned it, you owe it to the Americans, you only rode on there shirt tails...
Your a loser!!!

 

[Corduroy]

Your a loser!!!

This obviously isn't about Quebec or the West anymore is it?

 

[Johnnny]

HAHA this is where durry makes people like me appear smarter +1 for me

Someone hit me with a green rep

 

[Durry]

HAHA this is where durry makes people like me appear smarter +1 for me
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Ha ha ha, and I'm just warming up !!
I'll try to stick to the topic but you gotta try to stop distracting me (ie I hate Liberals !!).

Aside from prairie wheat and foothills beef, what do you think Alberta has to export when the oil's gone?

Errr, you missed the lumber industry, the coal, farming, manufacturing, etc.

In Ontario, what do you have besides Government supported auto industry ?
And in Quebec, besides Government supported Bombard...etc.?

There are NO government supported industries in Alberta.

 

[Johnnny]

I'll try to stick to the topic but you gotta try to stop distracting me (ie I hate Liberals !!).

your powers of mind reading are impeccable. Just because i eat pussy doesnt mean iam one . Im an independent if you want to go there

In Ontario, what do you have besides Government supported auto industry ?
And in Quebec, besides Government supported Bombard...etc.?

A stronger forestry industry and we produce alot of base metals. We also have a diamond mine too which will help. Our mining industry will outlast the oil in Alberta, thats a very real truth.


Take it from me mister, take a step back and calm down.

Cliffy

It seems that short sightedness is a modern plague. The poor chap is a victim of too many ten second sound bites. It causes short term memory loss and ADD.

Can you prove this cliffy? Id like to see your sources... I have a great memory and i have ADD so id like to see some sources. You just dont get ADD

Please tell me cause it seems that pretending to be Dr Phil is a modern day plague also.

 

[Cliffy]

Cliffy

Can you prove this cliffy? Id like to see your sources... I have a great memory and i have ADD so id like to see some sources. You just dont get ADD

Please tell me cause it seems that pretending to be Dr Phil is a modern day plague also.

You don't have to live with labels others have given you. I know what the definitions is. I think the vast majority of diagnosis are bogus. I think most people that supposedly have ADD just have a lower tolerance for drivel and supercilious nonsense. If you were diagnosed in school it was probably that you were smarter than most kids and got bored with the BS you were being fed.

I have a friend who was diagnosed bi-polar and was on some serious drugs. He thought he was nuts. I told him that the only reason he was crazy was that he believed the doctors. He eventually stopped taking his meds only to find out that there was nothing wrong with him, he was just different.

 

[Johnnny]

fair enough cliffster