#1Dec 22nd, 2009
Oh Boy.
Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
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#2
Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009
Does that old expression "I have seen the light!" come to mind? That's one down...
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009
Indeed. 1 down, 257 more to go.
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter
Well SirJP...what a surprise to hear from you! Indeed. 1 down, 257 more to go.
I believe the term that should be applied here is "continuous improvement." In typical conservative (effective*) fashion, it all starts with a small, measured, well thought out step, and thus begins the trend. In the "right" direction.
Efficient: Do things right.
*Effective: Doing the right things.
(I'm not exactly sayin' that right is right, and left is wrong...but it does have a ring to it, wouldn't you agree?)
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009
He was practically a Republican anyway, countryboy, he voted against all the major Democratic bills. So it really doesn’t come as a surprise. He saw the writing on the wall, he barely won the election, in a heavily Republican district, he could very well lose the next time. But if he switches to the Republican Party, that substantially improves his chances in 2010.
However, the same crowd who howled with outrage, who demanded that Arlen Specter be drawn, quartered, put to the rack and burned at the stake for the capital crime of switching form Republican to Democratic Party, the same crowd is now welcoming this character as a hero, as a kind of Messiah.
It is always one standard for one’s own party, totally opposite standard for the different party. It is all politics.
However, the same crowd who howled with outrage, who demanded that Arlen Specter be drawn, quartered, put to the rack and burned at the stake for the capital crime of switching form Republican to Democratic Party, the same crowd is now welcoming this character as a hero, as a kind of Messiah.
It is always one standard for one’s own party, totally opposite standard for the different party. It is all politics.
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy
Really? So are you saying that you expect all the 257 Democratic House members to cross over to Republican Party, one by one?Well SirJP...what a surprise to hear from you!
I believe the term that should be applied here is "continuous improvement." In typical conservative (effective*) fashion, it all starts with a small, measured, well thought out step, and thus begins the trend. In the "right" direction.
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009
Winds of change are indeed blowing....slooowly but surely.
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter
Yeah...that's what he is saying. Really? So are you saying that you expect all the 257 Democratic House members to cross over to Republican Party, one by one?
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter
No, the average Democrat wouldn't understand the concept of continuous improvement. Really? So are you saying that you expect all the 257 Democratic House members to cross over to Republican Party, one by one?
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
Yeah...that's what he is saying.
Quite so, EagleSmack. So what you are saying is that in an ideal world, in your Utopia, all the members of the House and all the members of the senate will be Republicans, there will be no opposition.
Well, it doesn’t surprise me, many conservatives dream of the day when there will be a right wing dictatorship in USA, with all the members of Congress belonging to one and the same party.
And maybe some day you would will realize your dream, who knows? All the Senators, all the Congress men, the president, all the politicians at the state level will be Republicans. Won’t that be Heaven on earth? Probably as good as the Second Coming, eh?
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
Winds of change are indeed blowing....slooowly but surely.
You already said that on another thread, EagleSmack. After 2010 election, most Senators (70, 80, 90, what is the number? You didn’t say) will be Republicans, most House members (again, 400, 450, 500?) will be Republicans and Utopia will appear in USA.
Come 2012, ALL Senators, ALL house members will be Republicans, Joan of Arc will be crowned as the president, God’s party will have an iron grip on the country and there will be 1000 year Kingdom of Christ (sorry, of Republicans) in USA.
Oh, happy days!
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter
You are starting to scare me now. Are you alright? Now you are out there in Logic77 Land or Beaver LandYou already said that on another thread, EagleSmack. After 2010 election, most Senators (70, 80, 90, what is the number? You didn’t say) will be Republicans, most House members (again, 400, 450, 500?) will be Republicans and Utopia will appear in USA.
Come 2012, ALL Senators, ALL house members will be Republicans, Joan of Arc will be crowned as the president, God’s party will have an iron grip on the country and there will be 1000 year Kingdom of Christ (sorry, of Republicans) in USA.
Oh, happy days!
