Illegal Aliens - Jail Population

ironsides

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Since so many illegal aliens are in American jails, how about just deporting them to where they came from.


Imprisoned Illegal Aliens Should Be Deported


Monday, August 31, 2009 4:25 PM

By: Ed Koch (x mayor of New York City)


I have a proposal which I hope the Obama administration will consider and implement.
Immediately, or as soon as possible, the United States should deport all illegal aliens who are in federal and state prisons, and in our municipal jails, to their countries of origin. In 2005, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) issued a report on the number of illegal aliens incarcerated in the United States.
The report stated, “They were arrested for a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses, averaging about 13 offenses per illegal alien. One arrest incident may include multiple offenses, a fact that explains why there are nearly one and half times more offenses than arrests. Almost all of these illegal aliens were arrested for more than 1 offense. Slightly more than half of the 55,322 illegal aliens had between 2 and 10 offenses. About 45 percent of all offenses were drug or immigration offenses. About 15 percent were property-related offenses such as burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft and property damage. About 12 percent were for violent offenses such as murder, robbery, assault, and sex-related crimes. The balance was for such other offenses as traffic violations, including driving under the influence; fraud — including forgery and counterfeiting; weapons violations; and obstruction of justice. Eighty percent of all arrests occurred in three states — California, Texas, and Arizona. Specifically, about 58 percent of all arrests occurred in California, 14 percent in Texas, and 8 percent in Arizona.”

The GAO reported that the number of convicted criminal aliens incarcerated in federal prison on Dec. 27, 2003 was 46,063, and the number incarcerated in state prisons and local jails was 262,105.

According to the Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform, “Today, criminal aliens account for about 30 percent of the inmates in federal prisons and 15-25 percent in many local jails. Incarceration costs to the taxpayers were estimated by the Justice Department in 2002 to be $891 million for federal prison inmates and $624 million for inmates in state prisons [annually].” Every year, about 600,000 of those incarcerated, not limited to illegal aliens, are released and within three years, two-thirds become recidivists and are back in prison.
My proposal would make many of these people the problems of their countries of origin. Those countries would be given the authority to return them to prison, fine them, place them on probation or free them.
Since many of these people are drug offenders, and Mexico and several other Latin American countries have changed their laws and decriminalized the personal use and possession of hard drugs like cocaine and heroin, many of those turned over to them who received harsh Rockefeller drug laws sentences of four to 16 years may qualify in Mexico and elsewhere for instant release.
Why should we care? In the Netherlands, they legally sell marijuana in coffee shops. Each country today makes its own rules, irrespective of international treaties governing the issue. Our approach to controlling drug use is certainly not a phenomenal success that would allow us to lecture the rest of the world on how to control substance abuse.

Of course, a determination would have to be made on not releasing those who were convicted of acts of terror against the United States, who remain a danger to us. Even there we have released to friendly countries those we considered terrorists and seen them released, rather than serving out their prison terms in their country of origin. There would need to be special U.S. courts provided where applications could be heard from those believing that they should not be expelled because of special circumstances and mitigating factors such as family, particularly American-born children and American spouses in the U.S. There should be provision for hearings and right of appeal to a federal circuit court. I suggest the rules of evidence be softened so as to allow hearsay evidence to make it easier for the individual being expelled to their own country to make their case for the application of compassion or simply to correct facts.

If it is possible to do this by administrative action and as quickly as possible, I would hope President Barack Obama would take that course. If it is not solely within his power, then the president should ask the Congress to provide him with the powers needed.

The State of California has been ordered by a federal circuit court to reduce its prison population by 40,000 inmates within two years. If it does not, California may face the situation when it will be forbidden by federal court order from imprisoning any new persons until it has reduced its prison population by that number. We know that California has just seen a prison riot which injured hundreds of inmates — mostly by the acts of other inmates — and attributed by many commentators to overcrowding and racism exhibited by the inmates towards one another. If the Congress cannot by law place the state prison systems into this program, then allow states the option of participating.

Perhaps there are states who will not want to participate and would prefer keeping the illegal aliens in their state prisons and jails, ultimately to be freed and allowed to return to society, but I doubt it. I don’t expect to see those who believe in the concept of open borders join me in supporting this proposal. Those who believe that illegal aliens are simply migrants with the right to come and go across borders as they choose, those who are opposed to our building a security fence on our borders to help control them, and those who believe Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano is currently too harsh in arresting illegal aliens in their workplaces will oppose those proposals as well.

