Still uses petroleum. He could pack it in the Volt and get it at least 45 miles (far less if using the heater so do it in spring and don't use the AC) away.captain morgan said:
Ethical Tar Sands, Give Me A Break
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Again, extreme.
When did I say that?
Gore is a douche.
I see you have done research in nuclear energy and the advances in technology.
Over the 8 years to build a nuke plant how much energy and resoures will be used? How many more sq km of boreal forest would be cleared for open pit mines to run the nukes? How much CO2 venting concrete will be used? How much nickel and copper wil be mined, refined and smelted and used? How much aluminum? How much plastic?
If you're going to ask that question Petros, you might as well ask what is going to happen to all of the spent (rechargeable) batteries that are a byproduct of the hybrid cars.
I understand that you can recycle some of the components to a point, but eventually, you have a lot of nasties left over.
It makes one wonder what will be the ethical position of those people when they figure out they are poisoning the planet.
I understand that you can recycle some of the components to a point, but eventually, you have a lot of nasties left over.
It makes one wonder what will be the ethical position of those people when they figure out they are poisoning the planet.
We could take this even further. The electronics that require certain slicate compunds are mainly found in places where hundreds of thusands have died in gain control of that mud.
You're hitting too close to home Petros... It's all well and good to talk about ethical choices and all, but when you start to point the finger where it ought to be (ie. taking away the toys, luxuries and conveniences), well it's pretty clear that the usual suspects get awfully quiet all of the sudden.
So if I'm not online I'm quiet all of a sudden?
All I want is things to be done cleaner, I think I have done some things in my home, cottage and buisness to do just that.
Sorry if that bothers you.
CO2 is not the only issue that is in play here, do you suffer from asthma? My kids do and so do I, try playing a game of basketball on a smog day.....up north I have no issues with breathing.
There are some interesting issues here about ethics that I would like to explore. Ethics are a
standard thing really. Ethics are the rules that each one of us lives by and collectively they
are the sum total of our society.
There is no farm ethics, or oil ethics, or sports ethics. We are either honest and true to ourselves
or we are not. There is a price in the long run to be paid either way. For example people believe
the concept of "Organic" is working well, well its not working to the benefit of farmers or consumers.
It is working for the benefit of Certifies or the farms and facilities. Most people don't know that it is
based on paperwork, there is little to none being done when it comes to actually doing scientific
field testing or unannounced inspections. The ethics of organic farming are in my mind every bit as
wanting as the Tar Sands projects in their present form.
I am not saying they shouldn't be working to get the natural resource out of the ground, I just believe
they could do it in a manner that doesn't create the destruction it does at present. We see dead
wildlife from time to time, but that can happen as a result of any occupation gone wrong. The fact
is however the current oil tar sands are an environmental disaster. People point to dead birds and
squirrels but that is only a small portion of the problem. The water diversion and contamination is
a huge problem that has to be dealt with. Yes it costs more money and yes it is an ethical question.
In fact it is every bit as bad a conventional agriculture putting artificial fertilizer on the land in which
half of it seeps into water systems like rivers and streams.
The other ethical problem is this, we have a huge resource here and all be it, it is in Alberta. If the
gold and other minerals in Ontario belong to all and the BC Forests benefits belong to all Canadians
then why wouldn't some of the oil belong to all Canadians? Why is it that we allow the major oil
companies to reap the profits? Of course they need to make some but real cost royalties have to
be determined and paid, and in my view the little they pay is not what should be paid and why do these
royalties end up in the hands of governments? If the resource belongs to you and I then we should
get the royalty checks from Canadian resource industries. Crazy? Not really Alaska has done it for
years, even there they are not getting the worth of their resourses. Myself I think if we are not going to
have a direct benefit to Canadians, we should have a national resource price and a world price.