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter
Tut, tut...now don't you go calling Americans dumb. I worked for a US company for 20 years and have many friends all over the states. I resent that insinuation. And the Americans I know personally are quite human. Human enough to make errors in judgement from time to time, but they always come to their senses and do the right thing. I admire people who can do that and be proud of it.So let me get this straight, average Republican is smart, intelligent, average Democrat is dumb? Well, Republicans got their head handed to them in 2006 and 2008 by the Americans,. Does that also make Americans dumb?
You sound like EagleSmack. According to him, most liberals are racist. Since blacks vote for liberals overwhelmingly, indirectly he is also calling most blacks racist..
So I repeat my question, if you think that all the Democrats are dumb, do you also think that American people are dumb, since they elected dumb politicians in 2006 and 2008, and gave smart politicians (Bush, Darth Vader, Joan of arc and their minions) the boot?
I don't know why you are so focused on racism but I'm not. And it doesn't belong in this conversation. It's those kinds of remarks that are hurtful to your fellow man, and I would appreciate it if you could refrain from those outbursts, please.
And it's hard to address your last paragraph seriously. I think you might have been going to the movies too often or reading too many books or something that triggers these lapses of reality. Just to help you sort this one out, Darth Vader was a fictional character in the Star Wars movies...he did not run for any public office in the U.S. and I have checked the records to make sure of that fact. As for Joan of Arc, she didn't even live in the U.S. so it would have been impossible for her to have run for office.
I think that if you don't care to admit there could be a serious underlying problem here, you could at least check some facts & statistics to help you come to a realistic position on things. These outbursts are troublesome and I am genuinely concerned about your well-being.
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
Scare you? I thought I was painting a rosy picture for you.You are starting to scare me now. Are you alright? Now you are out there in Logic77 Land or Beaver Land
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009
You sound like EagleSmack. According to him, most liberals are racist. - SJP
Well, let me refresh your memory, this is a post by you.
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
Oh, you don’t’ remember that, do you? Doesn’t surprise me, you probably read that on some extreme right wing website and were parroting that here. If that indeed was the case, no wonder you forgot about it. In that case, you didn’t say it, your far right hero (or heroine) said it.Never said that. Prove it or admit to all you are again...wrong.
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Well, let me refresh your memory, this is a post by you.
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
Post #8It's Ok though... lot's of liberals are closet racists. Your whole article drips of it. The do-good liberal saying look how good Michelle is to the third world. It amounts to saying...
"Look how good our kitchen help is... she is a role model to the women in the fields and someone for them to look up to. And she is as dark as they come."
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009
I see you were careful not to answer my question countryboy, so let me make one more attempt.
You clearly implied that Democrats are dumb. And by implication, Republicans are smart. They have to be, they are conservative, and so are you.
If that indeed is the case, would you say that American people are also dumb, since they voted for Democrats in large numbers in 2006 and 2008 and handed Republicans their head?
You clearly implied that Democrats are dumb. And by implication, Republicans are smart. They have to be, they are conservative, and so are you.
If that indeed is the case, would you say that American people are also dumb, since they voted for Democrats in large numbers in 2006 and 2008 and handed Republicans their head?
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter
So basically you just proved yourself wrong whereas you said that I said "most are racist" when in actuallity I said "lots of liberals are racist"You sound like EagleSmack. According to him, most liberals are racist. - SJP
Oh, you don’t’ remember that, do you? Doesn’t surprise me, you probably read that on some extreme right wing website and were parroting that here. If that indeed was the case, no wonder you forgot about it. In that case, you didn’t say it, your far right hero (or heroine) said it.
Well, let me refresh your memory, this is a post by you.
Post #8
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Thanks for proving yourself wrong!
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter
Do you see how badly you failed?
You sound like EagleSmack. According to him, most liberals are racist. Since blacks vote for liberals overwhelmingly, indirectly he is also calling most blacks racist..
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
So now we are quibbling over numbers, are we? What does a lot mean? 80%? 90%? 100%? What does ‘most’ mean?So basically you just proved yourself wrong whereas you said that I said "most are racist" when in actuallity I said "lots of liberals are racist"
Thanks for proving yourself wrong!
