Celibacy is no longer sacrosanct in Poland

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Celibacy is no longer sacrosanct in Poland

by Thijs Papot
04-02-2009

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More than half of Polish priests say they would like to marry, while more than a third are said to secretly violate their vows of celibacy. Is it realistic to expect Catholic priests to abstain from sex in today's world?

"I was happy as a young priest, but at a certain moment loneliness began to eat away at me," says Jozef Strezynski (58). He found himself facing a dilemma when he met a woman who he felt strongly about. After sixteen years as a priest Strezynski left the church and married.

"I thought about it for four years before making a decision," says Strezynski, who is now father of two children. "I came to the conclusion that it did not make any sense to remain an unhappy priest."

Sexual relationship

Things are different down under: Married Australian Roman Catholic Priest Bill Edebohls and his wife Robyn.
Photo: Joe Armao/theage.com.au
Jozef Strezynski is not the only one who wrestled with the demands of the priesthood. A Polish sociologist who spoke to more than 800 active priests came to the conclusion that nearly 54 percent of them wanted to live with a woman. More than a third admitted having a sexual relationship with a woman and 12 percent said they had a permanent relationship. Wieslaw Dawidowski, an Augustinian priest in Warsaw, is not surprised by the figures.

"I know a lot of former priests who have left the church. I wouldn't be surprised if bishops had relationships as well. It is only human. So let him who is without sin, cast the first stone."

Father Davidovsky says that celibacy can no longer be taken for granted in the Polish Catholic Church. The need for a relationship reflects changes in a society which has grown more free and secular since the fall of communism.

"Being celibate is no picnic. Which is why I always tell young men that they should think it over carefully. They have been raised to believe that being a priest is something beautiful which requires sacrifices. However, nowadays the priesthood isn't that cool anymore."Married life
Sexual abstention by priests is an inseparable aspect of the Catholic teachings. Having a married life could be in the way of the union between the priest or pastor and God. Furthermore, a fear of nepotism and hereditary functions within the church have cited as arguments to introduce and uphold celibacy.
Celibacy is not an original doctrine and was not introduced until the Middle Ages, journalist and church scholar Adam Szostkiewicz emphasises. He is expecting that the falling interest in becoming a priest will make the debate flare up again:
"It is an absurd idea to continue with the celibate for the Catholic church, when even in Poland, possibly the most Catholic country in Europe, seminaries are getting emptier and emptier. I'm not expecting any changes under the current Pope, Benedict XVI, but something will have to change after him."
For the foreseeable future, married priests will remain a taboo within the Polish Catholic Church. by Thijs Papot
04-02-2009

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More than half of Polish priests say they would like to marry, while more than a third are said to secretly violate their vows of celibacy. Is it realistic to expect Catholic priests to abstain from sex in today's world?

"I was happy as a young priest, but at a certain moment loneliness began to eat away at me," says Jozef Strezynski (58). He found himself facing a dilemma when he met a woman who he felt strongly about. After sixteen years as a priest Strezynski left the church and married.

"I thought about it for four years before making a decision," says Strezynski, who is now father of two children. "I came to the conclusion that it did not make any sense to remain an unhappy priest."

Sexual relationship

Things are different down under: Married Australian Roman Catholic Priest Bill Edebohls and his wife Robyn.
Photo: Joe Armao/theage.com.au
Jozef Strezynski is not the only one who wrestled with the demands of the priesthood. A Polish sociologist who spoke to more than 800 active priests came to the conclusion that nearly 54 percent of them wanted to live with a woman. More than a third admitted having a sexual relationship with a woman and 12 percent said they had a permanent relationship. Wieslaw Dawidowski, an Augustinian priest in Warsaw, is not surprised by the figures.

"I know a lot of former priests who have left the church. I wouldn't be surprised if bishops had relationships as well. It is only human. So let him who is without sin, cast the first stone."

Father Davidovsky says that celibacy can no longer be taken for granted in the Polish Catholic Church. The need for a relationship reflects changes in a society which has grown more free and secular since the fall of communism.