Either we are bound by our sense of ethics or we are not. You can't bend honesty and ethics because
it doesn't fit our mind set, Ethics are the boundaries that surround our sense right and wrong, and
yes they are unchangeable. We can't be sort of honest, or tending toward honesty, we are either
true to ourselves as a country or we are not
standard thing really. Ethics are the rules that each one of us lives by and collectively they
are the sum total of our society.
There is no farm ethics, or oil ethics, or sports ethics. We are either honest and true to ourselves
or we are not. There is a price in the long run to be paid either way. For example people believe
the concept of "Organic" is working well, well its not working to the benefit of farmers or consumers.
It is working for the benefit of Certifies or the farms and facilities. Most people don't know that it is
based on paperwork, there is little to none being done when it comes to actually doing scientific
field testing or unannounced inspections. The ethics of organic farming are in my mind every bit as
wanting as the Tar Sands projects in their present form.
I am not saying they shouldn't be working to get the natural resource out of the ground, I just believe
they could do it in a manner that doesn't create the destruction it does at present. We see dead
wildlife from time to time, but that can happen as a result of any occupation gone wrong. The fact
is however the current oil tar sands are an environmental disaster. People point to dead birds and
squirrels but that is only a small portion of the problem. The water diversion and contamination is
a huge problem that has to be dealt with. Yes it costs more money and yes it is an ethical question.
In fact it is every bit as bad a conventional agriculture putting artificial fertilizer on the land in which
half of it seeps into water systems like rivers and streams.
The other ethical problem is this, we have a huge resource here and all be it, it is in Alberta. If the
gold and other minerals in Ontario belong to all and the BC Forests benefits belong to all Canadians
then why wouldn't some of the oil belong to all Canadians? Why is it that we allow the major oil
companies to reap the profits? Of course they need to make some but real cost royalties have to
be determined and paid, and in my view the little they pay is not what should be paid and why do these
royalties end up in the hands of governments? If the resource belongs to you and I then we should
get the royalty checks from Canadian resource industries. Crazy? Not really Alaska has done it for
years, even there they are not getting the worth of their resourses. Myself I think if we are not going to
have a direct benefit to Canadians, we should have a national resource price and a world price.
Either we are bound by our sense of ethics or we are not. You can't bend honesty and ethics because
it doesn't fit our mind set, Ethics are the boundaries that surround our sense right and wrong, and
yes they are unchangeable. We can't be sort of honest, or tending toward honesty, we are either
true to ourselves as a country or we are not
This is true to some degree, Toyota takes the battery back and every part of the battery, from the precious metals to the plastic, plates, steel case and the wiring, is recycled. They are also spending a fortune in R&D to make them better such as Lithium ion batteries.
Not perfect and likley never will be, but getting better.
Toyota press release.
Wow!! Something that that millions and probably billions of people around the world do is "extreme". I wonder what these folks would say if they were told they were extremists for doing what man has done since leaving the swamp.
Surprised no one has mentioned yet, that douchebag from The Sun who wrote a book about this. He has a very keen sense of ethics - like supporting the death of anyone who question the government.
Yep, next time I go to Montreal I'll just walk....that isn't exteme at all.
My kids school is about half a km from my home....walk them there everyday...that isn't extreme.
But hacking emails of climate scientists is a-okay.
No. What you want is for rich Albertans to subsidize your lifestyle and you think that calling us unethical is going to make us feel guilty and hand you over our cash. Don't hold your breath. We've seen the likes of you before.
You could do like I do and choose not to go to Montreal. Billions of others don't go to Montreal. In fact, one could argue that going to Montreal is extreme (well, maybe if one was to throw around the word extreme)
I don't believe you.
It is if it's done to expose lies.
I quite expected that from you. It's not like you're the first to throw out a label and run. I doubt you will be the last.
.... And?... I saw a kitten stuck in a tree once, are the oil companies complicit in that too?
This will be the last.
I'm placing you on ignore permanently.
Have a good life Cannuck.
Cheers.
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