America's Medicated Army

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Seven months after Sergeant Christopher LeJeune started scouting Baghdad's dangerous roads — acting as bait to lure insurgents into the open so his Army unit could kill them — he found himself growing increasingly despondent.
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He recalls the order his unit got after a nighttime firefight to roll back out and collect the enemy dead. When LeJeune and his buddies arrived, they discovered that some of the bodies were still alive. "You don't always know who the bad guys are," he says. "When you search someone's house, you have it built up in your mind that these guys are terrorists, but when you go in, there's little bitty tiny shoes and toys on the floor — things like that started affecting me a lot more than I thought they would."
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So LeJeune visited a military doctor in Iraq, who, after a quick session, diagnosed depression. The doctor sent him back to war armed with the antidepressant Zoloft and the antianxiety drug clonazepam. "It's not easy for soldiers to admit the problems that they're having over there for a variety of reasons," LeJeune says. "If they do admit it, then the only solution given is pills."

a sizable and growing number of U.S. combat troops are taking daily doses of antidepressants to calm nerves strained by repeated and lengthy tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.

12% of combat troops in Iraq and 17% of those in Afghanistan are taking prescription antidepressants or sleeping pills to help them cope. ... about 20,000 troops in Afghanistan and Iraq were on such medications last fall.

The U.S. Army also used amphetamines during the Vietnam War.

The increase in the use of medication among U.S. troops suggests the heavy mental and psychological price being paid by soldiers fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The mental trauma has become so common that the Pentagon may expand the list of "qualifying wounds" for a Purple Heart — historically limited to those physically injured on the battlefield — to include post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).

Using drugs to cope with battlefield traumas is not discussed much outside the Army, but inside the service it has been the subject of debate for years.

"Medication can, however, alleviate some debilitating and nearly intolerable symptoms of combat and operational stress injuries" and "help restore personnel to full functioning capacity."

...any drug that keeps a soldier deployed and fighting also saves money on training and deploying replacements.

- it's possible that antidepressants and sleeping aids will be used to stretch an already taut force even tighter.

Joyce Raezer of the private National Military Family Association. "Boy, it's really nice to have these drugs," she recalls a military doctor saying, "so we can keep people deployed."

Professionals have their doubts. "Are we trying to bandage up what is essentially an insufficient fighting force?" asks Dr. Frank Ochberg...

(FDA) urged the makers of antidepressants to expand a 2004 "black box" warning that the drugs may increase the risk of suicide in children and adolescents. The agency asked for — and got — an expanded warning that included young adults ages 18 to 24, the age group at the heart of the Army.

The question now is whether there is a link between the increased use of the drugs in the Iraqi and Afghan theaters and the rising suicide rate in those places.

"The high percentage of U.S. soldiers attempting suicide after taking SSRIs should raise serious concerns," says Dr. Joseph Glenmullen of...

"And there's no question they're using them to prop people up in difficult circumstances."

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Tyr
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I guess it's a step up from Vietnam with Heroin
 
Scott Free
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Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loonView Post

Seven months after Sergeant Christopher LeJeune started scouting Baghdad's dangerous roads — acting as bait to lure insurgents into the open so his Army unit could kill them — he found himself growing increasingly despondent.

This made me lol - who wouldn't start to feel despondent being used as bate!

Seems like a perfectly normal reaction to me.
 
dancing-loon
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Quote: Originally Posted by TyrView Post

I guess it's a step up from Vietnam with Heroin

Heroin is readily available in Afghanistan.

It's easy for soldiers to score heroin in Afghanistan

Simultaneously stressed and bored, U.S. soldiers are turning to the widely available drug for a quick escape.
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Just outside the main gate to Bagram airfield, a U.S. military installation in Afghanistan, sits a series of small makeshift shops known by locals as the Bagram Bazaar. For Afghans, it is the place to buy American goods, but the stalls that make up the heart of the bazaar are also well known for what they provide American soldiers stationed at Bagram. Walking through the bazaar it takes less than 10 minutes for a vendor in his early 20s to step out and ask, "You want whiskey?" "No, heroin," I tell him. He ushers me into his store with a smile.

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Something new is being tried...Ecstasy!

American soldiers traumatized by fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan are to be offered the drug ecstasy to help free them of flashbacks and recurring nightmares.
The US food and drug administration has given the go-ahead for the soldiers to be included in an experiment to see if MDMA, the active ingredient in ecstasy, can treat post-traumatic stress disorder.


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Quote: Originally Posted by Scott FreeView Post

This made me lol - who wouldn't start to feel despondent being used as bate!

Seems like a perfectly normal reaction to me.

Yes, it is and I don't dispute that. I feel very sorry for these young men and angry at the big rich spoiled worthless top US leaders, who scrupulously use them for their war games. Both wars were not at all necessary! It shows how little common human life matters to them.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loonView Post


Something new is being tried...Ecstasy!

vid



The Russians tried it already... it didn't work so well.
Last edited by Scott Free; Jan 30th, 2009 at 01:07 AM..
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Scott FreeView Post

vid



The Russians tried it already... it didn't work so well.

