Obligatory Military service?

[Machjo]

Nice tho , Ideas comming out of the wood work here . One can be considering formulating a proposal.

But carefu. You do realise that we're throgint out some pretty fringe ideas here. As we all know, any idea not already supported by 50% + 1 of the population is a fringe idea after all:lol:

 

[El Barto]

Why would it have to be internal, though? Let's suppose a person joins some organization (not funded by the government, mind you) that sends him off to help a developing country in the world, and he does work as a volunteer for all intents and purposes for a year? Why should we count his service to non-Canadians as less laudable as service to Canadians?

that's too far.
keep it simple, it will cost less.
some of the post in the fringe thread should be copy pasted into this one.
Some great ideas over there

 

[El Barto]

But carefu. You do realise that we're throgint out some pretty fringe ideas here. As we all know, any idea not already supported by 50% + 1 of the population is a fringe idea after all:lol:

yes but if you formulate the Idea with sound logic and logistic it will have a chance to take root. Tho at a needed time when we are in dire need of it. Thats how society works .

 

[Machjo]

I am hearing already the obejections to such a thing in my head .How this sounds so totalitarian in design. That will be a major hurdle. That and people are lazy. Don't bother me attitude .

I think a year of voluntary service with an organization, governmental or not, Canadian or not, of your choice, could be a way of overcoming this hurdle. Another advantage of it is its flexibility and compatibility with other governments. For example, if a person wants to immigrate to Canada, he'd be required to fulfil this obligation too. But if he'd done it already in his own country, and he has proof of it, then we could count that as fulfiling the requirement. If not, then he can go do taht and come back in a year, or volunteer in Canada for a year, as he wishes. But regardless, the requirement would have to be fulfilled. Even if he can't walk, there are secretarial and other polisitions too.

 

[CDNBear]

Why would it have to be internal, though?

Because the premise is to build a stronger nation, by having people work to be part of the social fabric. Immunizing Pygmies in a jungle thousands of miles away, does not.

Let's suppose a person joins some organization (not funded by the government, mind you) that sends him off to help a developing country in the world, and he does work as a volunteer for all intents and purposes for a year?

You know what, I've met some of these people over the years. They always seem to be kind of fringe, lol...;-)

Why should we count his service to non-Canadians as less laudable as service to Canadians?

Answered.

How about GOFURR- Government Operated and Funded unit for Restoration and Rehabillitation?

I like it!!!:lol:

In the end, its still a service to his fellow-man, the whole point of character training.

I will concede it does build character, just not a nationalistic one.

But carefu. You do realise that we're throgint out some pretty fringe ideas here. As we all know, any idea not already supported by 50% + 1 of the population is a fringe idea after all:lol:

:lol:

 

[El Barto]

I think a year of voluntary service with an organization, governmental or not, Canadian or not, of your choice, could be a way of overcoming this hurdle. Another advantage of it is its flexibility and compatibility with other governments. For example, if a person wants to immigrate to Canada, he'd be required to fulfil this obligation too. But if he'd done it already in his own country, and he has proof of it, then we could count that as fulfiling the requirement. If not, then he can go do taht and come back in a year, or volunteer in Canada for a year, as he wishes. But regardless, the requirement would have to be fulfilled. Even if he can't walk, there are secretarial and other polisitions too.

The Idea behind this is getting people off their ass and give back to the community/country. Not the one they came from.

Oh on that note , probation period for immigrants on voting .

 

[Machjo]

I am hearing already the obejections to such a thing in my head .How this sounds so totalitarian in design. That will be a major hurdle. That and people are lazy. Don't bother me attitude .

If you let people give a year of voluntary service with an organization of his choice, that could be a way of countering such objections. Peace corp, military, UNICEF, scouts, plenty of others.

 

[El Barto]

d'oh wrong thread

 

[Machjo]

yes but if you formulate the Idea with sound logic and logistic it will have a chance to take root. Tho at a needed time when we are in dire need of it. Thats how society works .

You mean educate people?How sacriligeous. Brainstorming really ought to be made illegal. Look at all the fringe ideas coming out.

 

[Machjo]

yes but if you formulate the Idea with sound logic and logistic it will have a chance to take root. Tho at a needed time when we are in dire need of it. Thats how society works .

You mean educate the people? How sacriligious! Brainstorming really ought to be made illigal. Look at all the unique ideas coming out. Terrible.

