Dream GOP Candidate for Obama in 2012?


Cliffy
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The consensus of opinion around the water cooler this morning was that Americans will vote for big boobs rather than big ears in 2012. But who cares because the world will end before she takes office.

The only thing that frightens me about her is her bone crunching jaws.
 
Bar Sinister
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I really don't get the Palin-Jeanne D'Arc analogy. Don't people know that St. Joan was burned alive?
 
ironsides
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Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorterView Post

I am not the one to predict the future, countryboy, you need a fierce partisan to do that (like any Joan of Arc acolyte, for instance, he will tell you with perfect confidence that she is going to win the nomination and then sweep all 50 states to win the election in 2012).

So I really couldn’t say if she will be another Reagan or Goldwater. Based upon what we know so far, and based upon today’s conditions, if nothing changes, then she definitely will be another Goldwater.

But a lot can change between now and then. Joan of Arc may suddenly become erudite, knowledgeable, articulate, charming, charismatic etc. and start to appeal to the broad population, rather than only to dirty old men. Or we may have double dip recession and economy maybe in the tank come 2012. Then we may have 1980 all over again.

But as of now, based upon what we know now, I would say that she probably will be another Goldwater, that we may be looking at Obama landslide if she is the Republican nominee.

Why do the Democrats always make an issue when Sarah Palin speaks, if your not interested just ignore her' I do think she will be there to support who ever the frontrunner will be. Sarah Palin taking the Republican Presidential today would just guarantee Obama another term.
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by ironsidesView Post

Why do the Democrats always make an issue when Sarah Palin speaks, if your not interested just ignore her' I do think she will be there to support who ever the frontrunner will be. Sarah Palin taking the Republican Presidential today would just guarantee Obama another term.

Can we expect her to be wearing skimpy cheer leader outfits, can we, can we!!!!?????

Will the Republicans be able to pick a viable candidate before the next election from the field of criminal idiots that are running? Kinda like trying to pick a booger out of your nose with an amputated wrist. Only a Republican moron would want the job before a Democrat can fix Bush's mess.
 
SirJosephPorter
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Quote: Originally Posted by countryboyView Post

Thanks for your opinion on that. I've never considered myself to be a dirty old man, but hey, I guess I've been called worse names.

So we may be looking at an Obama landslide, eh? What if the bloom has come off the rose for all those starry-eyed, left wingnut, time-for-magical-change groupies that have begun to realize that their saviour is nothing more than a human being, making human mistakes, and not getting much of anything done?

Do you think any of them might swing over to the "right" side and give their vote(s) to Sarah? At least she has a track record for getting things done.

The problem with Joan of Arc is that she has very high negatives with American people, particularly among women. Don’t be fooled by the slavish adulation, adoration displayed by the acolytes, polls show that Americans in general have a very low opinion of her.

McCain picked her in the hope that she will attract women voters (Republicans have a perennial problem with women and other minorities). She did not accomplish that, if anything, she hurt McCain with women.

As to swing to the right, it is certainly possible. The electorate is expected to swing to the right in the next election (as is inevitable, they switch between right and left alternately). However, that is a far car from the electorate voting for somebody of whom they have a very low opinion.

Joan of Arc started with plenty of goodwill. Republicans used to brag about her being the most popular female politician in USA. Until she opened her mouth, that is. Now she has very high negatives.

Unless seem major upheaval happens, she doesn’t’ stand a chance against Obama.
 
SirJosephPorter
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Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

YouTube - Bill OReilly quotThe Left Is Afraid Of Sarah Palinquot

Why, certainly left is afraid of Joan of arc (the politically correct phrase is ‘deathly afraid’, the self admitted sexual harassment perpetrator O'Reilly is not being a good Republican, not being politically correct when he says that the left is only ‘afraid’ of her).

That is the official Republican Party line, every democrat is deathly afraid of every Republican. Thus according to the Republican Party base, Obama was positively shaking in his boots when McCain picked Joan of Arc as his running mate.

Indeed, it is a wonder that any Democrat gets elected, seeing how every Democrat is deathly afraid of very Republican.

So is Obama deathly afraid of Joan of Arc? You bet. Same as he is deathly afraid of Romney, deathly afraid of Newt Gingrich, Mark Sanford, Larry 'wide stance' Craig or indeed any Republican who runs for any office, including that of the dog catcher.
 
SirJosephPorter
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

The consensus of opinion around the water cooler this morning was that Americans will vote for big boobs rather than big ears in 2012. But who cares because the world will end before she takes office.

The only thing that frightens me about her is her bone crunching jaws.

