New political party forming

[altonef]

Just a question. Does the Founding Nations of Canada Party contain the usual racist policies typical of such parties? Oh wait; sorry your first post and link answered that question.

If by "racist" you mean that I don't want to see my race genocided out of existence then yes. If by racist you mean that I want to be some evil killer monster or something like that then no.

Not that I completely disagree with your point, but that is what makes us better then them.

I never said anything about anyone being "better." I simply say that white people have a right to exist just like any one else and just like Koreans, Ugandans, filipinos or any other ethnic group, we have a right to a country of our own.

Ain't that the truth. I'm not white persay, but because I do actually think in similar trends as yourself. I get branded that all the time. Although I lean towards slowing or ending cultural genocide as apposed to skin colours.

I think both culture is valuable and worth preserving. I also think that ethnicity is valuable and worth preserving.

 

[CDNBear]

I never said anything about anyone being "better." I simply say that white people have a right to exist just like any one else and just like Koreans, Ugandans, filipinos or any other ethnic group, we have a right to a country of our own.

My people used to have a country of our own. The "white man" came, took it by hook and/or crook, called it Canada and now they let anyone they want in it.

I think both culture is valuable and worth preserving. I also think that ethnicity is valuable and worth preserving.

But you seem to be attracted to racial purity more then protecting the culture that made Canada great in the first place.

 

[altonef]

gerryh you are right this person is not worth the effort their whole concept of life is based
on fear and hate or justifying their distorted images of life.

Oh yeah any white person who believes their culture and ethnicity is important and worth preserving is some sort of evil, fearful, hate filled monster who has a distorted view of life.

I don't know a single friend of mine, who is not white
that wants to end his culture, or eliminate or threaten the white race.

You are creating a straw man, I have stated very clearly that it is government policies that are genocidal.

I have an adopted daughter who certainly is not white, and i don't want her threatened by
people like this either.

I would appreciate it if you didn't imply that I have threatened anyone.

Can't imagine there is still people like this around, shows we have come very far down the road
of human history.

Yeah it's hard to imagine that after all the brainwashing and indoctrination in the media and school system there are still some white people who value their culture, value their ethnicity, value their nation and don't want to see them destroyed.

 

[CDNBear]

Yeah it's hard to imagine that after all the brainwashing and indoctrination in the media and school system there are still some white people who value their culture, value their ethnicity, value their nation and don't want to see them destroyed.

What exactly is white culture?

Take by force?

Pollute without conscience?

Rape wildlife without forethought?

Drive to work like a madman every morning?

Drink copious amounts of beer until the pain of the inferiority complex is drowned out?

Usurping other cultural affectations as an art form, for art and what have you?

The Big Mac?

Please, enlighten me.

 

[altonef]

What exactly is white culture?

Take by force?

Pollute without conscience?

Rape wildlife without forethought?

Drive to work like a madman every morning?

Drink copious amounts of beer until the pain of the inferiority complex is drowned out?

Usurping other cultural affectations as an art form, for art and what have you?

The Big Mac?

Please, enlighten me.

There is no "white culture" there are lots of white nations and they all have different cultures. Culture includes language, laws, way of life ect...

 

[CDNBear]

There is no "white culture" there are lots of white nations and they all have different cultures. Culture includes language, laws, way of life ect...

So what is it you wish to keep pure?

Language?

Laws?

And what way of life are you referring to?

The heart attack by 45?

Being one of the largest consumers of beer on the planet?

Hockey night in Canada?

1, French and English are enshrined in the Charter.

2, Laws can not conflict with the Charter.

3, We in Canada owe our very way of life to multiculturalism to a very great extent. From the Natives, who assisted in breaching the frontier, the Chinese that built the bulk of the railways that made Confederation possible, to the Italian and Portuguese brick layers that helped build many fine housing developments.

Although one could argue that Portuguese are Caucasian.

