The U.S. Militia a terrorist organization?


theconqueror
#1
Most if not all countries have Militia's including the popular Al Qaida, and the Taliban which are the equivalent to America's Militia which operate on behalf of the nation.

For example:

The U.S. Militia is devoted to the protection of the U.S. Constitution and protection of U.S. Sovereignty against all threats foreign and local.

Terrorists being the topic of national defense, are members of the U.S. Militia perceived as the American terrorists considering they opperate identical to the individual ways like most countries, including Afghanistan and the Middle East like Al Qaida and the Taliban does?

The answer is Yes! There is no difference, but we just do not perceive our local Militia's that way as they are an important backbone to our society and national defense as an emergency to local and foreign powers.

So why do we not incriminate our local Militia's as terrorist groups?
 
theconqueror
#2
Reason why I am asking is because as a Canadian Mercenary to the U.S. Militia I have no idea what my legal status is in accordence to law.

I know my job though...
 
Socrates the Greek
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by theconquerorView Post

Most if not all countries have Militia's including the popular Al Qaida, and the Taliban which are the equivalent to America's Militia which operate on behalf of the nation.

For example:

The U.S. Militia is devoted to the protection of the U.S. Constitution and protection of U.S. Sovereignty against all threats foreign and local.

Terrorists being the topic of national defense, are members of the U.S. Militia perceived as the American terrorists considering they opperate identical to the individual ways like most countries, including Afghanistan and the Middle East like Al Qaida and the Taliban does?

The answer is Yes! There is no difference, but we just do not perceive our local Militia's that way as they are an important backbone to our society and national defense as an emergency to local and foreign powers.

So why do we not incriminate our local Militia's as terrorist groups?

I suppose they have to commit serious assaults like Timothy McVeigh to react.

Timothy McVeigh (external - login to view)
 
theconqueror
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by Socrates the GreekView Post

I suppose they have to commit serious assaults like Timothy McVeigh to react.

Timothy McVeigh (external - login to view)


Timothy McVeigh was never in the U.S. Militia. I'm talking about the real U.S. Militia and not some yahoo shopper that knows how to make C4 out of Color Your World paint store.
 
Socrates the Greek
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by theconquerorView Post

Timothy McVeigh was never in the U.S. Militia. I'm talking about the real U.S. Militia and not some yahoo shopper that knows how to make C4 out of Paint Your World paint store.

Well, the destruction of the Oklahoma building was not a paint your world operation, it was well thought and tragically affective. At the end executing T McVeigh proves how real the threat is. I am not sure how we can call the Oklahoma tragedy, not the work of a militia against the Government.
 
theconqueror
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Socrates the GreekView Post

Well, the destruction of the Oklahoma building was not a paint your world operation, it was well thought and tragically affective. At the end executing T McVeigh proves how real the threat is. I am not sure how we can call the Oklahoma tragedy, not the work of a militia against the Government.


I agree..That was NOT the Militia...

YouTube - Oath Keepers Declaration of Orders We Will NOT Obey

 
Dexter Sinister
No Party Affiliation
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by theconquerorView Post

The U.S. Militia is devoted to the protection of the U.S. Constitution and protection of U.S. Sovereignty against all threats foreign and local.

And who exactly is the U.S. Militia and what does it do? There's the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, the Marines, the National Guard, the Coast Guard, and assorted federal, state and local police organizations, but the U.S. Militia is one I've never heard of. If it's not sponsored by government at any level, it has no official status as a military or paramilitary force and any actions it undertakes may be considered to be criminal behaviour.
 
theconqueror
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

And who exactly is the U.S. Militia and what does it do? There's the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, the Marines, the National Guard, the Coast Guard, and assorted federal, state and local police organizations, but the U.S. Militia is one I've never heard of. If it's not sponsored by government at any level, it has no official status as a military or paramilitary force and any actions it undertakes may be considered to be criminal behaviour.


Yes I agree, the problem is it comprises of local and federal law enforement, ex-military, and government officials.

There are hundreds of U.S. Militia detachments in the U.S. Here is one website for starters...

https://www.unitedstatesmilitia.com (external - login to view)
 
theconqueror
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

And who exactly is the U.S. Militia and what does it do? There's the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, the Marines, the National Guard, the Coast Guard, and assorted federal, state and local police organizations, but the U.S. Militia is one I've never heard of. If it's not sponsored by government at any level, it has no official status as a military or paramilitary force and any actions it undertakes may be considered to be criminal behaviour.

As described by: https://www.unitedstatesmilitia.com (external - login to view)

The United States Militia is a community of patriots, true believers in a good and free America. We believe in traditional values of faith, family and work, and in an absolute right to self preservation. We believe in self determination, in limited government, and in honoring and maintaining the republic as it was designed more than 200 years ago.

