Michelle Obama: The Perfect Role Model for Third World Women?

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This is an angle that had not occurred to me before; it came as a revelation to me. But it makes perfect sense; Michelle is a very good role model for many third world women.

In many countries (like India), the darker the woman, the more she is looked down upon. In general women enjoy a lower status than men, but darker the woman, less highly she is regarded, the lighter the woman in color, better off she is (she will get a richer husband, will enjoy higher standard of living etc.).

But here is Michelle; she is as dark as they come. Yet she does not suffer a second class status, her husband does not look down on her for being dark.

A greater shame, ignominy a woman in the third world can suffer is to have no sons, have only daughters. This prejudice is universal, all pervading in the third world. Indeed, I remember something my Indian friend told me. He knows of two old women in his village. Both had three daughters each. Yet one looks down on the other. Why? Because one woman did have sons, but they all died in infancy (infant mortality was high in the old days). So she had both sons and daughters, but only daughters survived. But the other woman had only three daughters, she didn’t have any sons. So the first woman considers herself to be the better person and looks down on the other. Indeed, it is routine in some parts of India to abort the fetus if it is female.

But here is Michele Obama with two daughters. It doesn’t bother her, it doesn’t bother her husband, it doesn’t bother anybody. She continues to enjoy high status in the country.

So I can understand why she is a role model to third world women the world over. Those who focus on Michelle Obama's impact on America are underestimating her reach. The first lady is inspiring women of color around the globe to look at themselves, and America, in fresh ways.

"She might be the first woman of color that females in male-dominated countries have seen as confident, bright, educated, articulate and persuasive," says Barbara Perry, author of "Jacqueline Kennedy: First Lady of the New Frontier."

Reverby says this is the first time many women have seen their class and color reflected in America's first lady

Thu Nguyen, a native of Vietnam, wasn't at the London school, but she experienced a similar sense of elation when Obama became first lady.

in her native country, she says women "are not human beings." But when Obama became the first lady, Nguyen called her niece and told her that any hard-working woman could become the first.


Vietnamese women can identify with Michelle Obama, Nguyen says.
Sue Mbaya of Nairobi, Kenya, says the first lady inspires African woman to assert themselves in their personal and professional lives.


Many African women are conditioned to be subservient, she says. They're prevented from rising to management positions in the workplace, and their families often relegate them to taking care of household tasks while sending their brothers off to school.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/28/first.lady/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/28/first.lady/index.html

Anyway, it is a long article, you may read it here. But it is possible that Michelle will inspire third world women like no other woman before her. Her impact will probably be bigger than the impact Hilary would have had, if she had become the President.
 

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It's true that she would and does inspire women but the problem requires inspired men who so far have been kept busy with other things. Women have had real power in the past, something always happens, usually god.
There are many millions of women who know the hollowness of the suggested model regardless of colour or ethnicity or class. I think she's far more important a model to the west to you to the young starving univercity students and the womens ski jumping teams. Just a while ago FL Laura Bush was being flogged in the same tacky manner same article I think one of those blanks you can buy. She was going to lay the love on scholl children all accross America and inspire the world to follow in the long steps of the yankee model of child management, what did they get, cardboard maccoroni. Have you got the inaugural dinner set yet?:smile:
 
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It's true that she would and does inspire women but the problem requires inspired men who so far have been kept busy with other things. Women have had real power in the past, something always happens, usually god.


Quite right, Darkbeaver. Many of the old religions were matriarchal in nature. They were replaced by the Patriarchal religions of Hinduism, Islam and Christianity. Even in old Greek and Roman religion, there are God and Goddesses.


But there are no Goddesses in the mainstream religions today. There are a few in Hinduism, but they take their divinity from their husbands, there is no ‘unmarried’ Goddess in Hinduism.


The medieval witch burnings in Europe were partly to root out the independent minded women from the society. Church did not have any influence over witches, so it made sense for the Church to burn them and to kill them.


