US Kills Your Child in Afghanistan...You Get $1500

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US compensates Afghans for death, damage from war



By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA
Associated Press Writer

The fallout of war has a price in southern Afghanistan.

U.S. Army units fighting the Taliban in Helmand province have a compensation system for any death, injury or damage to crops and buildings caused by American forces to Afghan civilians and their property.

The suffering of a population caught between combatants during the Afghan war is a politically sensitive issue, and NATO troops have sought to make amends for deadly airstrikes and other instances in which civilians were killed.

In turn, they accuse insurgents of using civilians as human shields, making it harder to distinguish between enemies and innocents. Financial compensation in desperately poor Afghanistan is at least one way to alleviate distress and show good intentions, military commanders say.

The American units carry a list that gives guidance on payouts:

The death of a child or adult is worth $1,500-$2,500, loss of limb and other injuries $600-$1,500, a damaged or destroyed vehicle $500-$2,500, and damage to a farmer's fields $50-$250.

The system is also useful for gathering intelligence on insurgents, says 1st Sgt. Gene Hicks of Tacoma, Washington.

The military pays villagers in local currency for information about the location of roadside bombs as well as "where they've seen people at, where they've seen people moving, where they've seen people shooting from," Hicks said.

His Alpha Company of 1st Battalion, 17th Infantry Regiment of the 5th Stryker Brigade has paid out nearly $500 so far, though they also have yet to compensate landowners for compounds they have occupied and turned into patrol bases. They have not had to pay any "condolence" payments for injury or loss of life.

One Afghan landowner stands to reap a windfall because his compound has been occupied by British, Canadian and American troops.

"They've all used the same compound," Hicks said. "So he gets his money from whoever's occupying his compound at the time."

It's not an exact science, but some Afghan civilians in the area of Badula Qulp, northeast of the contested Taliban stronghold of Marjah, have been quick to exploit it. In any casualty case, the Americans are mindful that they might be asked to compensate for the death of an insurgent, rather than a civilian.

"It's really kind of hard," Hicks said. "You have to determine whether the guy was a good guy or a bad guy. It's a benefit of the doubt kind of thing."

A few days ago, a company with the 4th Battalion, 23rd Infantry Regiment got into a firefight with the Taliban, and a helicopter destroyed a mosque from where troops had received fire. The 15-year-old son of the local religious figure died in the air strike; the U.S. military agreed to pay compensation in a meeting with village leaders, though commanders privately speculated that the son might have been a combatant.

At that meeting, one of the elders initially objected to the idea of putting a price on someone's death, or damage to a holy religious site. By the end of the meeting, the elders seemed content with the idea of a payout.

The compensation process requires completed claim forms, and is sometimes complicated by the fact that many villagers don't know how to write and can't sign their names. In that event, soldiers take their fingerprint on the document or photograph them with the form.

During a mission in neighboring Kandahar province, Alpha Company once ran into an enterprising man who showed them where to find a roadside bomb that could have caused serious damage to one of their Stryker infantry carriers. The man wouldn't settle for a few hundred dollars; he wanted the amount of the armored vehicle that had possibly been saved from destruction - a cool $2 million or more.

He didn't get it.
 

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Both of which are a heck of a lot more than the 2800 victims of 9-11 got.

Nice talking point....to bad that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost way more lives eh Colpy.
 
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Nice talking point....to bad that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost way more lives eh Colpy.

First of all, for those of you with reading comprehension problems: we are talking about Afghanistan......that's A-F-G-H-A-N-I-S-T-A-N, not Iraq, I-R-A-Q.

Civilian deaths in Afghanistan amount to at least 5,000 to 8500. Too many, but I'm sure that you have a solution.......please, tell us how we can appease you, and those that shelter and aid you"

AND, before you start whinning about how abused you are, as I told you previously, if it is a mannerly debate you want, don't toss insults.

Likewise,if you want a mud-slinging match, you came to the right place.
 
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"A few days ago, a company with the 4th Battalion, 23rd Infantry Regiment got into a firefight with the Taliban, and a helicopter destroyed a mosque from where troops had received fire. The 15-year-old son of the local religious figure died in the air strike; the U.S. military agreed to pay compensation in a meeting with village leaders, though commanders privately speculated that the son might have been a combatant."

are you kidding?

America is making fun of the humanity! and nobody who feels like civilized enough to pontificate doesn't try to react against to America's nonsenses, and the followers of that stupid thought are captured in their little mind .... i ask, please give me sensible answer, if the officers' or president's kids or relatives were killed in that way, would they accept any compensation for that massacre?
whereas, the attacker would think that the kids of such men are the future killers of innocents!...

humanity is fading to black but your large bottoms are going to get larger without gaining any wisdom about the universe and people...
 

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"A few days ago, a company with the 4th Battalion, 23rd Infantry Regiment got into a firefight with the Taliban, and a helicopter destroyed a mosque from where troops had received fire. The 15-year-old son of the local religious figure died in the air strike; the U.S. military agreed to pay compensation in a meeting with village leaders, though commanders privately speculated that the son might have been a combatant."
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Obviously, the kid's name isn't Omar Khadr.
 