We believe that the freedoms passed down through 400 years of American history, often purchased at great cost, must be protected. We believe it vital that American history be returned to the classroom and to the culture. America is in the midst of a global struggle that necessitates engagement, not only militarily, but economically. Domestically, the struggle deepens and necessitates lawful engagement politically, socially and spiritually.

We meet here first, with common goals of a free and prosperous America. Every color, every culture, one country.
 
Dexter Sinister
No Party Affiliation
#10
Sounds like self-righteous BS to me.
 
theconqueror
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

Sounds like self-righteous BS to me.


I know why you say that, because as criminal as it may seem there is nothing anyone can do to stop it.
 
ironsides
No Party Affiliation
#12
U.S. National Militia Directory

Directory by State

The following are links to unofficial Web pages for each state, each of which will include links to locally-maintained constitutional militia Web sites as these become known. These pages are for the convenience of state and local militias until they can develop their own, and to provide a uniform reference system for the militia movement as a whole. Note that these pages are for constitutional militias only, those dedicated to the preservation, protection, and defense of the Constitutions for the United States and of their state, open to all citizens so dedicated, regardless of race, color, gender, or views on nonconstitutional issues. While the Constitution Society reserves the right to make a final determination of what is to be included on these pages, local militia units are encouraged to think of these pages as theirs, and we will, within reason, try to comply with their preferences on design and material to be included. Please suggest changes and additions, and correct any errors or omissions.
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Socrates the Greek
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by ironsidesView Post

U.S. National Militia Directory
Directory by State
The following are links to unofficial Web pages for each state, each of which will include links to locally-maintained constitutional militia Web sites as these become known. These pages are for the convenience of state and local militias until they can develop their own, and to provide a uniform reference system for the militia movement as a whole. Note that these pages are for constitutional militias only, those dedicated to the preservation, protection, and defense of the Constitutions for the United States and of their state, open to all citizens so dedicated, regardless of race, color, gender, or views on nonconstitutional issues. While the Constitution Society reserves the right to make a final determination of what is to be included on these pages, local militia units are encouraged to think of these pages as theirs, and we will, within reason, try to comply with their preferences on design and material to be included. Please suggest changes and additions, and correct any errors or omissions.
Alabama

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Interesting links Ironsides,
"Adversaries of the Militia"

"The duty of the militia is to protect society, its members, and its Constitution, from anything that may threaten it. That includes foreign enemies, domestic
insurrectionists, and disasters, but at the moment, the primary threat to which the Militia needs to respond comes from domestic enemies of the Constitution, which are found in every institution and sector of our society. Many of them are gangsters, and we can speak of the Establishment, gangster government, gangster corporations, banksters, and their minions, many of them driven by the money from narcotrafficking. But it also includes zealots and fascists who pretend to have noble intentions, and may even believe it, but who are the most dangerous of all".


Who in a Militia determines who is a Gangster Government, and what do they do to remedy such a problem?
 
eh1eh
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by Socrates the GreekView Post


Who in a Militia determines who is a Gangster Government, and what do they do to remedy such a problem?

United States Militia stand tall,
All of our enemies lose and fall.

( Chorus )
Let me HEAR THAT MILITIA CALL!!
WE GUNNA KILL KILL KILL WE GONNA KILL THEM ALL!
( End chorus )

Hit the dirt and i go prone,
Unload my saw and we send them home.

Repeat Chorus.


You know, something like that.
 
ironsides
No Party Affiliation
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Socrates the GreekView Post

Interesting links Ironsides,
"Adversaries of the Militia"

Who in a Militia determines who is a Gangster Government, and what do they do to remedy such a problem?

That is a good question and why these militias are watched so closely today. Most are just following the old rule to protect society, its members, and its Constitution, from anything that may threaten it. That includes foreign enemies, domestic. Other than that, militias just are like clubs and just wait. Those who were caught were the domestic enemies talked about. But the goverment took care of them without any objection from any others that we know about and not needing any help from civilians other than reporting what was going on.
 
wulfie68
No Party Affiliation
#16
Militias in the US are different from those in Canada (the Armed Forces Reserves are actually referred to as "the Militia") in that they are not governed by the dept of defense. Some of them also have issues in that they don't always recognize either the US constitution or some of the ammendments that have been added to it, stating that (the constitution or the ammendments) go against the intent of the founding fathers of the US when they wrote the Declaration of Indepence.

Most of these groups aren't proscribed per se, but some do violate things like weapons laws (many try to accumulate armories in case they are some day needed to take up arms), and as a foreign national in the US, I would be hesitant to get involved with them.
 
Praxius
Free Thinker
#17
The only militia I heard be called Terrorists in the US, were that Christian Militia that allegedly plotted to wage a war on the police force, which in my view, did nothing to deserve officers being ambushed and killed, then IED'd during the funeral to kill more police, followed up by luring them back into a further trap to kill even more.

I mean, if you're a legit military force, shouldn't you first be officially declaring war on someone or something before you sneak around like terrorists thugs, ambushing and blowing up unsuspecting troops/police/humans?

