Another Hypocrite Bites Dust!!!


SirJosephPorter
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Well, another self appointed guardian of peoples’ morals, another hypocrite has been exposed.

Senator John Ensign (Republican, Nevada) has admitted to having an affair with his staffer. Ensign is a typical Republican, self righteous, mealy mouthed, telling other people how they should live their lives. This is what he had to say about Clinton in 1998 (he was in the House at that time).

"In 1998, while running for the Nevada’s senate seat against Harry Reid, Ensign called on President Clinton to resign in light of his admitted affair with former White House intern Monica Lewinsky:

“I came to that conclusion recently, and frankly it’s because of what he put his whole Cabinet through and what he has put the country through,” Ensign said Thursday, becoming the first member of the Nevada delegation to call for Clinton to quit. “He has no credibility left.”



And he was just getting started. He has been a leading conservative voice in the Senate, since he was elected to the Senate in 2000 (and again in 2006). This is what he had to say about Senator Larry ‘wide stance’ Craig, after Craig was caught in a homosexual act in Minnesota airport bathroom.

Since his election to the Senate in 2000, Ensign has been a leading conservative voice who demanded the resignation of former Idaho Sen. Larry Craig in September 2007. Ensign called Craig a “disgrace” after he was arrested in June 2007 in an airport men’s restroom on disorderly conduct charges. And he called upon him to resign.

Ensign has also been an ardent opponent of gay marriage. In Feb. 2004, Ensign announced his support for an amendment to the Constitution that would have defined marriage as a union between a man and a woman. Ensign said the amendment, which ultimately failed, was necessary to protect “the institution of marriage“:

So basically he is another Larry Craig. Anyway, since he has been so judgmental, so willing to condemn others, so uptight about politicians such as Clinton getting caught in an affair, since he called for their resignation, is Ensign himself talking of resigning? Don’t you believe it.

The guardians of peoples’ moral always have a different standard for themselves. So while Ensign thought that Clinton and Craig should resign, he has said that he will not resign. I think Nevada is a solidly Republican state (and conservatives don’t have any problem with hypocrisy, many of them don’t even understand the concept), so I assume he wouldn’t’ have any difficulty getting reelected in 2012.

But it is always a delicious irony when a card carrying member of the religious right, extreme right is exposed as a hypocrite.

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talloola
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what goes around comes around, and , another one bites the dust.
 
lone wolf
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Finger pointers forget there are three pointing back
 
Cannuck
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You've lost me. What exactly did he say that is hypocritical?
 
lone wolf
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Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

You've lost me. What exactly did he say that is hypocritical?

My guess is he got some num-nums somebody else didn't....
 
SirJosephPorter
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Quote: Originally Posted by talloolaView Post

what goes around comes around, and , another one bites the dust.

They never learn, Talloola. They preach one way of life and themselves live an entirely different way. Considering how fallible human nature is, you would think that they would stop preaching to the others, they would stop trying to impose their morality upon others (by preaching abstinence, banning abortions, banning gay marriages, by calling for resignation other politicians involved in scandals etc.). But they happily continue preaching the message of ‘do as I say, not as I do’.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorterView Post

They never learn, Talloola. They preach one way of life and themselves live an entirely different way. Considering how fallible human nature is, you would think that they would stop preaching to the others, they would stop trying to impose their morality upon others (by preaching abstinence, banning abortions, banning gay marriages, by calling for resignation other politicians involved in scandals etc.). But they happily continue preaching the message of ‘do as I say, not as I do’.

Sounds rather like a socialist. They tend to have two sets of rules as well.
Glad he got caught though. Was the staffer male or female?
 
A4NoOb
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I'm still not understanding how calling out on Lary Craig was hypocritical.
 
talloola
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Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorterView Post

They never learn, Talloola. They preach one way of life and themselves live an entirely different way. Considering how fallible human nature is, you would think that they would stop preaching to the others, they would stop trying to impose their morality upon others (by preaching abstinence, banning abortions, banning gay marriages, by calling for resignation other politicians involved in scandals etc.). But they happily continue preaching the message of ‘do as I say, not as I do’.