Islam, of course regards women as little better than animals. In the eyes of Islam, one man is equal to two women.


So the Patriarchal God (who is supposed to be male, though it is never said so explicitly) has been extremely inimical to the status of women.
 

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Islam eh. Well SirJoe it's just thier turn maybe. Islam seems to be the root of all humanities problems eh. I bet the eradication of Islam would not advance the cause of women one millmeter and that the eradication of private banking would liberate them in the billions and we as a species would have moved toward restoration of the balance of power of humanity.
As a species we are to stupid to realize that every decision of the community must have the manditory natural input of women that is where the greater efficiencys came from in the beginning.
 

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It's Ok though... lot's of liberals are closet racists. Your whole article drips of it. The do-good liberal saying look how good Michelle is to the third world. It amounts to saying...

"Look how good our kitchen help is... she is a role model to the women in the fields and someone for them to look up to. And she is as dark as they come."
 

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It's Ok though... lot's of liberals are closet racists. Your whole article drips of it. The do-good liberal saying look how good Michelle is to the third world. It amounts to saying...

"Look how good our kitchen help is... she is a role model to the women in the fields and someone for them to look up to. And she is as dark as they come."

Exactly.
 

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It's Ok though... lot's of liberals are closet racists. Your whole article drips of it. The do-good liberal saying look how good Michelle is to the third world. It amounts to saying...

"Look how good our kitchen help is... she is a role model to the women in the fields and someone for them to look up to. And she is as dark as they come."

I not too sure if you can say he's in the closet. Not two months ago he said that immigrants from certain parts of the world were not desirable. In SJP's defense, I don't think his intent is racist. He just has a habit of putting his mouth in gear...well, you know the score.

You are probably on his ignore list now.
 

SirJosephPorter

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It's Ok though... lot's of liberals are closet racists. Your whole article drips of it. The do-good liberal saying look how good Michelle is to the third world. It amounts to saying...

"Look how good our kitchen help is... she is a role model to the women in the fields and someone for them to look up to. And she is as dark as they come."


EagelSmack, racism is in the eye of the beholder. I don’t see what is racist in saying that Michelle is the perfect role model for oppressed down trodden women all over the world. But if you think it is racist, go right ahead.


Incidentally, CNN published the story, so I assume you think CNN (and Cafferty) are a bunch of racists. What a surprise that a conservative would think CNN to be a bunch of racists.


And only closet racists? If you are going to call somebody a racist, why not go the whole hog and call them racists? Why ‘closet’? So I assume you also think that President Obama and Michelle Obama are racists, since no doubt they are liberal.


So that is a new addition to the epithets that conservatives have called Obama, isn’t it? Let me list the various epithets the conservative have used to describe Obama.


Communist
Fascist
Nazi
Socialist
Islamic terrorist
Illegal alien
Hitler
Stalin
Mao? (I don’t think anybody has compared him to Mao or Pol Pot, but perhaps you might know).
And now, racist.

Is it any wonder that moderates like Senator Specter are leaving your party. Your party is being reduced to the rump of its former self, comprising mostly of right wingers and the far right. Calling Obama a racist is but a symptom of that.
 

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Yep, that's a pretty thin deflection... There are some things that you can't undo through deflection or by posting as many messages on other threads in hopes that the offending comment falls-off the boards.

(That only works if people like me don't keep reviving the thread to top spot)
 

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I not too sure if you can say he's in the closet. Not two months ago he said that immigrants from certain parts of the world were not desirable. In SJP's defense, I don't think his intent is racist. He just has a habit of putting his mouth in gear...well, you know the score.

You are probably on his ignore list now.

I am sure he means well and thinks what he is saying is just fine. But basically he judged her from her "dark as anyone" skin color as opposed to being a great First Lady. He said as a dark skin colored woman she is a role model to ALL poor dark skinned women as opposed to all women.

I guess the best test which would be is if he was to give a speech to the NAACP and read off exactly what he wrote...exactly... and see how it was received.
 

