Man dies after Taser shock by police at Vancouver airport

[Socrates the Greek]

This whole thing sucks, a man died, the Airport was ill equipped to insure that this man had some one to guide him to customs speaking his language, on that fact the Air port is 100% AT FAULT. The force is on record not telling the story straight from the beginning, the recording of the armature video tells the truth contradicting seriously officer testimony, while a mother is further insulted by the justice system not bringing charges against all that are involved.

The dispatcher included he was one of the main reasons the 5 officers got there with a hostile attitude being they were told that the man was drunk and throwing chairs across the room. So…………………… a hand full of people guilty in one man's death, a death had all people involved be properly trained for the job that they were assigned to do they would have not killed this man.

The Air port has an indisputable obligation to have 24/7/365 translators on sight. They failed miserably to do this and they also contributed to the man' unnecessary death.
If the video had not surfaced this case would have been over by now with the truth trampled upon by a force that is here to protect the people but instead they choose to protect each other when in fact their life was never in danger in this particular incident.
When justice would be freed from jail??????????????.
Justice is in jail because of self-righteousness.

 

[Ron in Regina]

No charges for RCMP in airport Tasering: Report

This whole thing sucks, a man died, the Airport was ill equipped to insure that this man had some one to guide him to customs speaking his language, on that fact the Air port is 100% AT FAULT. The force is on record not telling the story straight from the beginning, the recording of the armature video tells the truth contradicting seriously officer testimony, while a mother is further insulted by the justice system not bringing charges against all that are involved.

The dispatcher included he was one of the main reasons the 5 officers got there with a hostile attitude being they were told that the man was drunk and throwing chairs across the room. So…………………… a hand full of people guilty in one man's death, a death had all people involved be properly trained for the job that they were assigned to do they would have not killed this man.

The Air port has an indisputable obligation to have 24/7/365 translators on sight. They failed miserably to do this and they also contributed to the man' unnecessary death.
If the video had not surfaced this case would have been over by now with the truth trampled upon by a force that is here to protect the people but instead they choose to protect each other when in fact their life was never in danger in this particular incident.
When justice would be freed from jail??????????????.
Justice is in jail because of self-righteousness.

Good Day to you Socrates!!!! I agree with your post with the
exception of one word. That would be the use of the word "all"
where "any" would have been much more appropriate.

 

[Twila]

The Air port has an indisputable obligation to have 24/7/365 translators on sight. They failed miserably to do this and they also contributed to the man' unnecessary death.

And YVR is suppose to be an INTERNATIONAL airport. Not some small town landing strip.

With the 2010 olympics next year they have better get a grip on this...

 

[Ron in Regina]

No charges for RCMP in airport Tasering: Report

From: RCMP officer at Taser inquiry insists stapler could have been weapon

"I venture to say I don't know where that could have ended, but it could have gone
bad," Rundel told the inquiry into the Polish immigrant’s death.

"There's no doubt in my mind that he took up the combative stance, and he had
every intent to injure, attempt to injure, harm us officers and anybody in the
public."

Don Rosenbloom, a lawyer for the Polish government, suggested to Rundel that the
man wasn't about to run away and didn't pose a real risk to the officers forming a
semi-circle around him.

"Faced with video footage, will you now acknowledge that you and your fellow
officers fell far short of prudent conduct?" asked Rosenbloom.

"After looking at the video, I see the video fully supports my version of the
events ... so my answer to your question is absolutely not," replied Rundel.

The Taser was used five times, and the inquiry heard that the weapon's internal
computer indicated that 50,000 volts coursed through the probes for a total of 31
seconds. However, that records the length of the deployment, not necessarily the
amount of time Dziekanski was shocked.

The Crown announced in December that Rundel, Const. Bill Bentley, Const. Kwesi
Millington and Cpl. Benjamin Robinson would not face criminal charges. However,
the inquiry's commissioner could still make findings of misconduct against the
officers or anyone else involved.
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I umm....I kind'a think it did go bad, didn't it? Somebody died.
That would fall into the category of bad, wouldn't it? 8O

 

[Socrates the Greek]

THE TRUTH WAS TRAMPLED UPON AND THAT IS SELF SERVING.
HAD THE VIDEO NOT BEEN A PART OF THIS INVESTIGATION THE OFFICERS WOULD HAVE SHOVED IT UNDER THE CARPET WERE JUSTICE IS PRESENTLY RESIDING.
Sorry for the yelling with the capitals ks.

 

[JLM]

Any defense for the cops evaporated when the one cop disclosed that the man (not cognizant of English) was tasered for failing to comply with an order uttered in English. That should be the end of this sordid story, the airport and the cops should split the blame 50/50 and share in a $10 million settlement to the mans mother. Is there not a judge around with the balls to make such a simple decision?