The republicans preach about their 'high moral values', I've heard it a thousand
times, just a line to suck in the 'sheep'. Would love to be a fly on the wall
with many of them, after that microphone is put away.
 
YukonJack
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The real hypocrit is one who defended Clinton every step of the way when Clinton defiled the Presidency and the Oval Office with an intern under the desk, and then lied under oath about it.

Sounds familar, SirJosephPorter? Brings back memories??
Last edited by YukonJack; Jun 17th, 2009 at 02:25 AM..
 
SirJosephPorter
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Quote: Originally Posted by A4NoObView Post

I'm still not understanding how calling out on Lary Craig was hypocritical.

Calling on Craig to resign and then not resigning for doing pretty much the same thing himself is hypocritical.

Ensign called for Clinton to resign, because Clinton had an affair with his intern. He called on Craig to resign because he was caught in a homosexual incidence. Now Ensign himself has been caught in a similar situation.

If he had any integrity, any honesty, he would resign. Not resigning is hypocritical in the extreme. But then as I said many conservatives don’t even understand the concept of hypocrisy (as your question suggests).
 
SirJosephPorter
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Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJackView Post

The real hypocrit is one who defended Clinton every step of the way when Clinton defiled the Presidency and the Oval Office with an intern under the desk, and then lied under oath about it.

Sounds familar, SirJosephPorter? Brings back memories??

Regarding Clinton incidence, let me see how many hypocrites I can recall.

There was Rep. Henry Hyde, the chairman of the committee which voted to impeach Clinton (in a purely partisan, politically motivated vote). Then it turned out that Hyde himself had fathered a child out of wedlock.

There was Gingrich, of course, the biggest hypocrite of them all. While he was ranting and raving against Clinton, wagging his finger at Clinton in a self righteous rage for having an affair with his intern, it turned out that Gingrich himself was doing exactly the same thing, having an affair with his intern.

Now we have Ensign, who demanded that Clinton resign. Now he has been caught doing pretty much the same thing himself, he has admitted to having sex with his staffer.



No doubt there are a few more which escape me at present.


Looking back, it is really comical to see all these stern Patriarchs of Republican Party, wagging their fingers at Clinton in admonition, while they have been helping themselves liberally to sex from their subordinates.
 
pgs
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Men and women have been having sex since the beginning of time.
Hard to believe but true,married unmarried with their spouse and with others.
There is nothing new here.Even polititions have sex,amazing .
I learn so much reading these boards.Yawn
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorterView Post

Calling on Craig to resign and then not resigning for doing pretty much the same thing himself is hypocritical.

Ensign called for Clinton to resign, because Clinton had an affair with his intern. He called on Craig to resign because he was caught in a homosexual incidence. Now Ensign himself has been caught in a similar situation.

If he had any integrity, any honesty, he would resign. Not resigning is hypocritical in the extreme. But then as I said many conservatives don’t even understand the concept of hypocrisy (as your question suggests).

If Ensign called on people to resign based on an extramarital affair then it would be hypocritical. As of yet, you haven't provided any evidence of that. Clinton lied to congress and used the oval office for his romps. Craig was a homosexual trying to pick up men in a public bathroom. Not liking Ensign does not make him a hypocrite.
 
SirJosephPorter
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Quote: Originally Posted by pgsView Post

Men and women have been having sex since the beginning of time.
Hard to believe but true,married unmarried with their spouse and with others.
There is nothing new here.Even polititions have sex,amazing .
I learn so much reading these boards.Yawn

Indeed pgs, and conservative hypocrisy also has been with us from the beginning of times. Self appointed guardians of people’s morals, such as Gingrich, Ensign etc. have been preaching to the people since times immemorial how people should live their lives, while they themselves live to a different (and more relaxed standard).

So you are right, conservative hypocrisy is nothing new. All the same it is poetic justice when a far right, self righteous politicians is once again caught in the tangles web of hypocrisy.
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorterView Post

Indeed pgs, and conservative hypocrisy also has been with us from the beginning of times. Self appointed guardians of people’s morals, such as Gingrich, Ensign etc. have been preaching to the people since times immemorial how people should live their lives, while they themselves live to a different (and more relaxed standard).

