Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election

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Whenever the next election comes, I hope it will be the last one, when the whim of the Prime Minister or the Leader of the Opposition (in case of a minority Government) determines when the election should be held. If politicians of ANY stripe care about representing their constituent (oxymoron in a Parliamentary system, anyways) they would do away with this archaic and insane system and make it a law to have elections at preset intervals.
 

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I don't doubt the $51 billion any more than I doubt the creative math it took to reach that figure. Let's just say to run your household you have 10 envelopes each with money in them.


Hey wait a minute here - there's a catch!... Lemme guess, in order for me to receive an envelope, I have to prove that I run an advertising agency in Quebec and voted liberal, right?
 

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The Harper report is misleading because the infrastructure cheques from Ottawa have not actually gone out yet. Municipalities won't be building much "if the only tool the government is giving" out is a press release.

1,600 mayors and municipal councillors were saying with one voice, 'Where's the money?'"
 

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As far as EI go's,I find it ironic that under Iggys plan we would wind up running a larger deficit so we could put more money into EI to fund its growing ranks,when the Libs allready took money from it to pay down the deficit once.

Go figure.

Yep, Canada can't afford to have the liberals back in power...
 

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Yep, Canada can't afford to have the liberals back in power...


Ye keep the Cons in and Canada will be stuck in financial glue in the TRILLIONS.....
The end result, Harper has been in minority power for the past almost 3 years and we are registering a whapping $50 Billion operating budget deficit and people are losing their retirement savings because there is heavy unemployment. Ye we cannot afford the Liberals, but we can afford the Conservatives who are out to sink the Canadian standard of living. Great IQ.......................
 

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Can't afford either of those bunches of lowlifes.

(I get a kick out of gliberals squawking about someone else adding to the debt when they have their own members that added whopping amounts to it. HYpocrites abound).

Good day LG, easy with the friendly fire, Canada has seen prosperity under the Liberal watch while Canada has taken a beating under the Conservative watch.


The Cons have put the country in the hole while the stimulus packages are given to the ones who do not need it like the banks, while thousands in the manufacturing sectors are dieing by the minute.
 
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Good day LG, easy with the friendly fire, Canada has seen prosperity under the Liberal watch while Canada has taken a beating under the Conservative watch.


The Cons have put the country in the hole while the stimulus packages are given to the ones who do not need it like the banks, while thousands in the manufacturing sectors are dieing by the minute.
I get a kick out of Gliberals that cherry pick info. Remember the early 80s? Yeah, that was some prosperity.
As I said, hypocrites abound. NEITHER PARTY is without its nasty side. Get it?
 

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There cannot be any democracy without partisan politics, without political parties. There are many different Democratic models in the world, can you think of any which is not based upon political parties?

So all city-wide elections in the state of Texas, some Swiss Cantons, Nunavut, the North-West Territories, the municipal government of the city of Toronto, and the Nebraska legislature are not democratic?

Political parties, with their money, resources and organization, can influence the debate nationwide. They have the ability to elect representatives from all the parts of the nation and get things done. Hundreds of independents, acting separately cannot accomplish that, however well intentioned.

Such power to determine the debate sounds non-democratic to me. I'm not a member of any political party, so why should political parties dictate waht's worthy of debate?

It is similar to an army. An army needs an organization, a general, a chain of command. If thousands of soldiers decide to fight independently of each other, they cannot hope to accomplish anything, no matter how brave they may be.

If you're referring to a partisan system, I fully agree. It's a confrontational system by desing. A non-partisan system aims at concensus rather, and so is much more consentual by design and so cannot be so compared to an army, but more like a family disscussing its plans around the dinner table.
 

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I get a kick out of Gliberals that cherry pick info. Remember the early 80s? Yeah, that was some prosperity.
As I said, hypocrites abound. NEITHER PARTY is without its nasty side. Get it?

Since that is the case then let us live the Cons in the helm so they can f Canada forever. Come on LG YOU ARE SMARTER THEN THAT.
 

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I'm smart enough to know that neither party has been all that great for Canada. Liberals are no better than Conservatives; I am smart enough to know that. Apparently you aren't. So go ahead, play partisan politics, I don't really care. The country's just as screwed with one as the other.
 

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I'm smart enough to know that neither party has been all that great for Canada. Liberals are no better than Conservatives; I am smart enough to know that. Apparently you aren't. So go ahead, play partisan politics, I don't really care. The country's just as screwed with one as the other.

And as long as MPs know that their only chance of political survival is in the party, we'll continue to be screwed. What we need are independent candidates who aren't afraid to stand up for their own principles and not get down on their knees for the party all the time.
 