And why wouldn't they, Cliffy? Any electorate crazy enough to vote for Bush twice is capable of anything. They may vote for big boobs as well as for anything else (perhaps Joan of Arc should get a boob job to enhance her chances).
Last edited by SirJosephPorter; Feb 11th, 2010 at 06:38 AM..
 
SirJosephPorter
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Quote: Originally Posted by Bar SinisterView Post

I really don't get the Palin-Jeanne D'Arc analogy. Don't people know that St. Joan was burned alive?

I have explained it several times before. The nickname Joan of Arc doesn’t make fun of Sarah Palin; it makes fun of her supporters, her acolytes.

Her supporters hold her in almost a Godlike awe; they have Godlike devotion to her. To them, she is a Saint, she can do no wrong. Thus when she bombed her interviews with Katie Couric big time, her followers were hoping mad at Couric. According to them, it was Couric's fault that Palin could not answer simple questions about foreign policy, or which periodicals she read every week etc. they even justified with straight face her answer about Russia being visible from Alaska.

Her followers are like her acolytes, they regard her as a Saint, who has come to rescue them from the evil clutches of Democrats (same as Joan of Arc came to rescue the peasants from the British).

So I think Joan of Arc is an apt nickname for her, it describes her followers quite appropriately.
 
SirJosephPorter
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Quote: Originally Posted by ironsidesView Post

Why do the Democrats always make an issue when Sarah Palin speaks, if your not interested just ignore her' I do think she will be there to support who ever the frontrunner will be. Sarah Palin taking the Republican Presidential today would just guarantee Obama another term.

Why ignore her when one can ridicule her, ironsides? She provides plenty of fodder for comedy, like Dan Quayle did. Indeed, before the election, I expressed the wish, I almost wished that McCain/Palin get elected. Imagine how much material that would have given comics (or indeed to everybody) with Sarah Palin in the news day after day. Dan Quayle would have paled in comparison.

As to her supporting whoever the Republican nominee is, that depends upon who the nominee is.

It was clear from the New York Congressional election that Tea Party supporters and Palin will not support a Republican candidate if he doesn't not come from the far right.

So if Republicans nominate somebody like Huckabee, I see Palin supporting him. If they nominate Romney, forget it. There is no way Tea Party and Palin will support him unless he moves sharply to the right (and then he may have problems with the electorate at large).
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ironsides
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Can we expect her to be wearing skimpy cheer leader outfits, can we, can we!!!!?????

Will the Republicans be able to pick a viable candidate before the next election from the field of criminal idiots that are running? Kinda like trying to pick a booger out of your nose with an amputated wrist. Only a Republican moron would want the job before a Democrat can fix Bush's mess.

Democrats don't have the smarts to get anything passed. They messed up, had their chance and blew it. Their only hope of sticking around is getting something passed the majority of voters like before November. And YES you can!
 
ironsides
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Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorterView Post

Why ignore her when one can ridicule her, ironsides? She provides plenty of fodder for comedy, like Dan Quayle did. Indeed, before the election, I expressed the wish, I almost wished that McCain/Palin get elected. Imagine how much material that would have given comics (or indeed to everybody) with Sarah Palin in the news day after day. Dan Quayle would have paled in comparison.

As to her supporting whoever the Republican nominee is, that depends upon who the nominee is.

It was clear from the New York Congressional election that Tea Party supporters and Palin will not support a Republican candidate if he doesn't not come from the far right.

So if Republicans nominate somebody like Huckabee, I see Palin supporting him. If they nominate Romney, forget it. There is no way Tea Party and Palin will support him unless he moves sharply to the right (and then he may have problems with the electorate at large).

If they nominate Huckabee or Romney forget it. They have to find someone new or anyone who will get away from the abortion issue. They run on that and it will be another loss. Sarah will support whoever they pick or this will be her last hurrah.
 
SirJosephPorter
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Quote: Originally Posted by ironsidesView Post

Democrats don't have the smarts to get anything passed. They messed up, had their chance and blew it. Their only hope of sticking around is getting something passed the majority of voters like before November. And YES you can!

Democrats cannot get anything passed because Republicans have 41 votes in Senate and they block anything Democrats try to pass.

However, you can be sure that Democrats will remember, and when Senate goes into Republican hands (as will inevitably happen at some stage), Republicans won’t be able to get anything passed either.

American political system is broken, big time.
 
ironsides
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Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorterView Post

Democrats cannot get anything passed because Republicans have 41 votes in Senate and they block anything Democrats try to pass.

However, you can be sure that Democrats will remember, and when Senate goes into Republican hands (as will inevitably happen at some stage), Republicans won’t be able to get anything passed either.

American political system is broken, big time.

Any good legislator can get something passed thru opposition, that is why they have back room deals. They still have a majority for some things, maybe even the health bill after all they did have a couple of Independents and one Republican. Obama just has to compromise a little.
 