You're loosing me. Without defining exactly what is actually at risk, you're loosing your argument.

 

[altonef]

2, Laws can not conflict with the Charter.

Really? tell that to all the people who have been dragged in front of Human Rights Thought Crime Commissions for exercising their "freedom of expression"

3, We in Canada owe our very way of life to multiculturalism to a very great extent. From the Natives, who assisted in breaching the frontier, the Chinese that built the bulk of the railways that made Confederation possible, to the Italian and Portuguese brick layers that helped build many fine housing developments.

Ok, but how does any of this justify genocide? No one is going to Vietnam and saying "oh you know the chinese and french did do and so for you, so we're going to create a blended humanity in only vietnam" no one is going to Saudi Arabia and saying "oh the british and americans did so and so for you so we're going to create a blended humanity in only saudi arabia" only white countries are doing it, only white politicians are supporting it, it's genocide. As for your statement that this somehow make us "better" I fail to see how destroying ourselves is virtuous.

You're loosing me. Without defining exactly what is actually at risk, you're loosing your argument.

What's at risk is English and French Canada, our nations, culture and ethnicity.

 

[CDNBear]

Really? tell that to all the people who have been dragged in front of Human Rights Thought Crime Commissions for exercising their "freedom of expression"

There's no doubts that we have pervasive elements that would exercise extreme measures to prevent free speech. But the word got out, and the thought cops have reigned themselves in.

Ok, but how does any of this justify genocide?

What genocide? Where are the death camps? The trains full of unsuspecting white folk being led to their slaughter?

No one is going to Vietnam and saying "oh you know the chinese and french did do and so for you, so we're going to create a blended humanity in only vietnam" no one is going to Saudi Arabia and saying "oh the british and americans did so and so for you so we're going to create a blended humanity in only saudi arabia"

Because as a people, we created a culture of welcoming and openness, that makes our country better then that.

only white countries are doing it, only white politicians are supporting it, it's genocide.

Again withe the genocide. It takes an extreme leap in logic to even remotely think that that moniker could even be loosely applied here.

As for your statement that this somehow make us "better" I fail to see how destroying ourselves is virtuous.

How are we being destroyed though?

You keep saying it's genocide, we're being destroyed, but other then the HRC's you've given no firm evidence to support your claims.

What's at risk is English and French Canada, our nations, culture and ethnicity.

How though? You keep saying it, without any tangible proof.

As a nation, we should make reasonable accommodation to new citizens. Where the system over steps that and we as a people see accommodation being overly generous, we are still free to speak out about it.

Look at yourself, here you are preaching blindly, without much evidence, and you're still fee.

So where is the genocide, where is the risk, where is the boogieman you see.

I need proof.

 

[altonef]

There's no doubts that we have pervasive elements that would exercise extreme measures to prevent free speech. But the word got out, and the thought cops have reigned themselves in.

What genocide? Where are the death camps? The trains full of unsuspecting white folk being led to their slaughter?

According to the 1948 UN convention on genocide, genocide does not need to be violent or kill anyone read this: Article 2 section c of the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide defines genocide as: deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.

Because as a people, we created a culture of welcoming and openness, that makes our country better then that.

If "welcome and openness" in ALL white countries and ONLY white countries is leading to the destruction of an entire race of people, it is genocide.

Again withe the genocide. It takes an extreme leap in logic to even remotely think that that moniker could even be loosely applied here.

No, it just takes reading the 1948 UN convention on the prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide.

How though? You keep saying it, without any tangible proof.
So where is the genocide, where is the risk, where is the boogieman you see.

I need proof.

Take look at the demographic information for white countries.

 

[CDNBear]

According to the 1948 UN convention on genocide, genocide does not need to be violent or kill anyone read this: Article 2 section c of the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide defines genocide as: deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.

I debate the topic of Israel Alton, I'm well read on the definition of genocide. I was being flippant while waiting to see you prove your case.