Nevertheless, I believe the proposal is reasonable and practical. Why didn’t people think of it a long time ago? They probably did and the country wasn’t ready for it. Today, we are.




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VanIsle

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Myself and others have been saying this for a long time but there are many bleeding heart Canadians (and I'm sure it's the same in the USA) that believe just the opposite.
 

Cliffy

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Which islands did the US test nuclear bombs in the south Pacific? Send them all there. Take a page out of the British history and create a penal colony where escape is near impossible. No guards necessary. Just give them agricultural hand tools and a bunch of seeds and wish them luck. That should save billions.
 

china

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Cliffy

No guards necessary. Just give them agricultural hand tools and a bunch of seeds and wish them luck. That should save billions. __________________________

...the Christian way!
 

ironsides

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I like what mayor Koch said, just send them back to their own countries and let them deal with them, were not talking about those who committed murder or some other serious crime.
 

DurkaDurka

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Drop the whole war on drugs as well and you would find your jails to be significantly less crowded. That would probably upset the private prison industry though...
 

ironsides

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Just let the Zombies walk around here? Again back to Koch, export them to places that tolerate it. Doesn't matter they are citizens or not.
 

DurkaDurka

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Just let the Zombies walk around here? Again back to Koch, export them to places that tolerate it. Doesn't matter they are citizens or not.

Illegal immigrants receive due process though, correct? I don't think it's just as simple as deporting a couple million illegal immigrants.
 

YukonJack

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Ed Koch is a Democrat with honesty and conscience.

With a large dose of Patriotism.

Fotr that he - no doubt - will earn the scorn of liberal Democrats who have none.
 

Nuggler

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Cliffy

No guards necessary. Just give them agricultural hand tools and a bunch of seeds and wish them luck. That should save billions. __________________________

...the Christian way!


TOO rich; or just a bullet in the head.........the Chinese way.

The French have a few island penal colonies no longer in use. Probably could rent them cheap.

Best == deportation. Imagine a front end loader pulling up to the Mexican border and dumping a few thousand loads of garbage back on Mexican soil.

The Canadian prisoners would love the idea; even if they had to swim the St. Lawrence.
 

Johnnny

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If the American people have had enough of Illegal Immigrants flooding the lower states, then the American People know whats best for themselves....

If they vote to curb the amount of immigration and deport the illegals, then thats what Americans want.

Theres nothing wrong with that... I know japan treats there immigrants like ****, but you wont hear anything about that cause most of everyone who is an arm chair liberal here is in love with there cartoons :)
 

ironsides

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Obama Wants 12 Million Illegals to Get Citizenship

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 1:18 PM

By: David A. Patten


A Barack Obama administration would be a “nation killer” if Democrats attain a “supermajority” in the Senate, a leading conservative figure on immigration warned Tuesday.
Obama also has said he wants to make the 12 million illegal aliens in the U.S. citizens as soon as he can — an amnesty program that would make them legally entitled to full government benefits, including Social Security and health care.
William Gheen, president of the Raleigh, N.C.-based Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC), says Obama’s plan would make it politically impossible to secure America’s borders. He describes Obama and a new Democratic Congress as a “worst-case scenario” for border and immigration security.
“I would paint that scenario as a nation killer,” Gheen, a former campaign consultant and an outspoken advocate for stronger border control policies, tells Newsmax. “I would expect amnesty to pass within a year. That means in the next presidential election, you will have a new voting bloc of 15 million illegal aliens who turn into voters.
“And that voting bloc,” he says, “especially in the Southwest United States, would be enough to take full control of most city, state, and county governments, thus destroying any future hopes for immigration enforcement or border security.”
Although GOP nominee John McCain has rarely confronted Obama during the campaign over immigration — presumably to avoid alienating Hispanic voters — Obama’s record reflects a clear focus on expanding entitlements to undocumented workers.
As a state senator in Illinois, for example, Obama co-sponsored that state’s version of the DREAM Act, which allowed youngsters in the country illegally to receive in-state tuition. He later supported similar legislation in the U.S. Senate.
During a September campaign swing, Obama told the North Carolina Public Radio station WUNC that the children of illegal immigrants should have an opportunity to attend community colleges.
“For us to deny them access to community college, even though they’ve never lived in Mexico, as least as far as they can tell, is to deny that this is how we’ve always built this country up,” Obama said.
According to the NewsObserver.com, the McCain campaign reacted to Obama’s remark by issuing the statement: “John McCain does not support amnesty or benefits for undocumented immigrants. He has consistently opposed giving amnesty or public benefits to undocumented immigrants.”
Obama, who tends to dismiss discussion of his pro-immigration positions as politically motivated “distractions,” has demonstrated no such reticence to expand entitlements for illegals. Specifically:

Obama’s plan for universal health care would include coverage for illegal immigrants, according to political strategist and Newsmax columnist Dick Morris. Morris has warned that covering illegals “adds dramatically” to the cost of universal health care.