SirJosephPorter
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Quote: Originally Posted by ironsidesView Post

Any good legislator can get something passed thru opposition, that is why they have back room deals. They still have a majority for some things, maybe even the health bill after all they did have a couple of Independents and one Republican. Obama just has to compromise a little.

What was the Democratic strategy during eight years of Bush? It was to oppose everything Republicans proposed and then blame Republicans for not doing anything.

Now Republicans are adopting the same strategy. If next election Republicans win the senate, Democrats will return the favour.

For a party to get anything through the opposition there must be a will to compromise on both sides. These days there is no will to compromise, on either side. It probably will go on for a long time like this, before a solution is found for the impasse.
 
countryboy
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Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorterView Post

Democrats cannot get anything passed because Republicans have 41 votes in Senate and they block anything Democrats try to pass.

However, you can be sure that Democrats will remember, and when Senate goes into Republican hands (as will inevitably happen at some stage), Republicans won’t be able to get anything passed either.

American political system is broken, big time.

That's ridiculous - it's the same system that's been around for a long time.

You're just miffed because your idol isn't smart enough to know how to do deals effectively. Your extreme liberalism is showing...stamp your feet, cry that the world is unfair, and of course, that the sky is falling...all because your saviour doesn't have enough experience in actually getting things done (vs. just talking about them). All this whining about a "poisoned system" is sheer nonsense. You should find a more realistic way to express your frustration with the novice president, currently engaged in a very difficult on-the-job training program.

President Obama may be (slowly) coming to the realization that he has screwed up in a large way, but is he smart enough to recover from it? Time will tell. It will certainly require more than a few stirring speeches to get it done.
 
SirJosephPorter
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Quote: Originally Posted by countryboyView Post

That's ridiculous - it's the same system that's been around for a long time.

Sure the system has been around for a long time, but it has been abused only in recent years.

Filibuster used to be rarely used in the past. These days it is used for each and every bill, without exception. During Bush era, Democrats used filibuster routinely, now Republicans are doing the same.

There are things that are done traditionally, if one disregards tradition, the system breaks down.

Look at our system. Senate has fully as many powers and House does, yet senate chooses not to exercise the powers, because they are not elected. But suppose tomorrow they decided to exert those powers (reject the laws passed by the House, propose laws on its own, get into contentious fights with the House etc.), then what will happen? Canadian political system will have broken down.

Or consider the Notwithstanding Clause. It is generally accepted that it must be used sparingly; only in emergencies (federal government has never used it).

Now, suppose a PM with majority in the House decides to use it every time Courts rule against him. We will essentially have a dictatorship by the PM; the system will have broken down.

It is the same thing with the filibuster in the Senate. It was a tool to be used sparingly. In recent years, both Democrats and Republicans have been using it as a matter of routine. The system has broken down.

Interestingly, when Republicans were in control, they were thinking of getting rid of the filibuster. It wouldn’t surprise me if they do get rid of the filibuster the next time they control the Senate. And that may be a good thing.
 
countryboy
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Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorterView Post

Sure the system has been around for a long time, but it has been abused only in recent years.

Filibuster used to be rarely used in the past. These days it is used for each and every bill, without exception. During Bush era, Democrats used filibuster routinely, now Republicans are doing the same.

There are things that are done traditionally, if one disregards tradition, the system breaks down.

Look at our system. Senate has fully as many powers and House does, yet senate chooses not to exercise the powers, because they are not elected. But suppose tomorrow they decided to exert those powers (reject the laws passed by the House, propose laws on its own, get into contentious fights with the House etc.), then what will happen? Canadian political system will have broken down.

Or consider the Notwithstanding Clause. It is generally accepted that it must be used sparingly; only in emergencies (federal government has never used it).

Now, suppose a PM with majority in the House decides to use it every time Courts rule against him. We will essentially have a dictatorship by the PM; the system will have broken down.

It is the same thing with the filibuster in the Senate. It was a tool to be used sparingly. In recent years, both Democrats and Republicans have been using it as a matter of routine. The system has broken down.

Interestingly, when Republicans were in control, they were thinking of getting rid of the filibuster. It wouldn’t surprise me if they do get rid of the filibuster the next time they control the Senate. And that may be a good thing.

I have a feeling that you wouldn't be complaining as much of a "system breakdown" if liberals were behind the reasons for it. In that scenario, it would simply be an effective utlization of the processes available, right?
 
SirJosephPorter
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Quote: Originally Posted by countryboyView Post

I have a feeling that you wouldn't be complaining as much of a "system breakdown" if liberals were behind the reasons for it. In that scenario, it would simply be an effective utlization of the processes available, right?