 

[Ron in Regina]

No charges for RCMP in airport Tasering: Report

From: globeandmail.com: Training taught officer any object can be a weapon, probe hears

When Mr. Dziekanski brandished the stapler, he was tasered twice, tackled, cuffed
and tasered three more times. The inquiry heard yesterday that Mr. Dziekanski
was tasered for a total of 31 seconds - one six-second burst; a five-second burst; a
five-second burst; a nine-second burst, and a final six-second burst.

If I'm reading this correctly....after Dziekanski was tackled & cuffed,
he was then Tasered three more times totaling another 20 seconds of
50,000 volts, and then he died.

Constable Rundel, noting that police struggled to handcuff Mr. Dziekanski, said he
feared what might have happened had the man fled the area where he was
surrounded by police. "He could have injured, hurt other members of the public. He
was not in a frame of mind that he was thinking rationally," he said. "The amount
of energy I experienced that he had, if he was to use that in any other way on
members of the public, that was a dangerous situation."

Assuming that Taser was working correctly and was only putting out
50,000 volts, the amount of energy that Dziekanski had was 50,000
volts....five times...for thirty-one seconds.

Constable Bentley also said the stapler was a threat, noting Mr. Dziekanski swung it
at officers.

"Do you recall any staples being discharged?" Inquiry counsel Patrick McGowan asked
Constable Bentley.

"No."

The RCMP enter the secure area at 5:00 into the video. The only time
I can see the Victim swing his arms while holding the stapler is while
he is being electrocuted. I could be visually challenged though, so don't
take my word for it. Judge for yourselves...

YouTube - Vancouver Airport Taser/Tazer Killing of Dziekanski by Cops

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Any defense for the cops evaporated when the one cop disclosed that the man (not cognizant of English) was tasered for failing to comply with an order uttered in English. That should be the end of this sordid story, the airport and the cops should split the blame 50/50 and share in a $10 million settlement to the mans mother. Is there not a judge around with the balls to make such a simple decision?

Fair Judgment, the true facts, It IS a BIG DIFFERENCE a MAN DRUNK to a man disorientated with no one whom he can verbally communicate with.

You are right JLM, what ever the force said the man did not understand one single word. Testimony of the video and witnesses explained that when the man saw 5 cops come his way he did not indicate violence, he indicated that he WAS AGGRAVATED OF BAD COMMUNICATION(NO ONE TO TALK TOO) and had reached the point of a nervous brake down, which made him intolerant as well mad and disorientated. The Force should and must pay the claim, as well YVR ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS MAN'S DEATH, and a MOTHERS LOSE OF HER ONLY SON. $10m will not bring her boy back but it will insure care for her later years when in fact had she had her boy then it would have been a better way to get old with some one you love next to you. The people involved in this death should stop and think what would life be if I was wearing the Mothers shoes, I bet they would hurt bad!!!!

 

[Socrates the Greek]

From: globeandmail.com: Training taught officer any object can be a weapon, probe hears

When Mr. Dziekanski brandished the stapler, he was tasered twice, tackled, cuffed
and tasered three more times. The inquiry heard yesterday that Mr. Dziekanski
was tasered for a total of 31 seconds - one six-second burst; a five-second burst; a
five-second burst; a nine-second burst, and a final six-second burst.

If I'm reading this correctly....after Dziekanski was tackled & cuffed,
he was then Tasered three more times totaling another 20 seconds of
50,000 volts, and then he died.

Constable Rundel, noting that police struggled to handcuff Mr. Dziekanski, said he
feared what might have happened had the man fled the area where he was
surrounded by police. "He could have injured, hurt other members of the public. He
was not in a frame of mind that he was thinking rationally," he said. "The amount
of energy I experienced that he had, if he was to use that in any other way on
members of the public, that was a dangerous situation."

Assuming that Taser was working correctly and was only putting out
50,000 volts, the amount of energy that Dziekanski had was 50,000
volts....five times...for thirty-one seconds.

Constable Bentley also said the stapler was a threat, noting Mr. Dziekanski swung it
at officers.

"Do you recall any staples being discharged?" Inquiry counsel Patrick McGowan asked
Constable Bentley.

"No."

The RCMP enter the secure area at 5:00 into the video. The only time
I can see the Victim swing his arms while holding the stapler is while
he is being electrocuted. I could be visually challenged though, so don't
take my word for it. Judge for yourselves...

YouTube - Vancouver Airport Taser/Tazer Killing of Dziekanski by Cops

Good day Ron, bottom lime this man was pushed to be who he became, because he could not understand anyone. All of a sudden your tang is useless and every one around you is looking at you as if you are strange because they do not speak you tang. This man became a monster because he was aggravated not because he had some cyclical problem that made him become a monster, the amount of hours after a long flight this man spend at the air port, should this be repeated having no linguistics assistance at the airports it will happen again. Sure this is the first case of it kind in Canada but it looks bad when one looks at the true anecdotes and sees that many people were and are involved in one man’s death, and that Ron is bad.

