What Are the Consequences of Obama Failing?

[SirJosephPorter]

"YJ, FOX coverage is about as impartial and as fair as that by National Enquirer."

May be so, SirJosephPorter, but at least I am not too cheap to open the family purse, (which , in my case is not loaded by a family doctor) to a diverse opinion.

Any money paid to subscribe to FOX is a waste of money, in my opinion.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Seeing the totally mindless back-and-forth between you and some normal people, I had half a mind never to appear again on these threads of insanity, but you have the knack of bringing out the worst in everyone. So, I am back.

Yukon Jack, so you are giving me the credit for bringing you back to the forum? I am flattered.

 

[YukonJack]

"YJ, FOX coverage is about as impartial and as fair as that by National Enquirer."

You, by your own admission, never listen to FOXNews, so how in the Hell would you know??

 

[YukonJack]

"It was your claim that FOX is unbiased, so I asked the logical, reasonable question, when was the last time it said anything negative about Republicans and anything positive about Democrats. You perfectly well know the answer to that (never, or hardly ever) so you tried to change the subject by intruding CNN into the discussion."

SirJosephPorter, it was your argument that CNN was impartial, uinbiased logical and objective.

I watch CNN. You, by your own proud admission of ignorance, do not watch FOXNews.

So, how does your assessment measure up to mine?

 

[YukonJack]

So, SirRupertJoseph, when was the last time CNN or MSNBC ever gave credit to anything conservative?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

"YJ, FOX coverage is about as impartial and as fair as that by National Enquirer."

You, by your own admission, never listen to FOXNews, so how in the Hell would you know??

One doesn’t have to put one’s hand in fire to know that the hand will be burned YJ. Same way, one doesn’t have to watch FOX to know that it is the mouthpiece of the Republican Party; it has a well established reputation to that effect.

 

[YukonJack]

SirJosephPorter, you still have not proved that FOXNews is not deserving of being WAY NUMBER #1 in viewership.

Because you CAN NOT!!!

 

[SirJosephPorter]

SirJosephPorter, you still have not proved that FOXNews is not deserving of being WAY NUMBER #1 in viewership.

Because you CAN NOT!!!

Yukon Jack, again and again you are demonstrating that you have run out of arguments, you keep changing the subject. I never said that. FOX may be deserving of #1 spot in viewrship, I don’t know. There are millions of far right Republican base voters in USA; I assume the far right base watches FOX.

The issue is not whether FOX deserves to be #1, that never was the issue, don’t keep introducing red herrings. The issue was, does FOX have reputation as a mouthpiece of the Republican Party? The answer is an unequivocal yes.

Wider audience does not necessarily mean that the publication is more reputable, more reliable. National Enquirer has a bigger circulation than New York Times. That doesn’t mean that Enquirer is more reliable than New York Times.

We are discussing whether FOX is an independent news organization, don’t keep confusing the issue. The answer is that it is not.

 

[YukonJack]

RE 1048

No more than anything else here proves that MSNBC or its mother, NBC, is a mouthpiece of the liberal left loney liberal press. Just a fact!!

 

[gopher]

Fox ''fair and impartial''??

HAHAHAHA!!!

 

[gopher]

''His proposed solutions to everything are nothing but hocus pocus.''


CONSUMER CONFIDENCE SOARS
Conference Board: Consumer confidence up in August - Aug. 25, 2009


''A key measure of consumer confidence jumped much more than predicted in August, as the job market outlook and business expectations improved, said a report released Tuesday.
The Conference Board, a New York-based business research group, said Tuesday that its Consumer Confidence Index rose to 54.1 in August from an upwardly-revised 47.4 in July.''





''A Big Gain in July for New-Home Sales ''

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/27/business/economy/27econ.html?_r=2&hp

''Sales of new homes surged nearly 10 percent in July from a month earlier, another indicator that the country’s long-suffering housing market was starting to turn around.''





''Durable goods orders surge 4.9%

Biggest gain in two years beats expectations and is latest indication of nascent recovery.''

Durable goods orders surge 4.9% in July - Aug. 26, 2009


''New orders for long-lasting U.S. manufactured goods recorded their biggest gain in two years in July, buoyed by a surge in aircraft orders, a government report showed Wednesday.
Durable goods orders jumped 4.9%, the largest advance since July 2007, after falling by a revised 1.3% in June, previously reported as a 2.2% drop, the Commerce Department said''



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You were saying????

Where's your hocus pocus, now?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

RE 1048

No more than anything else here proves that MSNBC or its mother, NBC, is a mouthpiece of the liberal left loney liberal press. Just a fact!!

Again you keep confusing the issue. We are discussing FOX, let us settle that first. Agree with me that FOX is the mouthpiece of Republican Party (as it is) and then we could discuss NBC, MSNBC, CNN or whatever your heart desires. But don’t confuse the issue, we are discussing FOX here.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Gopher, unemployment usually lags other indicators. If unemployment starts on a downward path say six months from now, Democrats will go into the 2010 election in very good shape.

 

[Extrafire]

My, my, Extrafire, aren’t we the regular armchair psychoanalyst.

Not really. When you read posts in these forums you get a sense of the poster, a mental image.