If "welcome and openness" in ALL white countries and ONLY white countries is leading to the destruction of an entire race of people, it is genocide.

Ah, so it isn't the culture you're worried about, it's racial purity.

Well my friend, you'll find very little support for that kind of neanderthal opinion in any enlightened place.

All the countries you highlight as places where this doesn't happen, have the same mentality as that, and that's why they're the shyte holes they are. And by shyte holes, I'm most definitely referring to severe lack of freedoms, in areas such as religion, thought and speech.

If you were to get this type of a party that you endorse here, into power, Canada would most definitely become a shyte hole, as we see in said countries.

No thanks.

No, it just takes reading the 1948 UN convention on the prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide. Take look at the demographic information for white countries.

Do you have any idea why those demographics are that way?

Try looking at the "white" community and their birth rates. The selfish nature that has become so ingrained into the "Me Me" generation, makes raising children a burden and a detriment to ones comfy all about the excesses of life, wallet.

Not to mention, the demographics of the US state that the Caucasian make up is roughly 75%. While Canada's is Well over 51%.

That in and of itself is misleading, because many people who immigrate to the west, wish to come here and be like "us". They embrace the culture, the values the country.

So, where's your proof of this cultural genocide. I'm still waiting to see some.

 

[DaSleeper]

Altonef: You must know by now that a forum is not realy a good place to promote a new political party...

Free Dominion...a forum that is as far right wing as they come...thought you might be a plant for the HRC...

You also must know that changing people's minds on anything in a forum is almost impossible..so long drawn out discussions on anything is an exercise in futility.

The best you can ever hope to achieve is someone conceding a point here or there.

I sure would like to meet someone who changed their vote because some unknown poster who could be a twenty year old typing away in his mother's basement, won them over in a forum....that would make my day.

 

[YukonJack]

Sure, a new political party is exactly what we need. Obviously we haven't got enough egotistical blowhard party leaders who haven't got enough sense to realize that their pipe-dreams are in total opposition to the will of the majority of Canadians.

Sure, splinter the vote even more. And when a party gets power with 20% of vote, go and brag to the world about Canadian democracy.

BTW, any and all leaders of a new political party, have three powerful allies: Ignorance, Stupidity and Apathy.

Always worked for the established parties, why not for them?

 

[Ralph B]

only white countries are doing it, only white politicians are supporting it, it's genocide

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Where the "genocide" lies would be in fact in the fundemental blocks of this country!
Removing things such as lords prayor from schools, stripping all areas of any mention of so called religion!
I'm sorry but the ten comandments are/were the fundemental blocks that our laws were based on! But due to ten comandments being from the christian bible then this is religion and it is not to be in our systems (schools, courts, ect...). So then remove the murder charges from those such as the Ottawa killing of the girls who would not follow their rules! Milarky the ten comandments were cast on stone, this is where our principles evolved from and this is our country! and the way it operates! In school the morning prayor and anthem taught a powerfull lesson to all without being fully taken! What I mean by this is many did not rightfully convert or take note on any particular religion! What was in fact taught is to stand up for and respect our freedoms! This is what in fact many a Canadian soldier gave his/her lives for!! If the religious point of prayor should be an issue, perhaps an aligiance to values and freeddoms needs to replace! Where has all this change brought us?? Kids cusing out teachers in scoolyards ect... not strap no real discipline unrulely youth! The bleeding hearts have put the onus on the parents, but hang on they also have the children taught that if they feel threatened by a parents' actions they can report them. So many working parents long hour/drives to provide for families, faced with unrulely kids, little time to parent. As well as many broken homes trying to survive where do they learn respect and dissapline? Parent tries to guide their kids told they will be reported, too many difficulties maintaining a home much ends up lost!
This is the genocide that rears its ugly head! distruction of Canada's fundemental blocks being destroyed all in the name of multiculturism where we cannot offend another! So let the outside rules be brought in to accomadate new comers. While we are at it why not invite kaos so our dimond mines can produce blood diamonds that employers can run slave labour camps! Remove all laws ect.. to invite all and offend noone!

