Time To Cut Our Ties To The Commonwealth

dumpthemonarchy

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We're getting sick of the Commonwealth, and its getting sick of us. Britain and its former colonies in Asia and Africa still have an affinity for each other, which is making us just a hanger on. Their relationship is quite deep and complex, we simply cannot comprehend it. Canada has no lingering history of being a great power to the far flung corners of the world, so this game is not for us anymore.

Any money spent on the Commonwealth is money down a rat hole.


The old, grey Commonwealth ain't what it used to be - The Globe and Mail

Doug Saunders

The old, grey Commonwealth ain't what it used to be

Members of the press record Prime Minister Stephen Harper as he delivers his closing remarks at the Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting in Kampala, Uganda, on Nov 25, 2007. The Canadian Press



As the ill-defined organization turns 60, Canada is doing everything it can to distance itself - and the feeling is mutual


Published on Friday, Oct. 16, 2009 6:50PM EDT Last updated on Wednesday, Oct. 21, 2009 11:40PM EDT


I will admit that the last time I paid more than a moment's thought to the Commonwealth of Nations was in the summer of 2005, when I suddenly found a group of excited South Africans hugging me.


I was in Scotland, at a Group of Eight summit, and the news had just been broadcast over the G8 press room's televisions that South Africa would be hosting the 2010 World Cup of soccer.


Once I had de-smothered myself from their jubilant flesh, I felt the need to point out that I was not actually South African. “But you are Canadian,” a large and very happy man answered, and his colleagues nodded. “The Commonwealth! It's a victory for all of us!”


Link: The Commonwealth Conversation


I had never really thought of it that way. In fact, I think it has been a long time since anyone in Canada has thought about the Commonwealth that way. It no longer means anything to us, for a very good reason: It no longer does anything for us.


As the Commonwealth celebrates its 60th birthday in London, the Canadian government is doing everything it can to distance itself from this awkward, enormous, ill-defined organization.


And the feeling is mutual: Within the walls of Marlborough House, the Westminster mansion that is home to the Commonwealth secretariat, there is a great deal of anger and antipathy directed toward Canada, which has strongly resisted the Commonwealth's efforts to reach a climate-change pact among its 50 member nations.


“Canada is really hated by Commonwealth members at the moment,” one insider tells me. “They have all but pulled out of the Commonwealth.”
Even if you don't agree with Ottawa's climate position, it's just as well that we're pulling away from the Commonwealth.


On Monday, Canada will begin free-trade talks with the European Union in a bargaining session in Ottawa. If signed, this integration deal will give Canada open markets and free exchange of goods, capital and government contracts with the 27 member countries. It may also provide free movement of skilled workers.


These are exactly the things the Commonwealth once promised. People of my parents' generation imagine that the Commonwealth offers some sort of benefit in visa or trade privileges. Otherwise, why have it? Surely, at least, it lets us import Marks and Spencer goods without tariffs?
It gives us nothing of the sort.


Today, the 450 million citizens of European Union nations have the right to live in Britain, work there and settle there as full citizens, without so much as filling out a form. Canada, as a Commonwealth member, has tight visa restrictions. And if you're from Nigeria or Sri Lanka, you'll have a hard time even visiting Britain or Canada.


Since 1991, there has been total free trade between the EU nations. But Britain imposes steep tariffs on the exports of all Commonwealth nations, specifically because we're outside that bloc.


Nor has the Commonwealth given us any trade advantages with India, say, or South Africa.


If you want to find the most damning and caustic critic of the Commonwealth, you need to head south from Canada House in Trafalgar Square, to the headquarters of the Royal Commonwealth Society, where a small revolt is brewing.


“I think we need to ask some very hard questions about whether the Commonwealth has any meaning or purpose today,” says Danny Sriskandarajah, director of the RCS, which is the main charity and think tank associated with the Commonwealth.


“It is very much in danger of becoming a relic, and I don't think enough meaningful activity is taking place at the Commonwealth table to convince prime ministers of Canada or Australia that this is a forum worth investing time and money in.”


Mr. Sriskandarajah has broken what is almost a pact of silence around the failure of the Commonwealth. He is a unique figure – the first non-British person to run the Commonwealth Society (he is Australian, of Sri Lankan descent) and the first to have emerged from outside its circle of complacency: He was, previously, a leading figure in the Institute for Public



Policy Research, Britain's main social-democratic think tank.
In the summer, he shocked the secretariat by commissioning a survey of citizens of most member countries that revealed that fewer than a quarter of Canadians can name a single thing the Commonwealth does and two-thirds would support Canada leaving it entirely. Other wealthy Commonwealth countries had similar results.


Rather than lamenting this, he suggested strongly that the Commonwealth might not be worth saving, or will need a complete overhaul if it is.


Given that it is, by definition, both monarchist and colonial, the Commonwealth at one time did a surprisingly good job, for a couple decades, of pretending to be a progressive, liberal, democratic group. That's mainly because things such as the European Union and North American free trade agreement didn't yet exist, and a number of nations, including Canada under Pierre Trudeau, tried to engineer the Commonwealth to fill that role.
Canada even designed a Commonwealth flag, and it introduced its scholarships and its Games. There were pacts, and development funds, and successful efforts to promote democracy.


In its most heroic moment, the Commonwealth's members united against South Africa's apartheid regime, a gesture that had a serious impact and contributed to apartheid's abandonment (which is part of the reason for all that hugging I received).


But today, when more important organizations have eclipsed it, there is a problem: If it changes itself to become “relevant,” ending its cozy but meaningless clubby status, it will become a challenge to the more valuable relationships its members already hold.


If it pushes democracy or rights harder, its poorer members will accuse it, with some reason, of being neo-imperialist. If it pushes on things like climate change, countries such as Canada, rightly or wrongly, will be less happy to stick around.