So you are right, conservative hypocrisy is nothing new. All the same it is poetic justice when a far right, self righteous politicians is once again caught in the tangles web of hypocrisy.

It's not just conservatives that are hypocritical, it's people in general.
 
lone wolf
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...so ... uh ... what are YOU hiding? Karma gonna getcha.... Glass houses ... stones....
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

...so ... uh ... what are YOU hiding? Karma gonna getcha.... Glass houses ... stones....

Laughing here. He does have an unhealthy concern with the sex lives of the GOP.
 
grumpydigger
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Republicans are both EVIL and hypocritical , you dont have to pick one.........maybe ad two faced to that also.....................
 
SirJosephPorter
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

It's not just conservatives that are hypocritical, it's people in general.

Not all people can be considered hypocritical, TenPenny. Not all people tell others how they should live their lives. If somebody does not preach to others, he is not guilty of hypocrisy.

Thus if a pro choice woman gets an abortion, she is not guilty of hypocrisy. But if a prolife woman gets an abortion (and there are plenty of prolife women who do get an abortion, if abortion clinics are to be believed), she is guilty of hypocrisy.

In the same way, if a liberal politician (who does not preach to others how they should live their lives) commits adultery, he is guilty of just that, adultery. Thus when it turned out that John Edwards had committed adultery, nobody accused him of being a hypocrite.

However, when a conservative (who preaches to others how they should live their lives) commits adultery, he is guilty of hypocrisy and of adultery. Thus Gingrich, Larry Craig or Ensign are guilty of adultery as well as hypocrisy (since they spent most of their political lives telling others not to commit adultery, to live virtuous lives according to the Bible).
 
talloola
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Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJackView Post

The real hypocrit is one who defended Clinton every step of the way when Clinton defiled the Presidency and the Oval Office with an intern under the desk, and then lied under oath about it.

Sounds familar, SirJosephPorter? Brings back memories??

The point here is, the dems don't go around preaching and standing 'supposedly'
on a higher ground, talking about their high moral integrity compared to
everyone else, THEN, make their mistakes, and do their bad deeds, dems are
people just like all people, some good and some not so good.
The republicans constantly try to pull the people to them, talking of their
goodness in the world, their 'values'?, if they would just keep their big mouthes
shut concerning that part of life, they wouldn't be laughed at so much when
they, (more than the dems), behave in a disgusting manner.
 
lone wolf
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They're the self-righteous people who tend to ignore the folks they can't talk over....
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by talloolaView Post

The point here is, the dems don't go around preaching and standing 'supposedly'
on a higher ground, talking about their high moral integrity compared to
everyone else, THEN, make their mistakes, and do their bad deeds, dems are
people just like all people, some good and some not so good.
The republicans constantly try to pull the people to them, talking of their
goodness in the world, their 'values'?, if they would just keep their big mouthes
shut concerning that part of life, they wouldn't be laughed at so much when
they, (more than the dems), behave in a disgusting manner.

Sure they do...it is just not big news.

They are doing it now. Whenever a GOP Pol gets nailed this is how the Dems act and whenever a Lib Dem gets nailed the GOP acts as they do. No difference...it is all about shaming the other side.
 
Niflmir
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Sure they do...it is just not big news.

They are doing it now. Whenever a GOP Pol gets nailed this is how the Dems act and whenever a Lib Dem gets nailed the GOP acts as they do. No difference...it is all about shaming the other side.

I think Talloola's point is that the Democrats shame the Republicans by pointing out their hypocricy. The fact that they are having an affair isn't the issue for the democrats. That is pat on the back worthy.
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorterView Post

Not all people can be considered hypocritical, TenPenny. Not all people tell others how they should live their lives. If somebody does not preach to others, he is not guilty of hypocrisy.

You just can't understand the English language, can you?

I didn't say 'all people', I said 'people in general'.

If you're going to nitpick what I say, you should, at the very least, have some basic comprehension skills, say at a high school level.

You do this over and over again.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by NiflmirView Post

I think Talloola's point is that the Democrats shame the Republicans by pointing out their hypocricy. The fact that they are having an affair isn't the issue for the democrats. That is pat on the back worthy.