In March, Obama voted to table a Senate amendment that would support the withdrawal of federal assistance “to sanctuary cities that ignore the immigration laws of the United States and create safe havens for illegal aliens and potential terrorists.” McCain did not cast a vote.

Obama supported the McCain-Kennedy immigration reform legislation that was defeated in 2006. Since then, McCain has taken the position that securing the borders must precede immigration reform. Obama continues to support a process to “bring people out of the shadows” and eventually obtain legal status (at which point they would be eligible for the federally mandated benefits available to anyone, such as Social Security). Obama also calls for enhanced border security.

The Democratic candidate for president supports, in principle, providing state-funded welfare benefits to legal immigrants. While a state senator, Obama supported allocating state funds to provide Medicaid coverage to some legal immigrants, according to OnTheIssues.org.

Obama has supported increasing the number of work visas issued each year, such as the H1-B visa, especially for applicants with specialized skills. According to OnTheIssues.org, Obama co-sponsored, along with New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, a bill that would provide federal funding to help states provide health care and education to non-U.S. citizens.

Obama strongly supports encouraging American children to become bilingual and, at one point in the campaign, appeared to suggest it should be mandatory. In June, he voted against a Senate provision that would declare English the national language of the United States. McCain voted for it.
Edward I. Nelson, the chairman of the nonprofit U.S. Border Control organization, warns that “Welfare and in-state tuition are powerful inducements to illegal immigration, as are free medical benefits.”
Nelson says his organization has awarded both Obama and McCain an “F” on their immigration and border control policies.
Gheen says Obama and McCain both would ultimately favor amnesty for illegals, albeit differently.
“Obama would give in-state tuition and driver’s licenses to illegal aliens, then make them legal,” Gheen says. “McCain would make them legal, and then give them in-state tuition and driver’s licenses.”
 

normbc9

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If California put the illegals out of their prison system the overcrowding issue would be solved for them. But, that is too practical. Their legislature likes to fight verbally and this just gives them one more topic to verbally fight over.
 

gopher

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''Eighty percent of all arrests occurred in three states — California, Texas, and Arizona. Specifically, about 58 percent of all arrests occurred in California, 14 percent in Texas, and 8 percent in Arizona.”


There are MILLIONS of illegals in the NYC area from Europe and Koch never lifted a finger to remove them when he was in office.
 

FUBAR

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What about the ones not in prison? They do all the crap jobs for low pay nobody else will do and they pay taxes. For every illegal in prison there are probably 20 more without who the American economy would collapse. The only way to stop them is to make the penalty for hiring them so severe that they would never get a job. Watch "A Day Without Mexicans" ...

YouTube - A Day Without a Mexican Trailer

;-)
 

ironsides

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''Eighty percent of all arrests occurred in three states — California, Texas, and Arizona. Specifically, about 58 percent of all arrests occurred in California, 14 percent in Texas, and 8 percent in Arizona.”


There are MILLIONS of illegals in the NYC area from Europe and Koch never lifted a finger to remove them when he was in office.


Be more accurate, Mexico, Central and South America, Russia. Europeans excluding Russia are pretty much in the minority. New York police do not make a point of going after them unless they commit a crime. As for Koch going after them, it was a different time.
 

gopher

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''Europeans excluding Russia are pretty much in the minority.''


Minority but well over one million. They take jobs, create crimes, use up social services, and fail to pay taxes like other illegals. In NYC, there are far more illegals from Russia than from Haiti. Police have been seen rounding up Haitians, kicking or clubbing them, dragging them through the streets in massive arrests. But you NEVER see the cops doing that to Russians or other Europeans in NYC.


As for Koch, he was mayor until 1988 or '89 when Reagan, who allowed in millions of illegals, was in the White House. He could have done to the Russians and Europeans what he and the cops did to Haitians. But he refused to do so and this was openly discussed back then.