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Johnnny
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Re: Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Jan 2nd, 2010
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

Blech! I'll take whitefish and pickerel over lox any day....


there called walleye not pickeral jk
 
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Re: Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Jan 2nd, 2010
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

Cool....well, Pitter-Patter.....or is there a reason this isn't already being implemented
on a mass scale already? Is the market there to do this on a mass scale and clean
out the Asian Carp from North American waters for this Extract?

I'm not sure what's going on in Illinois. I know here in the Maritimes we have an invasive crustacean, the Green crab, which destroys habitat, and preys on shellfish farms. But you're not allowed to catch them. Technically you're not even supposed to kill them...but I killed every one I saw. The meat yield isn't very good for the green crab as a commercial species, about 30%.

A lot of the extract comes from Asia, they farm millions of tonnes of carp. So it might not be so cost effective to fish for them here. It's hard to compete with Chinese producers...
 
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Re: Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Jan 2nd, 2010
PREDICTION:

The gov. is gonna talk the talk, and talk the talk, and talk the talk, and the US is gonna do dick crap.

These fish will be in Lake Ont. by this time next year, or before; and then spread like wildfire to the rest of the great lakes and tribs.

Then the rivers.

Any gov. that took the size limit off bass (Ont. at least) because they didn't want to pay the price of enforcement, is going to sit with their thumbs firmly up their asses while these fish spread.

.............hope I"m wrong.
 
lone wolf
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Re: Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Jan 2nd, 2010
Maybe a Jaques cup and supporter should be issued as part of future fishing gear....
 
Nuggler
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Re: Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Jan 2nd, 2010
Like the Americans are going to close down the Chicago shipping canal. And that electric barrier is infallible.

Just makes ya wanna say **** it!
 
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Re: Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Jan 2nd, 2010
I used to live in Binghamton, NY right where the Chenango and Susquehanna river meet. (1946-47) Giant carp maybe 3-4 feet long or larger swam by us, never saw one jump though. Fishing for them wasn't to exciting either, like pulling in a tire that moves a little. They will probably eat the lampreys eventually, they eat almost everything. I'm not sure there is anything that can be done without poisoning all the Great Lakes and tributary rivers that flow into them.
 
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Re: Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Jan 2nd, 2010
Quote: Originally Posted by NugglerView Post

PREDICTION:

The gov. is gonna talk the talk, and talk the talk, and talk the talk, and the US is gonna do dick crap.

These fish will be in Lake Ont. by this time next year, or before; and then spread like wildfire to the rest of the great lakes and tribs.

Then the rivers.

Any gov. that took the size limit off bass (Ont. at least) because they didn't want to pay the price of enforcement, is going to sit with their thumbs firmly up their asses while these fish spread.

.............hope I"m wrong.

Do not think your wrong.
What has Canada done about the zebra mussels, nothing just talk talk talk like us.
 
lone wolf
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Re: Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Jan 2nd, 2010
Quote: Originally Posted by ironsidesView Post

Do not think your wrong.
What has Canada done about the zebra mussels, nothing just talk talk talk like us.

There was an old lady who swallowed a fly. Perhaps, she'll die.

Zebra mussels have no known predators. Asian carp have no known predators. If there is one, what else does it eat? Talk is about all we can do - short of drain, scrub, flush and fill.
Last edited by lone wolf; Jan 2nd, 2010 at 07:03 PM..Reason: rotten typoz!
 
Ron in Regina
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Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Jan 2nd, 2010
Quote: Originally Posted by NugglerView Post

PREDICTION:

The gov. is gonna talk the talk, and talk the talk, and talk the talk, and the US is gonna do dick crap.

These fish will be in Lake Ont. by this time next year, or before; and then spread like wildfire to the rest of the great lakes and tribs.

Then the rivers.

Any gov. that took the size limit off bass (Ont. at least) because they didn't want to pay the price of enforcement, is going to sit with their thumbs firmly up their asses while these fish spread.

.............hope I"m wrong.


I guess we'd better come up with several good recipes for muddy tasting
Asian Carp then. I vote for Battered, Deep-Fried, & swimming in Tartar
Sauce. That should hide the taste of almost anything.
 
relic
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Re: Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Jan 2nd, 2010
I've read it takes five pounds of fish meal to grow one pound of salmon {farmed fish}if they could use these things it may save some of the "good" fish that are being ground up now.
 
Kakato
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Re: Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Jan 2nd, 2010
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

I guess we'd better come up with several good recipes for muddy tasting
Asian Carp then. I vote for Battered, Deep-Fried, & swimming in Tartar
Sauce. That should hide the taste of almost anything.