They weren't going to win many over to their cause this way, and if they didn't get more people coming to their cause, their attempt would have just been a suicide mission from the start and the only thing they'd accomplish is to kill a bunch of people who never had the chance to defend themselves, let alone knew they were at war with anybody, before having everything the US government has tossed at them.

I seen their little promo video being shown in the news.... all dressed up like camo monkies, jumping around with heavy metal music in the background to sound all tough..... looked, sounded and felt just like one of those Jihad videos we see in the news all the time.... only with a Western Christian Spin to it.

They were a bunch of idiot clowns and if they truly knew what they were doing, they wouldn't have been caught with their pants down and arrested without firing a single shot in the first place.

I wouldn't even compare them to legit Militias in your local communities.... at least not to the militias many in my family served in here where I live.

(And yes, I'm aware US and Canadian Militias are different)
 
CDNBear
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by theconquerorView Post

Reason why I am asking is because as a Canadian Mercenary to the U.S. Militia I have no idea what my legal status is in accordence to law.

I know my job though...

Ummm, ok...

Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

Sounds like self-righteous BS to me.

Actually Dex, from my experience, most Militia types are actually very altruistic. Oft devoting their time, at their own expense to all manner of activities. From simple litter pick up, to providing emergency services in times of crisis. In fact, a few Militia groups were instrumental in staving off looter in their perspective towns in the aftermath of Katrina.

It's true, there are Units that have a somewhat jaded view of the US Gov't, but if you look at the tradition of the US Miltia corp. You will see that it has storied and lustrous history. It was also the origin of the National Guard.

Quote: Originally Posted by wulfie68View Post

Most of these groups aren't proscribed per se, but some do violate things like weapons laws (many try to accumulate armories in case they are some day needed to take up arms),

True, but many have tried to distance themselves from those groups that otherwise are a dangerous embarrassment.
 
wulfie68
No Party Affiliation
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

True, but many have tried to distance themselves from those groups that otherwise are a dangerous embarrassment.

Absolutely, but at the same time, as a foreign national, if he gets involved with the wrong group, he could face charges in the US and back in Canada, stemming from the fact that he is getting involved in the internal politics of another country. Agents provocateur aren't well loved anywhere and he could end up being considered as such if things are a little shady...
 
CDNBear
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by wulfie68View Post

Absolutely, but at the same time, as a foreign national, if he gets involved with the wrong group, he could face charges in the US and back in Canada, stemming from the fact that he is getting involved in the internal politics of another country. Agents provocateur aren't well loved anywhere and he could end up being considered as such if things are a little shady...

Agreed, especially when he specifically labels himself a "Canadian Mercenary". All humour aside, an embarrassing and all to dangerous label to apply.
 
theconqueror
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Agreed, especially when he specifically labels himself a "Canadian Mercenary". All humour aside, an embarrassing and all to dangerous label to apply.

You decide if I am embarassing as a Canadian Mercenary who allready served as a Commander of a USN Ship, while being a member of the U.S. Militia who is allready signed to the Canadian Army when I return in 2015, who will go right back into the heat... Gun Ho!~

 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#22
If you WERE a Commander of a US navy ship, you would know something about nuclear propulsion.

I know where there's an opening in the fertilizer industry....


BTW.... The aircraft in your poster have RAF roundels
 
theconqueror
#23
no respect...
 
MHz
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by theconquerorView Post

You decide if I am embarassing as a Canadian Mercenary who allready served as a Commander of a USN Ship, while being a member of the U.S. Militia who is allready signed to the Canadian Army when I return in 2015, who will go right back into the heat... Gun Ho!~

You must have one of those Mossad passports.
 
AnnaG
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by theconquerorView Post

Most if not all countries have Militia's including the popular Al Qaida, and the Taliban which are the equivalent to America's Militia which operate on behalf of the nation.

So who is this Militia? Does it have a website like the USAF, USN, etc.?
 
AnnaG
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

If you WERE a Commander of a US navy ship, you would know something about nuclear propulsion.

I know where there's an opening in the fertilizer industry....


Hey lookit here, I can post a pic of a medal, too, does that make me a war hero?




BTW.... The aircraft in your poster have RAF roundels[/quote]lmao The British are bombing! The British are bombing!
 
AnnaG
#27
I am impressed. I found something:

https://unitedstatesmilitia.com/home.html (external - login to view)

I'm going to email them and see if they have any Canucks in their membership.
 
AnnaG
#28
Funny that the USN would be so short on ship commanders that they'd need to hire a Canadian.
 
Risus
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by Socrates the GreekView Post

Well, the destruction of the Oklahoma building was not a paint your world operation, it was well thought and tragically affective. At the end executing T McVeigh proves how real the threat is. I am not sure how we can call the Oklahoma tragedy, not the work of a militia against the Government.

I thought it quite amusing how the yanks were so quick to blame the taliban for that attack, when, in fact, it was one of their own.
 

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