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I'm smart enough to know that neither party has been all that great for Canada. Liberals are no better than Conservatives; I am smart enough to know that. Apparently you aren't. So go ahead, play partisan politics, I don't really care. The country's just as screwed with one as the other.

If the current polls are any indication of the Canadian political mood
I guess I am one of the partisan voters, I am happy with Liberal past results and as we all know all men have their shortcomings. The point here is that the mood of the country is often shaped by the people in the Federal helm, the party and the PM, THIS CURRENT BUNCH ARE TOTAL CLOWNS THEY DON’T MAKE YOU LAUGH THEY MAKE YOU CRY. The liberals may have faults to criticize, but they are people who laugh with happiness not disbelief.


I look at it this way like the old saying, "I like the devil I know vs. the devil who pretends he knows me". So Gliberal and Cons may be one view, but the dutiful part is that we have a choice. The Liberals are coming...................
 

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JLM I don't think you know what Ignatieff's proposed EI changes are. You have not made any secret which party you support and we know it isn't the Liberals. Neither side will call an election until they think they can win a majority. We will know better when we see what the bad news is in Harper's economic progress report. That report might just trigger an election. We know Harper won't call an election, not because he is concerned about the cost of an election, but because he is sure to lose.

Juan

Iggy does not know what he would change – the only thing we have heard was a 360 hr qualification period – What does Iggy plan for the country as PM – Perhaps he should snap out of that serene mode and come up with concrete proposals – vice pie in the sky.

As to a persons political preferences that does not disqualify – Sorry that is the typical Liberal Mantra – If it is Liberal it is good for the country – same was sais about GM and the US -
 

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No. The EI currently has a 51 billion dollar surplus that has built up over twenty five years. During this recession I think we could go a little easier on those needing assistance without hurting ourselves. Why hasn't Harper considered this?

Juan
Chretien and Martin used that along with massive cuts to DND to balance the budget – the 51 billion does not exist.
 

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If the current polls are any indication of the Canadian political mood
I guess I am one of the partisan voters, I am happy with Liberal past results and as we all know all men have their shortcomings. The point here is that the mood of the country is often shaped by the people in the Federal helm, the party and the PM, THIS CURRENT BUNCH ARE TOTAL CLOWNS THEY DON’T MAKE YOU LAUGH THEY MAKE YOU CRY. The liberals may have faults to criticize, but they are people who laugh with happiness not disbelief.


I look at it this way like the old saying, "I like the devil I know vs. the devil who pretends he knows me". So Gliberal and Cons may be one view, but the dutiful part is that we have a choice. The Liberals are coming...................

So this coming federal election, if the Liberal candidate for your riding happens to be the worst of the bunch,you'd vote for him anyway just because of his party affiliation?:-?
 

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Party affiliation is just that, a brand name. Some truly incompetent candidates become MPs simply owing to the brand name they sported.
 

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So this coming federal election, if the Liberal candidate for your riding happens to be the worst of the bunch,you'd vote for him anyway just because of his party affiliation?:-?

Good day Machjo, if the person in my riding is bad, then it is my business to choose another closer candidate to the Liberal beliefs and vision from another party and it will not be from the Conservatives, I will put in an empty ballot in that case.

As I said before the liberals know how to laugh with happiness and the Conservatives make people cry financially or put 14-year-old kids in for life for committing murder, or balloon the operating budget deficit to insane $50 Billion and counting, while few months ago they were very sure that Canada would not operate into deficit zone.
 

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Good day Machjo, if the person in my riding is bad, then it is my business to choose another closer candidate to the Liberal beliefs and vision from another party and it will not be from the Conservatives, I will put in an empty ballot in that case.

As I said before the liberals know how to laugh with happiness and the Conservatives make people cry financially or put 14-year-old kids in for life for committing murder, or balloon the operating budget deficit to insane $50 Billion and counting, while few months ago they were very sure that Canada would not operate into deficit zone.

So what you're saying then is you vote for the candidate, not the party. If that's the case, then what does any party have to do with this debate?
 

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Good day Machjo, if the person in my riding is bad, then it is my business to choose another closer candidate to the Liberal beliefs and vision from another party and it will not be from the Conservatives, I will put in an empty ballot in that case.

As I said before the liberals know how to laugh with happiness and the Conservatives make people cry financially or put 14-year-old kids in for life for committing murder, or balloon the operating budget deficit to insane $50 Billion and counting, while few months ago they were very sure that Canada would not operate into deficit zone.

Socrates

Presently a child under 12 can commit any crime and for the State to step in is nearly impossible – and we know that some, a small percentage of children are deeply disturbed – look around and tell me different

Life sentences – 10 years – left to the Judges – nothing has really changed.

Please refer back a few months when Iggy stated he wanted money flowing out the door – It happened – Now would Iggy have done any different – I think not – Your opinion is?