Any effort to give it a purpose will rip it apart. Sixty years after its creation put an end to the colonial era, it might just be time to say farewell to the post-colonial era, and fold up the flag.
 

jambo101

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So other than having the Queens portrait on our money and having a Governor General How does the monarchy affect this Quebecers life,in fact i'd prefer the irrelevant monarchy than the "i want leave the country" separatists but alas Canada has no spine or gonads to rid itself of either issue .
 

china

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untry" separatists but alas Canada has no spine or gonads to rid itself of either issue
Nobody cares .It would take dedication, commitment , work; terms absent in Canadian dictionary.
 
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jambo101

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Instead of trying to rid ourselves of the monarchy we should first address the issue of a political party (thye Bloc)sitting in Ottawa whos sole purpose is to break up Canada.
 

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I think that Canada should be proud to be a member of a voluntary organisation of common roots and history such as the Commonwealth of Nations. It is a union of independent nations that have become sovereign unto themselves, while continuing to keep an amicable relationship with the shared monarchy — and that is something that makes the sixteen Realms of the Commonwealth unique. I can only hope that at some point the Commonwealth regains some of its momentum as a force for good, and that our own heads of Government start to take the organisation more seriously. In fact, perhaps each head of Government should appoint a minister of the Commonwealth; a group of ministers, representative of each member nation, could come up with innovative ideas to reinvigourate the Commonwealth and make it a truly key global institution.

Beyond the actual purpose or powers of the organisation, is the symbolism of it — for me, our membership in the Commonwealth of Nations is symbolic of the peaceful way in which Canadians fought for, and received, complete and true independence of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Without bloodshed, Canada became its own kingdom, an equal partner to the United Kingdom, and now we are partners and neighbours on the world stage and in the Commonwealth. Canadians should be extremely proud that we have been a peaceful people, even at the very start of our nation’s existence.
 

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The post just above is entirely ignorant of how tough it was for Canada and the empire to have a coordinated imperial policy in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The problem is simply this, empires want blood, treasure and deference, not political input.

The UK is still a class ridden country, a continued legal and formal association with it is detrimental to our future interests. Culturally having links with the UK is fine. But many UK political traditions suck.
 

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The problem is simply this, empires want blood, treasure and deference, not political input.
The UK is still a class ridden country, a continued legal and formal association with it is detrimental to our future interests. Culturally having links with the UK is fine. But many UK political traditions suck.
Do you realloy think the UK wants our blood, treasure and deference?how do you think they will achieve these supposed goals?
I think our legal and formal association with the UK is merely symbolism of the past and in no way affects our future interests.
As for UK political traditions?I live in Canada,i dont care,speaking of which dumpthemonarchy you may want to find another cause to champion as you probably wont find much of a following in your crusade to dump the monarchy as no one cares.
I'm curious as to why its so important an issue to you.
 

FiveParadox

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The post just above is entirely ignorant of how tough it was for Canada and the empire to have a coordinated imperial policy in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The problem is simply this, empires want blood, treasure and deference, not political input.

The UK is still a class ridden country, a continued legal and formal association with it is detrimental to our future interests. Culturally having links with the UK is fine. But many UK political traditions suck.

:lol:

Seriously, you’re going to argue that the Commonwealth wants “blood, treasure and deference”?

The Commonwealth is a voluntary association of nations with common historical ties; that is something that should be preserved, exactly as you’ve mentioned above. We do not have a legal tie or association with the United Kingdom; once again, Her Majesty is The Queen of Canada for our constitutional purposes, and none of Her Majesty’s other roles elsewhere are relevant to the conversation. Your posts and your entire agenda seems to be centred on a personal hatred for the monarch and for Canadian heritage — it’s most unfortunate.
 

dumpthemonarchy

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Do you realloy think the UK wants our blood, treasure and deference?how you think they will achieve these supposed goals?
I think our legal and formal association with the UK is merely symbolism of the past and in no way affects our future interests.
As for UK political traditions?I live in Canada,i dont care,speaking of which dumpthemonarchy you may want to find another cause to champion as you probably wont find much of a following in your crusade to dump the monarchy as no one cares.
I'm curious as to why its so important an issue to you.

You're right, they don't want it really, they ignore us, but some are willing to "ready aye ready." They got our support in the Boer War. Even for WW 1 we were part of it automatically because of the empire, we had no choice but to participate. While in WW 2 we had a choice to join, and fighting Hitler was the right one.

Our political association withe UK matters in govt and to many Canadians. Right now, new recruits to the armed forces take an oath to the queen, not Canada or Canadians. As do all legislators and judges. That's one reason why it's important to to me. Why can't our soldiers, who are paid by Canadians, take an oath to Canada? There ain't no minor points in law.
 

dumpthemonarchy

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:lol:

Seriously, you’re going to argue that the Commonwealth wants “blood, treasure and deference”?

The Commonwealth is a voluntary association of nations with common historical ties; that is something that should be preserved, exactly as you’ve mentioned above. We do not have a legal tie or association with the United Kingdom; once again, Her Majesty is The Queen of Canada for our constitutional purposes, and none of Her Majesty’s other roles elsewhere are relevant to the conversation. Your posts and your entire agenda seems to be centred on a personal hatred for the monarch and for Canadian heritage — it’s most unfortunate.

The commonwealth is not the empire, the cw does not want our blood and treasure, the empire got it though. I don't hate the dated stale monarchy, I just want it dumped from our constitution.

You're saying we have common historical ties with Nauru, India, Malaysia, Singapore and Sierra Leone? Canada does not fit into this crowd at all, and we ought to save the millions we waste on it for social housing, the homeless or paying off the federal debt.