 

[Bar Sinister]

If by "racist" you mean that I don't want to see my race genocided out of existence then yes. If by racist you mean that I want to be some evil killer monster or something like that then no.

I never said anything about anyone being "better." I simply say that white people have a right to exist just like any one else and just like Koreans, Ugandans, filipinos or any other ethnic group, we have a right to a country of our own. I think both culture is valuable and worth preserving. I also think that ethnicity is valuable and worth preserving.

"Genocided?" Is genocide a verb now? Whatever it is I see little evidence that whites in Canada are particularly threatened. There are no extermination camps for whites as yet and I see little chance that there will be any. This seems to be more of the usual racist scaremongering that white supremacists use to justify their confused ideology. Quite frankly I don't give a dam what colour Canadians end up being, we are all part of one race, the human race.

As for your last statement you seem ignorant of the fact that white Europeans have spread their genetic material around the globe. If there is a country in which members of the local population have not been impregnated by Europeans at one time or another I don't know of it. Your reference to Filipinos is a case in point. You realize, of course, that Spain colonized the Philippines and that pureblood Filipinos probably don't exist. In fact very few Filipinos even speak any of the original native languages, most of them having been supplanted by Spanish or English.

 

[mentalfloss]

Meh. I don't really think our french/english cultures - whatever those may be - are seriously at risk. Seems a bit disingenuous to say that the culture is actually tied to the language as well.

Actually, it is plainly false. There are many components of our culture that are synonymous with the cultures of other nations - whether they be European or Eastern.

 

[Ralph B]

Meh. I don't really think our french/english cultures - whatever those may be - are seriously at risk. Seems a bit disingenuous to say that the culture is actually tied to the language as well.

Actually, it is plainly false. There are many components of our culture that are synonymous with the cultures of other nations - whether they be European or Eastern.

Oh ok then, may I please ask why then that Christmas has been altered to become a shopping spree??? Or sorry may offend someone "the holidays" throughout the world europe and north america, every where it has become taboo to mention christ, heck has even been debated to remove in god we trust from americain currancy!! Heck has been alot of rederick to remove the ten commandments from legal athorities. Much of the laws our cultural ways have been based on the ten comandments! Remove the ten comandments remove law!! "Thou shall not kill" is base of murder charges !! These are the laws of our nation and our neighbours! Hope i get this correct I belive that it was seiks that had killed their disobediant daughter and put their car in the ottawa river!! It is also set law for one wife which is being challanged. where when does it end??? Canada is a free country where one can strive to have a good life!! However it is appealing to many as we have a good nature. Change the ways and destroy our image!! Right now as it stands Canadians are welcomed throughout the world. Change our culture we will loose that! Our fundimentials are what many other places envy! We have tolarance for others! Be it those who wish to wear their turbans, shave their heads, and many other aspects, provided you respect your neighbour (fellow Canadians). If you do not like our rules and ways by all means go where you will be castrated for afairs with anothers wife, and many other strick laws. Sorry seiks it is our law not to carry a dagger, for good reason, what you do on your property, in your home is up to you provided it does not break fundimential rules! May folow your cerimonies, as long as they do not entail taking a human life, bringing harm to another, construct weapons, or deal/make illeagal drugs. These are rules not directed at anyone in particular, all Canadians must abide by them! As long as these rules stand I feel safer knowing that our law enforcment forces maintian them. There have been many changes to accomadate many newcomers, This is not right, we are who we are for every small change to accoadate we loose a part of who we are! You may dress and practice you beliefs in a temple, church, mosk, in your homes, in our parks, as long as you do follow our rules. No daggers in public, no killing, beating, raping, no constructing weapons, no illeagal drugs. These are Canadian steadfast laws! We abide by them and so must you!