Imagine if they get into the hudsons bay and the Thelon up north and then great slave lake if they like cold fresh water.
Hopefully the whales,bears,walrus and seals take a liking to them.
The farther north you go the more delicate the balance is with the environment.
Change is supposed to be slow when it comes to a new species moving in though,this is really going to throw a fu** into the balance.
 
lone wolf
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Re: Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Jan 2nd, 2010
I wonder how well they do when the lakes are iced over?
 
Kakato
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Re: Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Jan 2nd, 2010
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

I wonder how well they do when the lakes are iced over?

Hudsons bay and points north are at 1 degree in the winter and maybe a few more in the summer.
Sound's like the perfect environment for them.
 
Ron in Regina
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Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Jan 2nd, 2010
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

I wonder how well they do when the lakes are iced over?


I would guess less jumping.
 
ironsides
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Re: Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Jan 3rd, 2010
Those Koi fish (form of carp, like all gold fish) people keep in little ponds in their back yards survive winters when the ponds are covered with ice. The just slow down their systems till the water warms up again.

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Re: Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Feb 9th, 2010
Asian Carp


They're heeeeerree. Well, maybe. Asian carp DNA — but thankfully, no actual fish — has been found in water samples taken from the Chicago river near a pumping station in the Chicago suburb of Wilmette, Ill. In the 1970s, catfish farmers used these hardy foreign carp to remove algae from their ponds. But over the decades, floods that caused catfish ponds to overflow have released the species into the Mississippi river basin. Asian carp can grow to 4 ft. (1.2 m) in length and weigh over 100 lb. (45 kg), and have a tendency to leap out of the water, injuring fishermen and the occasional newscaster. With no natural predators and a predilection for killing off other marine life by eating all the plankton, the carp have overrun the Mississippi and are swimming towards the Great Lakes, the world's largest freshwater ecosystem. An elaborate system of barriers was constructed in 2002 to keep them contained, but the Wilmette DNA sample indicates that the fish have most likely found away around it. In December 2009 the state of Michigan filed a lawsuit against Illinois, which refuses to close the locks along Chicago's waterways. Despite the threat to the multibillion dollar fishing industry, the Supreme Court ruled against Michigan on Jan. 19. Chicago's waterways will remain open for now.

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Re: Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Feb 9th, 2010
U.S. Officials Plan $78.5 Million Effort to Keep Dangerous Carp Out of Great Lakes

By MONICA DAVEY
Published: February 9, 2010

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Re: Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Feb 9th, 2010
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

The carp are better stronger fish, it's the law of nature, a tackle change is what you need. Don't expect our taxes to subsidize your torturing worms by protecting obsolete fish that can't make the cut.

There is nothing natural about the Asian Carp invasion. Asian Carp were brought to America as tank cleaners. They escaped from the tanks during a flood and have invaded the rivers and lakes of America. In some areas of water they are 90% of the fish by weight. They are also voracious eaters and will attack boats going down the river. They can jump 8 feet high and break bones. They have no natural predators here and taste bad. Asians eat them because they have no choice
 
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#49

Re: Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Feb 9th, 2010
Why not just send a couple Jap trollers up the St Larry & Mississippi? They cleaned out 90% of the oceans in just a few years. The great lakes would be a weekend operation at half crew.
 
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Re: Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Feb 9th, 2010
Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

. Asians eat them because they have no choice

Maybe we should get all the asians here in Ontario to start fishing them out. From what I hear they keep everything they catch anyway.
 
Johnnny
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#51

Re: Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Feb 9th, 2010
The Sea lamprey will make short work of them, mabye lamprey numbers will boom again when the catfish start multiplying like crazy.
 
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Re: Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Feb 10th, 2010
Little tarter sauce, lemon, cocktail sauce and maybe a little hot sauce will make them palatable. Wish there was a simple solution to stop their spread, but short of sealing one lake from another I cannot think of any.
 
Johnnny
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Re: Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Feb 10th, 2010
You let us down ironsides, the US Army engineers should be able to build these barriers flawlessly. Tell those boys at the engineering corps to hit the books again and crunch some equations because someone forgot to carry the Y somewhere :P
 
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Re: Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Feb 10th, 2010
Same guys who built the dikes around N. Orleans, same guys who built jetties to stop beach erosion and instead accelerated it, same people who built flood control canals and dikes in Florida and caused the everglades to start drying up. Oh sure, lets put them in charge of intrusive animal control. Leave it up to them and you will soon have pythons running around up there.
 

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