 

[El Barto]

You mean educate people?How sacriligeous. Brainstorming really ought to be made illegal. Look at all the fringe ideas coming out.

Then they will have to legalize pot hahahahaha

 

[CDNBear]

You mean educate people?How sacriligeous. Brainstorming really ought to be made illegal. Look at all the fringe ideas coming out.

And see who's absent...;-)

Wait for it though, I'm sure they will be here soon. Then you will see the real fringe at their best Machjo.

No sharing of ideas, just condemnation, accusations, paranoia and unfounded discontent.

I have to say, with all honesty, that this morning has been a joy to be hold and participate in. Ideas from all sorts of perspectives, communication on level not usual for such a topic. Simply astounding.

And again, I say, look who's absent...;-)

 

[Machjo]

Because the premise is to build a stronger nation, by having people work to be part of the social fabric. Immunizing Pygmies in a jungle thousands of miles away, does not.

You know what, I've met some of these people over the years. They always seem to be kind of fringe, lol...;-)

Answered.

I like it!!!:lol:

I will concede it does build character, just not a nationalistic one.

:lol:

Then we'll have to agree to disagree, seeing that I am an internationalist. However, even if it must be within Canada's borders, as long as there is some flexibility. Let's say a person volunteers to man a UNICEF Card shop in Canada for a year? Would that count?

And as for people volunteering abroad being fringe, oh yes, how terrible. They come up with new ideas.

 

[CDNBear]

Then we'll have to agree to disagree, seeing that I am an internationalist. However, even if it must be within Canada's borders, as long as there is some flexibility. Let's say a person volunteers to man a UNICEF Card shop in Canada for a year? Would that count?

And as for people volunteering abroad being fringe, oh yes, how terrible. They come up with new ideas.

I like disagreeing with you Machjo.

 

[El Barto]

Then we'll have to agree to disagree, seeing that I am an internationalist. However, even if it must be within Canada's borders, as long as there is some flexibility. Let's say a person volunteers to man a UNICEF Card shop in Canada for a year? Would that count?

And as for people volunteering abroad being fringe, oh yes, how terrible. They come up with new ideas.

I say keep it first to with in these borders.
let the internation thing be something else totally.
Before serving others , one has to learn to serve himself.

 

[Machjo]

And see who's absent...;-)

Wait for it though, I'm sure they will be here soon. Then you will see the real fringe at their best Machjo.

No sharing of ideas, just condemnation, accusations, paranoia and unfounded discontent.

I have to say, with all honesty, that this morning has been a joy to be hold and participate in. Ideas from all sorts of perspectives, communication on level not usual for such a topic. Simply astounding.

And again, I say, look who's absent...;-)

Well, just to make it easier for him. I'd challenged him already in the fringe thread to share an idea of his that not necessarily fringe, but that might not be supported by at least 50% + 1 of the population. I'm sure he must have at least one. But somehow that seems to threaten him. Imagine holding a minority opinion. The rest of the flock might be offended. Wouldn't want that now, would we.;-)

 

[El Barto]

And see who's absent...;-)

Wait for it though, I'm sure they will be here soon. Then you will see the real fringe at their best Machjo.

No sharing of ideas, just condemnation, accusations, paranoia and unfounded discontent.

I have to say, with all honesty, that this morning has been a joy to be hold and participate in. Ideas from all sorts of perspectives, communication on level not usual for such a topic. Simply astounding.

And again, I say, look who's absent...;-)

Too bad things don't rool out like it is here. Imagine how productive that would be.

 

[CDNBear]

Well, just to make it easier for him. I'd challenged him already in the fringe thread to share an idea of his that not necessarily fringe, but that might not be supported by at least 50% + 1 of the population. I'm sure he must have at least one. But somehow that seems to threaten him. Imagine holding a minority opinion. The rest of the flock might be offended. Wouldn't want that now, would we.;-)

LOL...

Although sjp is an extremist, he isn't in the crowed of usual suspects I was alluding too, lol

I'ld have to take sjp seriously to put him in that group. :lol: Since he's just a joke. that won't happen any time soon.

 

[CDNBear]

Too bad things don't rool out like it is here. Imagine how productive that would be.

A nice imagination you have there EB, lol...;-)

 

[El Barto]

A nice imagination you have there EB, lol...;-)

yeah , i dream alot