They seem pretty ecstatic to me! Terrific mobility in their legs... must be one of the side-effects
 
dancing-loon
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Here is a helpful site to look up the many side effects of anti-depressants...

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In some people these drugs work in reverse and increase the symptoms!

Antidepressant warning signs

  • Suicidal thoughts or attempts
  • New or worse depression
  • New or worse anxiety
  • Aggression and anger
  • Acting on dangerous impulses
  • New or worse irritability
  • Feeling agitated or restless
  • Difficulty sleeping
  • Extreme hyperactivity
  • Other unusual changes in behavior
In my opinion Soldiers, who suffer from depression, anxiety, and suicidal thoughts, should be sent home for good and given counseling, instead of drugs. They are worth is!!
 
Scott Free
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My understanding is that there is no proof that depression is caused by a chemical imbalance; that is just a theory.

I have met a lot of people on these drugs and one thing that always strikes me is that their depressions seem mostly warranted.

It seems natural to be depressed sometimes, like in a war zone, and I don't think taking these drugs always is the best solution. It could be these soldiers need a break or to be taken out of rotation. Hard drugs is definitely the wrong choice IMO.
 
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The US troops are being "revolved" too often, with not enough time off the line.

Bound to mess one up.

Plus, there's no light at the end of the tunnel. No way to definitely WIN and go home. It just keeps going on.

Really bound to mess one up.

And, if any of the troops can think at all, they realize that they are just freakin pawns in the game, in an useless war, based on profit for Bushinkies buddies.

Maybe Obama will get them home. ?

Mehhhhh, it's about the OIL.
 
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Wow... what a far cry from what you said in a previous thread and I quote...

"All combat soldiers are given drugs and that is a known fact."

Do you see why you have no credibility?
Last edited by EagleSmack; Jan 30th, 2009 at 12:11 PM..
 
tracy
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Considering the fact that estimates put about 5% of the US population as depressed at any given time, it wouldn't surprise me that military figures reach 17%. Stress and experiencing losses increase depression rates for any group and right now they are prime candidates for those things.
 
Tyr
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Hmmm. where are they getting the anti-depressants?

"Number of all US veterns who have been denied Veterns Health Administration health care since 2003 : 452,677"

Harper's Jan/2009
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Wow... what a far cry from what you said in a previous thread and I quote...

"All combat soldiers are given drugs and that is a known fact."

Do you see why you have no credibility?


Hoooooo Me? Don't think so.

I have better reasons for no credibility......
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Scott FreeView Post

My understanding is that there is no proof that depression is caused by a chemical imbalance; that is just a theory.

I'm not an expert, but I have experienced myself how physical activity and having a goal, something to strive for and achieve does lift ones spirit markedly. Falling in love is a wonderful "drug" against depression! A broken heart works exactly the opposite way... it gets you into that dreaded black hole!

So, one could say depression causes a chemical imbalance in our brains.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by NugglerView Post

Hoooooo Me? Don't think so.

I have better reasons for no credibility......

This post wasn't directed at you Nugs.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Scott FreeView Post

My understanding is that there is no proof that depression is caused by a chemical imbalance; that is just a theory.

From what I've seen in research, it is most definitely caused by a brain/chemical imbalance, but, of such a complicated interplay of chemical and life factors for each individual that there's no point in trying to muck about and correct it chemically.

I actually was just watching a National Geographic documentary on stress this afternoon, and they were talking about dopamine suppression being a proven result of being a subordinate person. ie., low man on the totem pole. If you're the one getting crapped on by everyone above you, your brain actually reacts to the stress and makes you depressed.

It doesn't get much more crapped on, subordinate, low man on the totem pole than soldiers.
 
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We have a friend who is a bomber pilot. Acting under the info of certain "intelligence" people, her group was ordered to bomb a particular building in Iraq. As it turned out, it was a school. It has been a couple years or so and she still has nightmares.
There was a bit on the radio the other day that there have been suicides because some of the soldiers can't handle killing non-combatants. US Military command has its head stuffed up its 6.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loonView Post

So, one could say depression causes a chemical imbalance in our brains.

I would tend to agree with you... life factors, like I was talking about, directly impact the chemistry of our brains. But, where science would disagree with you is that you can go in and chemically tweak a person's brain to make them think they're happy, even if something bad like a breakup is taking place. As far as I'm concerned, they're so intertwined that the chicken and egg argument becomes a bit pointless though. Our brain chemistry is at the mercy of how we perceive the world around us. And how we perceive the world around us is at the mercy of our brain chemistry. It's a vicious cycle.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loonView Post

I'm not an expert, but I have experienced myself how physical activity and having a goal, something to strive for and achieve does lift ones spirit markedly. Falling in love is a wonderful "drug" against depression! A broken heart works exactly the opposite way... it gets you into that dreaded black hole!