 

[robbie25]

Oh ok then, may I please ask why then that Christmas has been altered to become a shopping spree??? Or sorry may offend someone "the holidays" throughout the world europe and north america, every where it has become taboo to mention christ, heck has even been debated to remove in god we trust from americain currancy!! Heck has been alot of rederick to remove the ten commandments from legal athorities. Much of the laws our cultural ways have been based on the ten comandments! Remove the ten comandments remove law!! "Thou shall not kill" is base of murder charges !! These are the laws of our nation and our neighbours! Hope i get this correct I belive that it was seiks that had killed their disobediant daughter and put their car in the ottawa river!! It is also set law for one wife which is being challanged. where when does it end??? Canada is a free country where one can strive to have a good life!! However it is appealing to many as we have a good nature. Change the ways and destroy our image!! Right now as it stands Canadians are welcomed throughout the world. Change our culture we will loose that! Our fundimentials are what many other places envy! We have tolarance for others! Be it those who wish to wear their turbans, shave their heads, and many other aspects, provided you respect your neighbour (fellow Canadians). If you do not like our rules and ways by all means go where you will be castrated for afairs with anothers wife, and many other strick laws. Sorry seiks it is our law not to carry a dagger, for good reason, what you do on your property, in your home is up to you provided it does not break fundimential rules! May folow your cerimonies, as long as they do not entail taking a human life, bringing harm to another, construct weapons, or deal/make illeagal drugs. These are rules not directed at anyone in particular, all Canadians must abide by them! As long as these rules stand I feel safer knowing that our law enforcment forces maintian them. There have been many changes to accomadate many newcomers, This is not right, we are who we are for every small change to accoadate we loose a part of who we are! You may dress and practice you beliefs in a temple, church, mosk, in your homes, in our parks, as long as you do follow our rules. No daggers in public, no killing, beating, raping, no constructing weapons, no illeagal drugs. These are Canadian steadfast laws! We abide by them and so must you!

Dude, we' re a secular culture now, and most of us feel that's a good thing.

If you want to practice your religion, you have all the right in the world to do so. But those do not wish too also have the right to send our children to school without being forced to recite the Lord' Prayer.

If your issue is with the seeming special accommodation of minority groups with privileges not afforded others, then yes, I agree you may have a point.

The point is, you don't like that because it's imposing others beliefs onto you, right? Which I agree about....but much of your complaints is about the secularization of our society, which implies you'd generally wish to do the exact thing your complaining about....impose YOUR beliefs onto the rest of us.

For the record, I was one of those Canadian soldiers you mentioned......I fought in Afghanistan in 2007 with The Royal Canadian Regiment. Of the 40 or so soldiers in my platoon, only 35 of us came back. I did it to protect our values and way of life, and I consider that to first and foremost to be freedom. I didn't fight for Sikhs to carry daggers (which I consider 'unreasonable accommodation') and I didn't fight to force others Christianity onto the rest of us.

That's the point of living in a multicultural society. We all have the freedom to do what we want, but none of us (be they Christian, Muslim, Jewish whatever) have the right to impose their beliefs on others..

For the record, people of all religions and ethnicities kill, rape and steal in this country, and they are all dealt with according to the law. I am not aware of any example that Canadian justice has gone easier on people of other cultures because the crimes they commit here may not be crimes back in their homeland.

