Mosque near Ground Zero

[YukonJack]

In an attempt that surely will go down as the second most impertinent, disrespectful, cruel, insensitive and despicable attack on America, the Muslims want to erect a mosque near the place of their greatest achivement in history, near the site where they destroyed close to 3000 lives.

You know, Muslims, who forbid a Bible on any Muslim land. You know, Muslims, who will stone any woman to death who dares to look at a man who is not her father or husband. Muslims, whose greatest ambition is to kill all Jews and for good measure, all Christians. We are still waiting as to what their plans are about Buddhists, Mormons or any other "apostates".

Should they be allowed to build this mosque? If yes, WHY and if not WHY NOT?

 

[Machjo]

In an attempt that surely will go down as the second most impertinent, disrespectful, cruel, insensitive and despicable attack on America, the Muslims want to erect a mosque near the place of their greatest achivement in history, near the site where they destroyed close to 3000 lives.

You do realize don't you that:
1. Some Muslims were victims of this attack,
2. Many Muslims reject these acts of terrorism, and
3. to claim that the Muslims who are erecting that mosque are the same ones who were involved in that attack is called defamation in legal jargon, and is illegal, and can bring about civil lawsuits if not worse depending on circumstances, intent, and the damage it may cause.

You know, Muslims, who forbid a Bible on any Muslim land.

Those 'Muslims' who forbid the Bible are ignorant fools when we consider that the Qur'an itself teaches them to read the Bible:

And in the footsteps of the prophets caused we Jesus, the son of Mary,
to follow, confirming the law which was before him: and we gave him the
Evangel with its guidance and light, confirmatory of the preceding Law; a
guidance and warning to those who fear God; -

And that the people of the Evangel may judge according to what God hath
sent down therein. And whoso will not judge by what God hath sent down - such
are the perverse.

And to thee we have sent down the Book of the Koran with truth,
confirmatory of previous Scriptures, and their safeguard. Judge therefore
between them by what God hath sent down, and follow not their desires by
deserting the truth which hath come unto thee. To every one of you have we
given a rule and a beaten track.

(The Qur'an (Rodwell tr), Sura 5 - The Table)



You know, Muslims, who will stone any woman to death who dares to look at a man who is not her father or husband. Muslims, whose greatest ambition is to kill all Jews and for good measure, all Christians. We are still waiting as to what their plans are about Buddhists, Mormons or any other "apostates".

Should they be allowed to build this mosque? If yes, WHY and if not WHY NOT?[/QUOTE]

YES! Because there is no proof that they are the same Muslims who'd launched the attack on 9/11.

Should 'the Christians' (as if they were one monolithic group) be allowed to build a church where an abortion doctor was murdered?

 

[Machjo]

YJ, what you're essentially saying in the OP is that all Christians are guilty of murder if one Christian murders, that the group must always be punished for the actions of the individual.

 

[YukonJack]

Machjo, what I am saying is that planning and attempting to build a mosque anywhere near Ground Zero is equivalent to attempting and trying to build a synagoge or a church in Mecca or Medina. Hell, ANYWHERE in the oh so tolerant, religion of peace, Muslim world.

It is nothing but in your face, disrespectful kick in the crotch of the Nation that - sadly - opened its doors to ungrateful hypocrtites.

 

[gerryh]

As long as they are within the zoning by laws they have every right to build the Mosque. THEY did not cause 9/11. AQ did.

What you are doing here in your small minded ignorance is the equivilant of every Christian being condemned and tarred for the acts of McVeigh.

 

[Machjo]

Machjo, what I am saying is that planning and attempting to build a mosque anywhere near Ground Zero is equivalent to attempting and trying to build a synagoge or a church in Mecca or Medina. Hell, ANYWHERE in the oh so tolerant, religion of peace, Muslim world.

It is nothing but in your face, disrespectful kick in the crotch of the Nation that - sadly - opened its doors to ungrateful hypocrtites.

So all Muslims must pay for what a few have done? So, should we start requiring churches to have security cameras in case some nut case decides to walk into one to put a bullet through an abortion doctor's head? Should we prohibit churches from being built anywhere within a fifty kilometre radius from any abortion clinic just in case its members decide to launch an attack?

Would you be equally offended if a Church were built near or on the site of a former bombed out abortion clinic?

No human ought to be punished for the actions of another human. Simple as that. To punish all Muslims for the actions of others is just plain tyranny. Regardless of what regimes in the Middle East are doing, the Muslims here are not Middle Eastern government officials, have no say in their national policy, and yet you want to crucify them in the name of what exactly? Your religious prejudice shines bright like the mid-day sun.

 

[Machjo]

As long as they are within the zoning by laws they have every right to build the Mosque. THEY did not cause 9/11. AQ did.

What you are doing here in your small minded ignorance is the equivilant of every Christian being condemned and tarred for the acts of McVeigh.

Megawd, are you defending innocence until proven guilty, and not blaming one for the sins of others? How treasonous. We need another crusade! Crusade! Crusade. Rarrrr...

 

[Machjo]

So, YJ, will you be going down and burning crosses on the Mosque's front lawn anytime soon?

 

[YukonJack]

When the imcompetant and out-of-valid-arguments opposition likens me to the KKK, I know that I HAVE WON!

Maybe not bull**itting, but far more satisfyingly, morally.

 

[Icarus27k]

3.7% of the resident population of Manhattan is Muslim.

Source: A Religious City (Gotham Gazette, Feb 2008)

So it kind of makes sense that a mosque would be somewhere in the general area.