So, one could say depression causes a chemical imbalance in our brains.

I agree that it does seem reasonable to think it does but that doesn't mean it does. I'm just not sure if the real evidence is there that these drugs do help. For one thing how could you measure the chemicals? I'm pretty sure the scientists use correlated and subjective data. So in reality this means these chemicals might seem to work but without knowing what is actually happening they might not really help and they could even do harm. For example: ask a pot smoker if smoking pot makes him happy and she'll probably say yes but that doesn't mean it does. It is doing something alright and some even claim pot is an antidepressant because her saying it makes her feel better is enough evidence! But what about her moodiness and drop in IQ? Maybe drug induced stupidity is what makes people happier? I'm just saying that without actually knowing what is going on doctors are just making guesses. Maybe they are good ones maybe not - I don't know and they don't know; no one knows. So I therefore think these drugs are too dangerous except in extreme cases. People are much better off changing their life style, addressing their issues and avoiding stresses.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

We have a friend who is a bomber pilot. Acting under the info of certain "intelligence" people, her group was ordered to bomb a particular building in Iraq. As it turned out, it was a school. It has been a couple years or so and she still has nightmares.
There was a bit on the radio the other day that there have been suicides because some of the soldiers can't handle killing non-combatants. US Military command has its head stuffed up its 6.

I don't see why a drug should help someone in her situation. If people didn't react like she did our species probably wouldn't be here. Sometimes we are just meant to feel crummy IMO.
 
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I have to agree, but then again, I don't have a degree in psychology. I was just pointing out that I can understand why there would be depression, suicides, drug use, etc. under those circumstances
 
tracy
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Feel crummy... I think clinical depression goes a bit beyond that. I have a friend who has been on anti-depressants for a long time. She should probably never go off them. For her, the problem isn't that something sad happens and makes her depressed. It's that she's depressed for no reason at all.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Scott FreeView Post

I don't see why a drug should help someone in her situation. If people didn't react like she did our species probably wouldn't be here. Sometimes we are just meant to feel crummy IMO.

Sometimes dealing with something is hard due to effects of pts (anxiety, guilt) that can worsen over time. Drugs are meant to aid in the entire process, not the solution (in many, many cases the causes for depression are external, not internal -chemical)
 
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Shovel it into them stuff every orifice bathe them in drugs of every kind the sooner they loose thier minds the sooner the murder of innocents will stop. Who cares about the soulless bastards anyway?
 
thomaska
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I got some Motrin once..when i was in iraq....obviously i had some ****ty docs if everyone else was gettin the good stuff..dammit all
 
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Do we Canadians not remember the "friendly fire" incident that killed four of our soldiers?

US pilots in friendly fire case `were given amphetamines'

Why?
To make them cocky and keep them awake longer, so they can fly longer?

Refresh your memory:
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What amphetamines can do:
A fatigued person, when he takes amphetamines, - shows a physical and mental boost. His fatigue subsides; strength returns to him. He is able to do physical work again, sometimes more than what he yields normally. He also shows an increased capacity to concentrate and think.
The user also feels gay, happy, up in spirit. Hence the popular names given to amphetamines: "pep pills," "jolly beans."
Unknown to abusers, however, is: amphetamines push them to a greater burning of energy than normal, much more than they realize. Utter fatigue often results, which usually goes undetected until it is too late. Herein lies a main danger of the "Up" drugs.
When amphetamines are "mainlined" or injected, an ecstatic "high" occurs. This buoyant and lifting feeling subsides after a few hours, however; to reproduce the hyper-stimulation, the abuser gets a re-injection, The cycle can go on for days until the abuser is physically and mentally exhausted.

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So... soldiers go artificially pumped up into battle! They feel no fear, no danger, no hunger, no tiredness, no anxiety or depression... until they crash.

They are given handfuls of these pep pills before they leave on a mission. I read that at the time of this incident.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Scott FreeView Post

....So I therefore think these drugs are too dangerous except in extreme cases. People are much better off changing their life style, addressing their issues and avoiding stresses.

They are dangerous and many are habit forming!
It would be nice, if one could just change ones lifestyle like ones underwear, but in most cases of depression that is not easy. Take rape and incest victims... it's probably for life.
Avoid stress? Why not avoid life?
To talk about the pain, the guilt, the failure...? Perhaps, once one has become an octogenarian one might have the insight and the strength and the forgiveness of self or others to talk about it.

Soldiers have to endure and keep going... hence they are provided with pills, when necessary.

I wonder how these two American pilots are dealing with the impact of this tragedy? Are they depressed? Are they on pills? I don't know.

??? why do I say "tragedy"?? Am I so conditioned already to think it is not a tragedy to kill enemy soldiers?? I guess I am... it's the name of the game; you go to war to kill the enemy!!!
What happened to "Thou shalt not kill"?
 

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