I fail to see any humour in personal putdowns. Even if it is a humour (which I question), it is the lowest, most vulgar and crudest form of humour (besides being the easiest). It does not take any imagination to insult somebody.

Reinforcing the image of immaturity.

Quite so. I come back with an insult, then you come back with two, I return with three and before you know it, we are in a flaming match, trying to outdo each other in insults.

No. That might be how immature people do it, not adults.

Really? An Oedipus complex, is it (I assume you know what is an Oedipus complex)? Well, I also claim that my son is in medical school. He just finished his third year and will be finished with medical school (and start his residency) next June. What does that mean? Does that mean that my father is a medical student?

It suggests more effort to build your image in the eyes of the rest of us.

You aren’t stupid

Thank you (I think).

You're welcome. (Really)

Really, you should talk. You are a staunch Republican, you belong to the far right Republican base. You blame Carter (who left office in 1980) for the economic melt down that occurred under Bush’s watch in 2007, conveniently forgetting the 20 years of Republican rule in between. In your zeal to blame a Democrat you give Carter an enormous amount of power, claiming that Reagan ( 8 years), Bush Sr. (4 years) and Bush Jr. (8 years) were powerless to undo what Carter did in four years. And then you have the temerity to accuse me of partisanship? I must admire your Chutzpah.

AS I said earlier, not Republican, only a moderate conservative. I belong to no political party. And as usual, you distort my words into completely different meanings.

Again, I fail to see the humor in personal putdowns.

That's because, no matter what your chronological age is, you're immature.

 

[Extrafire]

Well Extrafire, if we are into psychoanalysis, let me have a go, turnabout is fair play. My guess is that you are a bitter old man, perhaps in 60s or 70s, whom the world has passed by. Canada has become too liberal for you (even with Harper in power) and you look enviously across the border to USA. You would like to go back to the good old days, which you think still exist to some extent in the Bible Belt (Alabama, Mississippi, Texas etc.). You would like to move to USA, but probably cannot afford it (perhaps cannot afford the health insurance there). It is the source of eternal frustration with you that in USA, Democrats can hoodwink people again and again into voting for them, that Bush (one of the best presidents ever, according to you) was unfairly trashed by the press and the Democrats.

You probably were bitterly disappointed when the Alliance, with its policies patterned after the Republican Party in USA, had to morph into a more moderate party. You would very much like Canada to become a smaller, weaker version of USA (since you evidently cannot move to USA). You would like Canada to adopt American political system, heath care system, judicial system etc., and it is the source of frustration with you that majority of Canadians don’t see things your way.

In short, I peg you as an angry, bitter old man.

Well I know that's not your real image of me because most of it contrasts significantly with some of my posts. For instance, I don't consider Bush to be one of the best presidents ever, as can be ascertained by the fact that I have on several occasions called him incompetant as Prez.

You're pretty close on my age though.:lol:

 

[Extrafire]

You have to do what you must, and I have to do what I must. If the personal insults continue, we are done debating.

"If you don't play my way I'm going to take my ball and go home!"

 

[Extrafire]

According to the article, it will cost too much to get the oil from the reserves mentioned. So at current price it is not economical. However when oil prices go up, at some point it will become economical to tap the untouched sources.

The Bakken is producing oil at $16 per barrel.

 

[gopher]

''''His proposed solutions to everything are nothing but hocus pocus.''''


And where is your proof?

 

[Extrafire]

Here are some “consequences” of success:

• Accessible health care for people throughout the United States of America notwithstanding social status;

Nobody really knows what's in that health care bill, including Obama, but from what has come out, it will be rationed health care. Health care is already available to everyone (in varying degrees) but it seems that Obama will make government health care a requirement. Options will be greatly reduced or eliminated.

• Restored principles of justice through the closure of unconstitutional institutions such as Guantanamo Bay;

Near as I can determine there's nothing unconstitutional about it. And you notice that while he could already have closed it, it carries on. It was easy to say he'd close it, quite another thing to figure out what to do with those guys.

• Furthered research and development using embryonic stem cells;

He's already got that one going, although I doubt it will accomplish anything. There's never been a cessation of research using embryonic stem cells, just no government funding. As yet that research has turned up little or no useful findings, while research using adult stem cells has resulted in medical applications that could fill a page.

• Mitigation of the economic downturn through stimulus;

Well that one at least is on topic for this thread. Yup, that one has already occured ( a little bit). Unfortunately as soon as the government money stops flowing the economy will revert to its real status. And then there will be the long term economic dampener of having to pay for all that "stimulus" money.

• Renewed and more positive relationships with Arabic and European countries; and

They'll play him for a naive fool.

• Discontinuation of the armed intervention in the Republic of Iraq.

Which would be a continuation of the Bush plan.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

AS I said earlier, not Republican, only a moderate conservative. I belong to no political party. And as usual, you distort my words into completely different meanings.

Extrafire, I have said it before, you are a Republican in spirit, it doesn’t matter if you actually are a Republican Party member (if you live in Canada, you probably aren’t).

That's because, no matter what your chronological age is, you're immature.

If insulting others, putting down others in order to make oneself feel better is a sign of maturity, I am proud to be immature.