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No I am not saying CNN are a bunch of racist... but what you wrote drips of it.

You may have said it with well intent but it was said in ignorance. Not saying YOU are ignorant but ignorance of saying something like that which would... I assure you...be called racist if you were to present that to a People of Color audience. If you said...

"Michelle is as dark as they come"

Well... what do you think would happen?

Standing ovation... or something else?
 

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No I am not saying CNN are a bunch of racist... but what you wrote drips of it.

You may have said it with well intent but it was said in ignorance. Not saying YOU are ignorant but ignorance of saying something like that which would... I assure you...be called racist if you were to present that to a People of Color audience. If you said...

"Michelle is as dark as they come"

Well... what do you think would happen?

Standing ovation... or something else?

That is basically what CNN said, EagleSmack, I merely paraphrased it. Michelle is role model to the third world women precisely because she is so dark. If Hillary had been the president I doubt she would have had as much impact on third world women (though no doubt she would have been a better role model for North American women).

The women CNN talked to identified with Michelle because she looks like them. All her other qualities (educated, intelligent, smart, assertive, confident of herself etc.) would not have amounted to a whole lot if she had been white, at least not in the eyes of the third world women.

An important part of the reason why third world women identify with her is that she is dark skinned, like it or not.

And you don’t think CNN are a bunch of racists? Didn’t you say that many liberals are closet racists? Surely CNN is a liberal network (in your opinion anyway). Obamas also are liberal (in just about everybody’s opinion). Then aren’t’ you saying that CNN and Obamas are racist? Or do you exclude them from “lot’s of liberals” (your words)?

Anyway, what I said (about Michelle being dark skinned) is what CNN said, I merely paraphrased it. If you think that is racist, take it up with CNN (or with NAACP).
 

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That is basically what CNN said, EagleSmack, I merely paraphrased it. Michelle is role model to the third world women precisely because she is so dark. If Hillary had been the president I doubt she would have had as much impact on third world women (though no doubt she would have been a better role model for North American women).

Oh come now... are you blaming CNN for what YOU wrote?

See the red highlighted words up above... racial over tones for sure. Judging her by the color of her skin and not the content of her character.

Sound familiar?

The women CNN talked to identified with Michelle because she looks like them. All her other qualities (educated, intelligent, smart, assertive, confident of herself etc.) would not have amounted to a whole lot if she had been white, at least not in the eyes of the third world women.

An important part of the reason why third world women identify with her is that she is dark skinned, like it or not.

Oh... that sounds racist too.

And you don’t think CNN are a bunch of racists?

Nope

Didn’t you say that many liberals are closet racists?

Yup

Surely CNN is a liberal network (in your opinion anyway).

It is and I bet many of them are in my opinion. Not all though.

Obamas also are liberal (in just about everybody’s opinion). Then aren’t’ you saying that CNN and Obamas are racist? Or do you exclude them from “lot’s of liberals” (your words)?

The Obama's may very well be as they attended Rev. White's church. Rev. White is clearly a racist. Not really sure though.

Anyway, what I said (about Michelle being dark skinned) is what CNN said, I merely paraphrased it. If you think that is racist, take it up with CNN (or with NAACP).

No... I am taking it up with you because YOU said it. YOU wrote it. Are you just a mouth piece for CNN now?

Have some integrity.

These were your words and your thoughts.
 

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No... I am taking it up with you because YOU said it. YOU wrote it. Are you just a mouth piece for CNN now?

Sure I was, EagelSmack. I was posting a thread based upon an article on CNN. Is that so surprising that I quoted from the article?

Have you read the article? Or are you just arguing with me without reading the article? The article says that third world women relate to Obama because she looks like them, because she is dark skinned. Since I was posting a thread based upon that article, yes, I was a mouthpiece for the purposes of the thread.

If you haven’t read the article, I suggest you read it first. I was paraphrasing what CNN said. If you think that is racist, take it up with CNN, not with me (though I agree with what CNN says).