 

[Ralph B]

Robbie first and formost thank-you for your service to country!
I do not wish to impose chistianity upon others, however as we allow people to practice their beliefs, we do not say they cannot wear turban, or any such rule! But that one cannot wish another a merry christmas as it may offed another!! It is a freedom that many have laid down their lives for! I do not follow all religions, however when I had made a purchas at a convieniance store the clerk was korean and had mentioned a budist following (it was some kind of ritualistic day for them) where he had said have a ____ day. This did not offend me, I actually liked the fact that he wished others well on his day of belief. I do not knock other beleifs, and respect others who maintian their heritage and beleifs. I would be open to hearing more of such cultures. When used to watch relic hunter many faiths had been part of the relic hunts. It is only when religion is used to commit violent acts that I dissagree with! Yes even the christian wars of way back when. But if I wish someone a merry christmas, it is a pleasent greeting, not meant to be offensive. It seems that the meaning has been destroyed. Just to give you a little info I am not a church follower, I believe what I believe and a main part of it is do unto others as thou wish done upon thyself. Yes it is a part of scripture but I do not wish to offend another nor bring harm to another.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Oh ok then, may I please ask why then that Christmas has been altered to become a shopping spree??? Or sorry may offend someone "the holidays" throughout the world europe and north america, every where it has become taboo to mention christ, heck has even been debated to remove in god we trust from americain currancy!! Heck has been alot of rederick to remove the ten commandments from legal athorities. Much of the laws our cultural ways have been based on the ten comandments! Remove the ten comandments remove law!! "Thou shall not kill" is base of murder charges !! These are the laws of our nation and our neighbours! Hope i get this correct I belive that it was seiks that had killed their disobediant daughter and put their car in the ottawa river!! It is also set law for one wife which is being challanged. where when does it end??? Canada is a free country where one can strive to have a good life!! However it is appealing to many as we have a good nature. Change the ways and destroy our image!! Right now as it stands Canadians are welcomed throughout the world. Change our culture we will loose that! Our fundimentials are what many other places envy! We have tolarance for others! Be it those who wish to wear their turbans, shave their heads, and many other aspects, provided you respect your neighbour (fellow Canadians). If you do not like our rules and ways by all means go where you will be castrated for afairs with anothers wife, and many other strick laws. Sorry seiks it is our law not to carry a dagger, for good reason, what you do on your property, in your home is up to you provided it does not break fundimential rules! May folow your cerimonies, as long as they do not entail taking a human life, bringing harm to another, construct weapons, or deal/make illeagal drugs. These are rules not directed at anyone in particular, all Canadians must abide by them! As long as these rules stand I feel safer knowing that our law enforcment forces maintian them. There have been many changes to accomadate many newcomers, This is not right, we are who we are for every small change to accoadate we loose a part of who we are! You may dress and practice you beliefs in a temple, church, mosk, in your homes, in our parks, as long as you do follow our rules. No daggers in public, no killing, beating, raping, no constructing weapons, no illeagal drugs. These are Canadian steadfast laws! We abide by them and so must you!

What does Christmas shopping have to do with French-English culture? Christmas is a borrowed festival and many of its customs have little or nothing to do with Christianity. Also what has Christianity to do with the entire issue? About 30% of Canadians have no religion. And what does most of your rant have to do with immigration? Are you implying that it is immigrants who commit the majority of crime in Canada? If so I think you better check your crime statistics. BTW there is no law in Canada against carrying knives. I carry one all the time; only I don't carry it in plain sight as Sikhs do. And my knife is not ornamental; it actually works as a knife. Also it is white Christians who are most seriously challenging laws against more than one wife, not Muslims.

You might also try using a spell check before posting instead of leaving it to those who read your posts to figure out what some of your words mean.

 

[Trotz]

Your party already exists,
it's called the monarchist league of Canada and good riddance to them!


The principle mistake we made in this country; however politically incorrect to point out, was not deporting the French in Quebec after the battle of Plains of Abraham.
The second mistake was not assimilating the French; no idea how we failed in that regard, considering the Americans had far more Frenchmen living in Lousiania and New Orleans than we had in Quebec.


Two-nation concepts are not sustainable. People will grieve when Canada is dismantled but through Canada's destruction there will be new life, a cultural renaissance, in the former provinces including Ontario. What happens then, whether we orientate ourselves to the United States or back to the Anglo-Sphere, is up for the future I think.