Mosque near Ground Zero

Quote: Originally Posted by Avro

What I said was that if Muslims can be prevented from building a Mosque near a giant hole because of the actions of a few then so should Catholics be prevent for the same.

Quote: Originally Posted by Avro

Nope, the answers are not given as a matter of convenience.

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan

I've answered this already - if that is what the local community wants, then that should be how it is.

You are more interested in employing highly charged references in order to substantiate your position... I notice that you shy-away from acknowledging that any other group (incl. religious) have experienced episodes of child abuse; you rely on isolating one specific group while ignoring the rest.. That's why I've pushed you on this.

It's not the answers i was referring to, it was the ever evolving question(s)

Quote: Originally Posted by Avro

I asked do you think churches should be built near schools and should they be running them?

Quote: Originally Posted by Avro

Your response about the community is moot given the result of the vote by council.

Quote: Originally Posted by Avro

What religious group is widely known to rape young boys and attempt to hide that fact and protect those that do?

Quote: Originally Posted by Avro

Like I said, if that is the argument you can't win.

Quote: Originally Posted by Avro

Every group would be banned from everything....is that what you want?

Quote: Originally Posted by Avro

All relevant, if you can't or won't answer them that's not my problem.

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan

This is not about religion Avro - this is about appropriate behaviour.




In my community, I'd have no problem with a church, a mosque or a synagogue. That said, if my community was in Manhattan at/near the site, then I would have an issue. No different if my community was in Hiroshima, I would have a problem with a site that celebrated nuclear arms across the street from the memorial park from that disaster or if my community was in Palestine, I'd have a problem with a synagogue built on a site that was related to Israeli actions.

So, it looks like my point isn't moot afterall.




It looks like there quite a number of "religious" organizations involved in this sick sh*t.

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Wanna bet? (see above)




Based on your overly broad commentary, that is what would eventually happen.

Quote: Originally Posted by Avro

If it's about appropriate behavior then everything I said about Catholics is true.

Quote: Originally Posted by Avro

You still didn't answer my question about schools....why is this so hard for you?

Quote: Originally Posted by Avro

Let's include all religions then, since they all have a track record with kids. Should they be near schools in any way and if not why?

Quote: Originally Posted by Avro

Freedom of religion is not a factor at all. Or do we pick and choose?

Quote: Originally Posted by Avro

This is about one thing....Muslims.

Quote: Originally Posted by Just the Facts

Are you sure?

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Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington

He wants Sharia law to be optional. Maybe you should ask someone who has read his books, his words, or just read them yourself about how he imagines that happening. Faith based legal agreements are permissible, where they do not interfere with the sovereign laws of the US.

Quote: Originally Posted by Just the Facts

Very much true Ton, but spearheading an effort to allow one's "group", whatever it may be by whatever distinction, to be allowed to follow it's own set of rules notwithstanding the community at large, hardly qualifies one to be assigned the badge of being at the "front of the effort to bridge the gap, to assimilate, not segregate."

Sounds more to me like a "we're different than you and have every intention to remain different than you while having as little to do with you as possible."

You know...."outreach".

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington

Mind the gap, JTF.

Quote: Originally Posted by Just the Facts

Well, I hope you're right. I really really do. I want to be wrong about this. Unfortunately, what I read in your link looks like some pretty classic taqqiya. But I'm all for giving peace a chance.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina

How many participating in this Thread haven't been called a Bigot at least
once (doesn't seem to matter which side of the debate they're on) so far in
the last fifteen pages? Not many it would seem, completely negating the
impact that term might have had before reading through this Thread.

I've skimmed through this Thread, and if someone notices that a Post has
been edited, that means that something in it contributed to the Thread so
that an effort was made to remove any personal attacks or Trolling or
quotes of such nonsense. If a Post is missing, it would be becouse it
didn't meet the criteria above.

I don't even pretend to catch everything, but here I've caught much of it.

Yes, this (like many other Threads here on this Forum) is one on a
controversial topic. I get it. Can you all participate without further personal
attacks and name calling and insinuations about other members intelligence
or lack there of? It would be much appreciated.

Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJack

In an attempt that surely will go down as the second most impertinent, disrespectful, cruel, insensitive and despicable attack on America, the Muslims want to erect a mosque near the place of their greatest achivement in history, near the site where they destroyed close to 3000 lives.

You know, Muslims, who forbid a Bible on any Muslim land. You know, Muslims, who will stone any woman to death who dares to look at a man who is not her father or husband. Muslims, whose greatest ambition is to kill all Jews and for good measure, all Christians. We are still waiting as to what their plans are about Buddhists, Mormons or any other "apostates".

Should they be allowed to build this mosque? If yes, WHY and if not WHY NOT?

Quote: Originally Posted by Johnny Utah

It can't be any worse than vendors selling WTC memorabilia near ground zero..

Quote: Originally Posted by Avro

This is about one thing....Muslims.

Any other group, religious or not, wouldn't make a headline at the back of free newpapers next to porn ads.

Quote: Originally Posted by barney

Yes I think that once you get past all the rhetoric, that's basically it; Islam is the present boogyman of choice.

Any legitimate thing or act associated with it gets blown out of proportion and implicitly degraded to the level of Jihadists--like the Catholic Church being degraded to the level of the KKK.

Until the Middle East ceases to be a focal point of US attention--not likely to happen any time soon--this will continue to be the case.