 

[L Gilbert]

All in all it was some of the sloppiest work I have seen RCMP perform, I am disgusted with the results of the inquiries, but I am not surprised about the results.
I heard news today of a cop who was caught and blew 2 times the legal alcohol limit and got off. I think judges and the like really really need tuneups.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

All in all it was some of the sloppiest work I have seen RCMP perform, I am disgusted with the results of the inquiries, but I am not surprised about the results.
I heard news today of a cop who was caught and blew 2 times the legal alcohol limit and got off. I think judges and the like really really need tuneups.

good day L Gilbert, removal would be a good start. Incompetent people do incompetent things. I think one of the cops involved in this man’s death has a drunk conviction on a hit and run while impaired where the victim died, is that correct?

 

[Cannuck]

You are talking about three different things: one is situational awareness, threat assessment and appropriate response. That's putting aside their responsibility to the subject (i.e. Dziekanski).

The situation was: subject a in state of exhaustion and confusion in a confined area of the airport.

The threat was: initially, minimal (read: easily resolvable). Only once the officers antagonized Dziekanski did he become "a threat" (i.e. he reacted negatively to being surrounded by four hostile police officers by picking up a stapler).

Appropriate response: rule #1 in a situation like this is, do not antagonize. This means move in very slow, individually, using non-threatening language and tone, and keep communication strict but positive (i.e. create appearance of familiarity without reducing seriousness of situation). If that fails--which it rarely does when followed--then engage in quick tackle, disarm (i.e. take the stapler away from him) and restrain.

You are talking about what should happen. I agree. As I said, the training is inadequate but the officers did as they were trained.

At no point in the above is the situation ever "out of control".

Of course it was. That is why the police were called.

If you had been following all the threads on this topic you would know that I do not believe the police acted properly. I do believe they acted within their training. That is because they did. We need a public inquiry into the training of police officers. I doubt we will get it. It's too convenient to blame the individual officers.

 

[L Gilbert]

good day L Gilbert, removal would be a good start. Incompetent people do incompetent things. I think one of the cops involved in this man’s death has a drunk conviction on a hit and run while impaired where the victim died, is that correct?

I can't remember what all the news article said. But I was more interested in the two-faced treatment of people and keeping my truck on the road to pay much attention to details.

 

[tracy]

And YVR is suppose to be an INTERNATIONAL airport. Not some small town landing strip.

With the 2010 olympics next year they have better get a grip on this...

The thing is they don't even need live translators. I can understand them not having a polish speaker on staff, but any business can pay for access to phone translation services. We have them at the hospital. You call a number and ask for the language you want. Then put the other person on the second receiver and the interpreter will tell them anything you want. The key is, you have to do this before someone gets so agitated they're ready to throw a chair.

 

[L Gilbert]

I don't think the airport people were all that bright if they didn't make an effort at finding a translator of some sort.

 

[JLM]

All in all it was some of the sloppiest work I have seen RCMP perform, I am disgusted with the results of the inquiries, but I am not surprised about the results.
I heard news today of a cop who was caught and blew 2 times the legal alcohol limit and got off. I think judges and the like really really need tuneups.

I'm coming to the conclusion the four cops involved here are a bunch of twits, and it saddens me that this reputation will no doubt carry over to some extent to other policeman who are dedicated and professional in their work. People have to realize that all professions have their share of twits.

 

[L Gilbert]

JLM, yes they do each have their share of twits, but four twits dealing with the same incident? I think Cannuck is right. It is either the training that is lacking or the screening of RCMP applicants that is lacking.

 

[JLM]

JLM, yes they do each have their share of twits, but four twits dealing with the same incident? I think Cannuck is right. It is either the training that is lacking or the screening of RCMP applicants that is lacking.

I think the training is a moot point, but lack of screening may be bang on. How much training does it take for a man to realize that you don't (can't) give commands in a language not understood by the recipient? Perhaps these guys missed a basic IQ test to see if their IQ was above 3 or not.

 

[Cannuck]

It is either the training that is lacking or the screening of RCMP applicants that is lacking.

The training is lacking because the screening is lacking. How else do you train a 100 pound weakling to deal with this? I know that these individuals were not 100 weaklings but the training is geared to the lowest common denominator.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

I'm coming to the conclusion the four cops involved here are a bunch of twits, and it saddens me that this reputation will no doubt carry over to some extent to other policeman who are dedicated and professional in their work. People have to realize that all professions have their share of twits.

Good point JLM, however the good cops are fading out being that policing is a stressful business and often adrenalin starts to rush faster then ever been being that crime has reached a level of unpredictable circumstance thus creating a culture change on the mentality between to days cop vs 20 years ego.
In deed, it is a job where the cop doesn’t know, it is not guaranteed that she or he will go home at night, that must be hard on cop families.

The 5 involved in this incident at the air port have a story that has contradiction when one sees the video.

Bias with in the Force against the out side world is evident in many deferent jurisdictions and countries. We protect our own, fair point......and so it should be.....but not on the expense of fairness and justice.