I don't know what you mean by that. But in Canada, if a Liberal PM were to use Notwithstanding Clause to override a court decision, I would be vehemently opposed to it.

Any democracy, any system of government depends upon some traditions, not everything is written down in black and white (perhaps it should be). If somebody unilaterally disregards the traditions, that leads to the breakdown of the system.
 
DaSleeper
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Quote: Originally Posted by ironsidesView Post

Democrats don't have the smarts to get anything passed. They messed up, had their chance and blew it. Their only hope of sticking around is getting something passed the majority of voters like before November. And YES you can!

Exactly right....But the extreme left leadership tried to ram through a bill where the government would control everything without realizing that the US is not Europe and the population is not yet ready for their Progressive agenda....probably never will be......hence that grass root movement called the tea party.
 
countryboy
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Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorterView Post

I don't know what you mean by that. But in Canada, if a Liberal PM were to use Notwithstanding Clause to override a court decision, I would be vehemently opposed to it.

Any democracy, any system of government depends upon some traditions, not everything is written down in black and white (perhaps it should be). If somebody unilaterally disregards the traditions, that leads to the breakdown of the system.

Here's what I said: "I have a feeling that you wouldn't be complaining as much of a "system breakdown" if liberals were behind the reasons for it. In that scenario, it would simply be an effective utlization of the processes available, right?"

I used the word "liberals" but should have said "Democrats" as your main point was that the U.S. political system is broken. However, my use of the word liberal could be applied to either side of the border. My point was simple: Your judgement of whether or not a system is broken is influenced and/or clouded by your extreme political leanings, thus removing any possibility of an objective assessement.
 
ironsides
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Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorterView Post

I don't know what you mean by that. But in Canada, if a Liberal PM were to use Notwithstanding Clause to override a court decision, I would be vehemently opposed to it.

Any democracy, any system of government depends upon some traditions, not everything is written down in black and white (perhaps it should be). If somebody unilaterally disregards the traditions, that leads to the breakdown of the system.

Tradition, that is a very British thing used many times in the House of Commons and something Canada also tries to follow. Filibuster is part of most political systems, and at times a very powerful tool. We may not like it when it is being used against something we think important, but it is what it is. A "Liberal" PM, even a President or Congress can go against Supreme Court decisions. In order to do that the law must be changed and even then that new law must be approved by the Supreme Court. To quote judge Dredd "The Law is the Law".
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by ironsidesView Post

Tradition, that is a very British thing used many times in the House of Commons and something Canada also tries to follow. Filibuster is part of most political systems, and at times a very powerful tool. We may not like it when it is being used against something we think important, but it is what it is. A "Liberal" PM, even a President or Congress can go against Supreme Court decisions. In order to do that the law must be changed and even then that new law must be approved by the Supreme Court. To quote judge Dredd "The Law is the Law".

Dem Congressman Barney Frank is one of the lead members trying to change the fillibuster...and is also a hypocrite. During the Bush years Barney Frank to the lead opposition and tried to fillibuster Bush's judicial nominees and was called a hero around these parts for doing so.

Now he wants to change it.
 
YukonJack
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"Democrats cannot get anything passed because Republicans have 41 votes in Senate and they block anything Democrats try to pass."

It would be well to remember that for over a year the Democrats had a filibuster-proof Senate and an overwhelming majority in the House.
 
DaSleeper
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Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJackView Post

"Democrats cannot get anything passed because Republicans have 41 votes in Senate and they block anything Democrats try to pass."

It would be well to remember that for over a year the Democrats had a filibuster-proof Senate and an overwhelming majority in the House.

Who said that
 
ironsides
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Another Obama appointment: Barney Frank was part of the Mortgage failure and now he trying to get us out of it. Obama put the Fox's back in the hen house so to speak.
 
YukonJack
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Sorry, DasSleeper, I should have indicated that my quote was that of none other than SirJosephPorter, in post #102.
 
DaSleeper
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Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJackView Post

Sorry, DasSleeper, I should have indicated that my quote was that of none other than SirJosephPorter, in post #102.

Someday, someone will have to post a tutorial on how to quote and multi quote....maybe I will but not written by me
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

Someday, someone will have to post a tutorial on how to quote and multi quote....maybe I will but not written by me

Actually, that's not a bad idea...I have a bit of trouble figuring out the multi-quote thing...
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by countryboyView Post

Actually, that's not a bad idea...I have a bit of trouble figuring out the multi-quote thing...

I did find a couple of instruction videos I will post them in a different thread.
I found a couple of very interesting shortcuts in them that I didn't know about....
 
countryboy
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Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

I did find a couple of instruction videos I will post them in a different thread.
I found a couple of very interesting shortcuts in them that I didn't know about....

Thanks!
 

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