Not so true. When Clarence Thomas was going through his Supreme Court Hearings the Democrats found out that he rented videos. They wanted to get the list to see if he had rented porn so that they could shame him.

Sen Ted Kennedy led the charge against Clarence Thomas with the Anita Hill accusations. Teddy, the man who had a fling with Mary Jo Kopechne and drove her into a watery grave and took off leaving her to drown was the champion of moral values in those hearings seeking to electronically lynch an African American jurist.

Who was being hypocritical.

It's all about shaming the other party.
 
SirJosephPorter
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Quote: Originally Posted by NiflmirView Post

I think Talloola's point is that the Democrats shame the Republicans by pointing out their hypocricy. The fact that they are having an affair isn't the issue for the democrats. That is pat on the back worthy.


Niflmir, I remember an episode from the comedy show ‘Dharma and Greg’. Greg was running for the city council. He was caught having sex in a car with a woman, and the reporters had a field day with it. Then it turned out that the woman was Dharma, his wife.

Bill Maher had a small cameo in it. He commented “I just cannot figure out this guy. He was having sex with his wife, so he clearly cannot be a Democrat. On the other hand, he was having sex, so he cannot be a Republican.”
 
SirJosephPorter
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Sure they do...it is just not big news.

They are doing it now. Whenever a GOP Pol gets nailed this is how the Dems act and whenever a Lib Dem gets nailed the GOP acts as they do. No difference...it is all about shaming the other side.

EagleSmack, I just heard in the news that Ensign has stepped down from the chairmanship of a Congressional committee (apparently he was chairman of some committee). So he did pay a price for his hypocrisy.

If this had been a Democratic Senator having sex with his staffer, I doubt that he would have to step down. As Niflmir pointed out, it is the hypocrisy that is important, not the adultery. Adultery is not illegal; it is between him and his wife.
 
SirJosephPorter
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Not so true. When Clarence Thomas was going through his Supreme Court Hearings the Democrats found out that he rented videos. They wanted to get the list to see if he had rented porn so that they could shame him.

Sen Ted Kennedy led the charge against Clarence Thomas with the Anita Hill accusations. Teddy, the man who had a fling with Mary Jo Kopechne and drove her into a watery grave and took off leaving her to drown was the champion of moral values in those hearings seeking to electronically lynch an African American jurist.

Who was being hypocritical.

It's all about shaming the other party.

That had nothing to do with hypocrisy, EagleSmack. Thomas was being considered for the Supreme Court and it was the duty of all the Senators to enquire into his credentials for it.

That had nothing to do with hypocrisy. If Kenney et al had been guilty of some objectionable conduct; their constituents will deal with it. Same as Thomas’ constituents (in this case the Senators) had to deal with his credentials.

Incidentally, I still don’t think he should have been confirmed. He is the most loyal Republican on the bench; he simply closes his eyes and votes Republican on each and every issue. Thus when the Texas Sodomy law was before the Supreme Court (which made sodomy a crime punishable by ten years of imprisonment), Thomas again closed his eyes and voted the official Republican Party line, he voted to uphold the law. Fortunately other Justices were not so partisan, the law was struck down.

In my opinion, Thomas is the weakest member of the bench; I think he was confirmed just because he was black. At least a few Senators were guilted into voting for him. Had he been white, he would have suffered the same fate as Robert Bork.
 
SirJosephPorter
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Surfing the net, I learned something new about Ensign. Apparently he is a member of the extreme right wing Fundamentalist group Promise Keepers.

So he officially belongs to religious right, he is a card carrying member. Now, why doesn’t that surprise me?

Anyway, I know a little bit about promise keepers. It is a Fundamentalist Christian, men only organization. It is dedicated to the principle of male superiority (as championed by the Bible, of course). One of its basic tenets is that man is the master of the house, and his wife must be submissive, subservient to him.

So I suppose it would make sense for a member of the Promise keepers to commit adultery. According to the Bible, man is the boss, wife is his subordinate. So naturally the boss can do whatever he wants, his subordinate has no right to question him.

So Ensign not only joins the ranks of Gingrich, Mark Foley, Larry Craig etc., but he also joins the ranks of Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Ted Haggard etc. What a piece of goods.
 

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