"Being celibate is no picnic. Which is why I always tell young men that they should think it over carefully. They have been raised to believe that being a priest is something beautiful which requires sacrifices. However, nowadays the priesthood isn't that cool anymore."Married life
Sexual abstention by priests is an inseparable aspect of the Catholic teachings. Having a married life could be in the way of the union between the priest or pastor and God. Furthermore, a fear of nepotism and hereditary functions within the church have cited as arguments to introduce and uphold celibacy.
Celibacy is not an original doctrine and was not introduced until the Middle Ages, journalist and church scholar Adam Szostkiewicz emphasises. He is expecting that the falling interest in becoming a priest will make the debate flare up again:
"It is an absurd idea to continue with the celibate for the Catholic church, when even in Poland, possibly the most Catholic country in Europe, seminaries are getting emptier and emptier. I'm not expecting any changes under the current Pope, Benedict XVI, but something will have to change after him."
For the foreseeable future, married priests will remain a taboo within the Polish Catholic Church.

Pity....
 

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More than half of Polish priests say they would like to marry, while more than a third are said to secretly violate their vows of celibacy. Is it realistic to expect Catholic priests to abstain from sex in today's world?

China, who told you that Catholic priests abstain from sex? You should know better, after all these scandals of child abuse by Catholic (and other) priests.
 

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Most priests break their vows of celibacy with women or men. Being celibate doesn't turn a person into a pedophile. Pedophiles might break their vows with children, granted, but it's definitely not the most common way it happens like you'd like to imply it is.
 

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Do you why priests are required to be celibate?

It's the Catholic doctorine that priest have no earthly needs and that "God" is the sole satisfier in their life.

I guess Peter (the first pope) being married didn't count

Studies by Catholic scholars, one of which is available on the Vatican website, have argued that, in early Christian practice, married men who became priests—they were often older men, "elders"—were expected to live in complete continence, refraining permanently from sexual relations with their wives.
When at a later stage it was clear that not all did refrain, the Western Church limited ordination to unmarried men and required a commitment to lifelong celibacy, while the Eastern Churches relaxed the rule, so that Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic Churches now require their married clergy to abstain from sexual relations only for a limited period before celebrating the Eucharist.
 

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Most priests break their vows of celibacy with women or men. Being celibate doesn't turn a person into a pedophile. Pedophiles might break their vows with children, granted, but it's definitely not the most common way it happens like you'd like to imply it is.

Most priests break their vows of celibacy with women or men.


source?
 

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I was told that Priests are not allowed to wed because having a family would take too much of their time away from the church. While still stupid and ignorant, it seems to make more sense than the other explanation.
 

karrie

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Most priests break their vows of celibacy with women or men.


source?

I don't have any one source. Gossip amongst the congregations when a priest has broken his vows with a local woman, discussion with sanctus on here about how the main difficulty within the church for breaking celibacy is women of the parish, not children. It just doesn't make the fantastical news to point out that men tend to sleep with women and men more often than with children (look to any human statistic on sexual orientations, it will prove that little tidbit). The article pointed out 1/3 of those interviewed had relations with women.
 

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I don't have any one source. Gossip amongst the congregations when a priest has broken his vows with a local woman, discussion with sanctus on here about how the main difficulty within the church for breaking celibacy is women of the parish, not children. It just doesn't make the fantastical news to point out that men tend to sleep with women and men more often than with children (look to any human statistic on sexual orientations, it will prove that little tidbit). The article pointed out 1/3 of those interviewed had relations with women.

I don't have any one source. Gossip
 

karrie

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I don't have any one source. Gossip

If you'd like to supply a source that shows that priests who break their vows of celibacy do so with children more often than with adults, have fun with it. But sarcastic snipes at my posts do nothing to prove I'm wrong.
 

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I wish to correct a phallusy. Priests are prohibited from marrying in the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church. There are married priests in the Latin Rite, although they would have married prior to ordination. There are rites of the Church (headed by Benny the Pope) for which married priests are common. For example: Coptic, Ethiopian, Maronite, Syriac, Armenian, Albanian, Belarusian, Albanian Greek Catholic Church, Bulgarian Greek Catholic, Byzantine Church of the Eparchy of Križevci, Greek Byzantine Catholic, Hungarian Greek Catholic, Italo-Albanian Catholic, Macedonian Greek Catholic, Melkite Greek Catholic, Romanian Church United with Rome, Russian Catholic, Ruthenian Catholic, Slovak Greek Catholic, and the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church. All united with Rome and considered equal to the Latin Rite.