The fact is, you called liberals racists and then forgot all about it (a possible reason could be that you read it on an extreme right wing website and were parroting that here). So my point was quite valid. You claimed that liberals are racist, since most blacks vote for liberals, you indirectly implied that most blacks are racist.
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter
LMAOSo now we are quibbling over numbers, are we? What does a lot mean? 80%? 90%? 100%? What does ‘most’ mean?
So you admit it right?
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Liberals can be and lots are. <ahem>The fact is, you called liberals racists and then forgot all about it (a possible reason could be that you read it on an extreme right wing website and were parroting that here). So my point was quite valid. You claimed that liberals are racist, since most blacks vote for liberals, you indirectly implied that most blacks are racist.
I never said "most" of anything you did and were proving wrong. Weren't you?
Dance for me!
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
Sorry EagleSmack, but you have been proven wrong. I don’t expect you to admit it, of course. After all, which conservative, which Republican is going to admit that he is wrong?LMAO
So you admit it right?
Liberals can be and lots are. <ahem>
I never said "most" of anything you did and were proving wrong. Weren't you?
Dance for me!
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter
Awwww...getting madSorry EagleSmack, but you have been proven wrong. I don’t expect you to admit it, of course. After all, which conservative, which Republican is going to admit that he is wrong?
You said "Eaglesmack thinks that most liberals are racist"
I actually said
"Lots of liberals are racist."
You're wrong...admit it. It is really cut and dry. There is no debate at all.
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
Awwww...getting mad
You said "Eaglesmack thinks that most liberals are racist"
I actually said
"Lots of liberals are racist."
You're wrong...admit it. It is really cut and dry. There is no debate at all.
Indeed it is cut and dry. I said that you said that most liberals are racist, you said that a lot of the liberals are racist, which is practically the same thing (but as I said, I wouldn’t expect you to admit it, can a conservative ever be wrong?).
But you are right, it is cut and dry, you said liberals are racist and then forgot all about it.
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter
Here's what I said in post #9: "No, the average Democrat wouldn't understand the concept of continuous improvement." You immediately jumped to the conclusion that I was implying that all Democrats are dumb. First of all, I don't use the word "dumb" to describe any level of intelligence, even that of a Democrat, as much as I might disagree with their views. If you would take the time to ask for an interpretation of things you don't clearly understand, vs. jumping to conclusions and then spinning way off into some direction that is positively bewildering to me, then you could save both of us a lot of time.I see you were careful not to answer my question countryboy, so let me make one more attempt.
You clearly implied that Democrats are dumb. And by implication, Republicans are smart. They have to be, they are conservative, and so are you.
If that indeed is the case, would you say that American people are also dumb, since they voted for Democrats in large numbers in 2006 and 2008 and handed Republicans their head?
So, even though you didn't take the time or have the common courtesy to ask, I will provide for you a translation of my remark in post #9: The Democratic party is not generally regarded as the "big business party" of the U.S. The concept of continuous improvement is part of an overall quality management concept which essentialy involves the control of outputs of an organization, and it is sometimes referred to as a "Quality Improvement Process." So, it would stand to reason in my mind (not yours, mine) that the average Democrat would not be as aware of concepts like this as perhaps the average Republican. I note that you have pointed out the close relationships between the Republican party and big business in a number of posts I have read. Does any of this have a least a whiff of logic to you?
Now I'm not going to comment on the rest of your questions here because, and not for the first time, you have put down words and assumptions that never came from me in the first place, and then tried to build some sort of fantasy case on that. If the foundation is wrong, so is the rest of the so-called "case." If you want to call Democrats dumb and Republicans smart, it is your choice to do so, not mine.
Furthermore, you seem to delight in throwing around words that can be quite insulting to people without any obvious thought as to the feelings of those people. I find that to be a very offensive habit and I wish you could find a less damaging way to express whatever it is that is bugging you. Wouldn't you rather bring forth the potential in you to be a nice guy?