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"A few days ago, a company with the 4th Battalion, 23rd Infantry Regiment got into a firefight with the Taliban, and a helicopter destroyed a mosque from where troops had received fire. The 15-year-old son of the local religious figure died in the air strike; the U.S. military agreed to pay compensation in a meeting with village leaders, though commanders privately speculated that the son might have been a combatant."

are you kidding?

America is making fun of the humanity! and nobody who feels like civilized enough to pontificate doesn't try to react against to America's nonsenses, and the followers of that stupid thought are captured in their little mind .... i ask, please give me sensible answer, if the officers' or president's kids or relatives were killed in that way, would they accept any compensation for that massacre?
whereas, the attacker would think that the kids of such men are the future killers of innocents!...

humanity is fading to black but your large bottoms are going to get larger without gaining any wisdom about the universe and people...
Well said but I think it went over the heads of those who support war or believe any of the US propaganda.
 

Kreskin

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Seems like a reasonable thing for the US to do. Thank you for letting us know.
 

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Blood Money is a fact of life in Islamic countries.

that happened when the killing was occured by no intention i mean one shooted the other without any intention to kill ,and the blood money was taken for funeral , which shows that killer was sorry and regretful but this is also wrong, officers try to prevent it but America, as usual, exploits this weakness . it is not same with the Blood money taken from families because America bargain to kill more comfortabely putting that wrong idea forward. i see that America has written the book of massacre and poor minded reads it with pleasure , the example is just the posts above
 

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that happened when the killing was occured by no intention i mean one shooted the other without any intention to kill ,and the blood money was taken for funeral , which shows that killer was sorry and regretful but this is also wrong, officers try to prevent it but America, as usual, exploits this weakness . it is not same with the Blood money taken from families because America bargain to kill more comfortabely putting that wrong idea forward. i see that America has written the book of massacre and poor minded reads it with pleasure , the example is just the posts above
That is right. The American and Canadian understanding of what is going on over there is filtered through the lens of CNN and FOX news cameras. People here have not got a clue how life is outside their own little paranoid world. They are told by the news and their politicians that everybody hates them because they are free. What a joke. They are so stuck in their little boxes that they are not even aware that there is a world outside. They talk about thinking outside the box, but the box is all they know.
 

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First of all, for those of you with reading comprehension problems: we are talking about Afghanistan......that's A-F-G-H-A-N-I-S-T-A-N, not Iraq, I-R-A-Q.

Civilian deaths in Afghanistan amount to at least 5,000 to 8500. Too many, but I'm sure that you have a solution.......please, tell us how we can appease you, and those that shelter and aid you"

AND, before you start whinning about how abused you are, as I told you previously, if it is a mannerly debate you want, don't toss insults.

Likewise,if you want a mud-slinging match, you came to the right place.

Well gee whiz, I didn't sling mud, I just stated facts.

I do have a solution....get out....get out now.
 

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A few days ago, a company with the 4th Battalion, 23rd Infantry Regiment got into a firefight with the Taliban, and a helicopter destroyed a mosque from where troops had received fire. The 15-year-old son of the local religious figure died in the air strike; the U.S. military agreed to pay compensation in a meeting with village leaders, though commanders privately speculated that the son might have been a combatant.

At that meeting, one of the elders initially objected to the idea of putting a price on someone's death, or damage to a holy religious site. By the end of the meeting, the elders seemed content with the idea of a payout.

They should have waited and hired a lawyer instead.
 

Kreskin

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I doubt they have Metropolitan Life's universal life and critical illness policies to fall back on. North Americans aren't the only people who need support when tragedy strikes. $1500 US in Afghanistan would go a long way. If they don't want it they don't need to take it. It's pretty easy to paint someone as having evil conspiratorial intentions but, like anywhere, they are people and so are Americans. Trying to make something right for a family who is suffering loss is not a bad thing. Part of the problem Cliffy is yes we're all in the box..the computer screen. It's easy to be the armchair quarterback but there are real people on the ground dealing face to face and they're trying to work together. I could send your worst enemy to your home and you'll shake hands and talk. That's because everyone has more in common than not. These computer screens tend to make it look like the world is full of nothing but hate, when in reality it's the squeaky wheel that gets all the grease. People are people just about anywhere you go and no matter who they work for.
 

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They should have waited and hired a lawyer instead.

How could we think that they didn't accept the money on the deads but, after a while they accepted the money because Muslims were likely to have money rather than to have their rights before laws as convincing?

couldn't there have been guns at the back of families' heads in case they wouldn't have accepted the money ?

enlarge your point of views, just imagine 'cause imagination is very useful to see some propagandas, i advice it...
 

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How could we think that they didn't accept the money on the deads but, after a while they accepted the money because Muslims were likely to have money rather than to have their rights before laws as convincing?

couldn't there have been guns at the back of families' heads in case they wouldn't have accepted the money ?

enlarge your point of views, just imagine 'cause imagination is very useful to see some propagandas, i advice it...

All thoughts I didn't dismiss in my post but will now.

Too tin foil hat for me.