As an aside, that percentage surprised me. I thought it would be more than that. The population of Washington DC is like 10% Muslim.

 

[Machjo]

When the imcompetant and out-of-valid-arguments opposition likens me to the KKK, I know that I HAVE WON!

Maybe not bull**itting, but far more satisfyingly, morally.

So how would you define your position if not religiously prejudiced? You're accusing one group (i.e. the Muslims who want to build a Mosque) for another group's (i.e. those who launched the attack on 9/11) crime?

To me that smacks of theocracy, which is comparable to the ideology of the KKK to some degree. I'm not saying it only to insult, but to point out how extreme our position is. You're proposing we suspend due process and convict these people for a crime they have nothing to do with, and paint them and the perpetrators of 9/11 with the same brush.

This is a tactic totally in line with the kind of tactics the KKK would use. It's a fact.

 

[Machjo]

3.7% of the resident population of Manhattan is Muslim.

Source: A Religious City (Gotham Gazette, Feb 2008)

So it kind of makes sense that a mosque would be somewhere in the general area.


As an aside, that percentage surprised me. I thought it would be more than that. The population of Washington DC is like 10% Muslim.

I think his intention is to revoke Muslim freedom of religious expression altogether or even make any association with Islam a crime.

 

[Machjo]

I guess the intent is that unless you're a good little regular-church-going Provo, you're not a real American.

I take this issue close to heart since I'm not a member of Canada's religious majority myself and intend to defend my freedom of religion whatever it is.

By the way, both of my parents are Christian, but I appreciate the fact that so far at least in Canada I've had the freedom to choose my own path. YJ intends to revoke that freedom.

And no, I don't profess Islam either, but that's beside the point. The point is that YJ wants to remove all freedom of belief other than that of the majority group. He's essentially promoting Christian theocracy for Canada, and I want no part in that.

 

[YukonJack]

Machjo, have you ever stopped to listen to yourself? Or read what you wrote before?

Or even more importantly, have you ever paid attention to others?

So, tell me how am I trying to suppress your religious rights in Canada, by pointing out the hypocrisy and in-your-face impertinance of Muslims?

New York IS A VERY BIG CITY. Obviously, you and the jerks who want to add insult to injury do not realize this.

Build your mosque at a respectable distance from Ground Zero. Like Christians and Jews buikld their churches ans synagoges a respectful distance from Muslim Holy sites. Like about a few hundred kilometers.

If Christians and Jews can do it, why can't Muslims?

 

[Machjo]

Machjo, have you ever stopped to listen to yourself? Or read what you wrote before?

Or even more importantly, have you ever paid attention to others?

So, tell me how am I trying to suppress your religious rights in Canada, by pointing out the hypocrisy and in-your-face impertinance of Muslims?

New York IS A VERY BIG CITY. Obviously, you and the jerks who want to add insult to injury do not realize this.

Build your mosque at a respectable distance from Ground Zero. Like Christians and Jews buikld their churches ans synagoges a respectful distance from Muslim Holy sites. Like about a few hundred kilometers.

If Christians and Jews can do it, why can't Muslims?

So if I were a Muslim living and working near the Holy Shrine of Ground Zero, you would expect me to travel one hundred kilometres to not offend some Canadian living in the Yukon?

Or would you even expect me to quit my job and relocate and start my life all over again to not offend some Canadian living in the Yukon?

Clearly if the local authorities are allowing this, the Locals see nothing wrong with this.

And for your information, Mount Carmel and Jerusalem have the Holy Sites of various religions built on top of each other, so clearly you don't have your facts straight.

 

[Machjo]

And just a historical note, YJ. Though today indeed many Muslims have become radicalized, consider that in the past Christians and Jews escaped the persecution of the catholic Church by retreating to Moorish Spain, where all three religious groups lived side by side at peace. Just as Muslims had granted Christians asylum from other Christians, is it not time for us to return the favour to Muslims escaping the fanaticism of the Muslim world?

In Moorish Spain, the Qur'an and the Bible sat side by side in the National Library.

So, do we want to emulate Moorish Spain, or the fanatical states of the Middle East today? I for one would rather emulate Moorish Spain. But if you want to become like the enemy, that's your' choice.

 

[mabudon]

The more posts I read from mr. jack, the more I hope that it is some kind of malicious 'bot and not an actual person.

All's I have to add to this discussion is that a nice gas station would be a good choice for "ground zero"

 

[Said1]

In an attempt that surely will go down as the second most impertinent, disrespectful, cruel, insensitive and despicable attack on America, the Muslims want to erect a mosque near the place of their greatest achivement in history, near the site where they destroyed close to 3000 lives.

You know, Muslims, who forbid a Bible on any Muslim land. You know, Muslims, who will stone any woman to death who dares to look at a man who is not her father or husband. Muslims, whose greatest ambition is to kill all Jews and for good measure, all Christians. We are still waiting as to what their plans are about Buddhists, Mormons or any other "apostates".

Should they be allowed to build this mosque? If yes, WHY and if not WHY NOT?

I think there is a technical glitch with your post - the link to the article highlighting the issue/details seems to be missing.

 

[Machjo]

I think there is a technical glitch with your post - the link to the article highlighting the issue/details seems to be missing.

Even if we take his post at face value, it's still smacks of curtailing freedom of religion and punishing one group for the sins of another.

 

[Machjo]

I created the following poll and thread as a spin off from this:

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/92416-should-canada-revoke-freedom-religion.html