Thank you for listening, and I hope these thoughts will help you to become a more productive and useful person in society, or at least in future discussions with me. If there are any.
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy
So, even though you didn't take the time or have the common courtesy to ask, I will provide for you a translation of my remark in post #9: The Democratic party is not generally regarded as the "big business party" of the U.S. The concept of continuous improvement is part of an overall quality management concept which essentialy involves the control of outputs of an organization, and it is sometimes referred to as a "Quality Improvement Process." So, it would stand to reason in my mind (not yours, mine) that the average Democrat would not be as aware of concepts like this as perhaps the average Republican. I note that you have pointed out the close relationships between the Republican party and big business in a number of posts I have read. Does any of this have a least a whiff of logic to you?
No, it doesn’t have a whiff of logic. Your statement that Democrats are not generally regarded as big business party is generally correct. However, it is a statistical statement, not a statement of fact.
Let me demonstrate the difference. If you say sun rises in the east, that is a statement of fact. It means every day, year after year, century after century, sun will rise in the east without exception. That statement can then be used in further generalizations (e.g. if you see something rising in the west at dawn, it obviously cannot be the sun). Since it is a statement of fact, it can be applied to an individual case, an individual day.
However, when it comes to big business, it is not a statement of fact, it is a statistical statement. What that means is that maybe 60% or 70% of big businesses support Republican Party, 30 or 40% big businesses support Democratic party. So there are still plenty of big businesses who support the democratic party.
Your statement, “the average Democrat wouldn't understand the concept of continuous improvement.", was based upon the assumption that big business doesn’t support Democratic party is a statement of fact, not statistical statement. But it is a statistical statement, and it is always dangerous, nonsense to apply statistical conclusions to a particular case.
Again, let me give you an example. Men are taller than women, a true enough statement. Based upon that, can you say that the next man you see will be taller than next woman you see? You cannot.
It is the same here. The fact that a majority of big businesses support Republican party does not really say anything about whether an average Democrat would be familiar with the concept of continuous improvement. All that means is that if you took say, 100,000 democrats, perhaps 20,000 may be familiar with the concept, while out of 100,000 Republicans, maybe 70 or 80,000 will be familiar with the concept.
But it says nothing whatever about any particular Democrat, any more than you can see with any certainty that the next man you see will be taller than the next woman you see.
I hope that clarifies the matter.
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009
Important phrases to practice:
I didn't say that.
I said that, but I didn't mean that, I meant this.
You said this, but you really meant that.
This and that are almost the same anyway.
Don't be pedantic.
I didn't say that.
I said that, but I didn't mean that, I meant this.
You said this, but you really meant that.
This and that are almost the same anyway.
Don't be pedantic.
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Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter
Eh??No, it doesn’t have a whiff of logic. Your statement that Democrats are not generally regarded as big business party is generally correct. However, it is a statistical statement, not a statement of fact.
Quote has been trimmed, See full post:
Let me demonstrate the difference. If you say sun rises in the east, that is a statement of fact. It means every day, year after year, century after century, sun will rise in the east without exception. That statement can then be used in further generalizations (e.g. if you see something rising in the west at dawn, it obviously cannot be the sun). Since it is a statement of fact, it can be applied to an individual case, an individual day.
However, when it comes to big business, it is not a statement of fact, it is a statistical statement. What that means is that maybe 60% or 70% of big businesses support Republican Party, 30 or 40% big businesses support Democratic party. So there are still plenty of big businesses who support the democratic party.
Your statement, “the average Democrat wouldn't understand the concept of continuous improvement.", was based upon the assumption that big business doesn’t support Democratic party is a statement of fact, not statistical statement. But it is a statistical statement, and it is always dangerous, nonsense to apply statistical conclusions to a particular case.
Again, let me give you an example. Men are taller than women, a true enough statement. Based upon that, can you...
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#29
Re: Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party
Dec 22nd, 2009
If you don’t understand the difference between statistical statement (men are taller than women, or big businesses support Republican Party) and statement of fact (sun rises in the East, or men cannot get pregnant), let us just drop the whole thing.
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