Can US afford a democrat at this time?

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In three weeks the American people have to decide on which man is best to lead the country during these hard economic times.

Obama is the best choice when the economy is in good shape because there is enough money to go around to fund the much-needed programs.

The world is on the verge of a depression and everybody has to go back to basics for a while until this is cleared up.

The Republican Party is the only ones that have the backbone to make the necessary cuts.

More people will lose their jobs because more consumers are going to cut out unnecessary spending.

Life will resemble times that was depicted on the Waltons TV show.

The government will have to answer to the taxpayer and most taxpayers just don’t want to pay for frivolous social programs.

America will have to get out of the world police business and let someone else take on that job.

US citizens have to realize that America is broke and when you can’t afford it you either cut back or you sink into the abyss.

When good times are here then you can gamble and try to make things better.

When times are tough you just can’t gamble.

Obama would have made a good president but he just came at the wrong time.
 
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Risus

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The Yankees are so stupid they put Bush in for a second term, so they are just as lokely to put obama in this time...
 

talloola

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You don't want the dems elected because they will spend too much, yet you think the
republicans should get back in so they can put the country in such a mess that you don't
want the democrats running it, so elect the republicans and go further and further down
the toilet, more money to Iraq, keep all of the military bomb factories, tank factories, etc
in business, but break everyone else.

Clinton brought the economy into very good standings.

What you suggest really makes sense.:roll::?::roll::?:
 

gopher

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"necessary cuts"

What cuts??



"US citizens have to realize that America is broke"

That only happens when there is a Republican in the White House.



"Obama ... came at the wrong time"


Had the USA stayed with the Democrats as they did under Clinton, none of this mess would have occurred.




 

Colpy

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"necessary cuts"

What cuts??



"US citizens have to realize that America is broke"

That only happens when there is a Republican in the White House.



"Obama ... came at the wrong time"


Had the USA stayed with the Democrats as they did under Clinton, none of this mess would have occurred.

Well, you're partly right..........the Republicans certainly have no claim on fiscal responsibility up to this point....Voodoo Economics!

But ONLY????????

And Al Gore is a moron. And the bills passed that de-regulated this entire system, causing the mess, were passed in the Clinton administration.......and a bill co-sponsored by McCain, which tried to address the situation (in 2003) was resisted and kept from passing by Democrats.......

BLAME CLINTON!
 

Kreskin

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That was the Gramm-Leach financial reform bill. A Republican lead congress proposed deregulation of the financial services industry. Clinton's involvement was relatively minor, and it wasn't the cause of this fiasco - other than he signed it.
 

Scott Free

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I don't see how the USA could afford another Republican!!! They spend like drunken sailors.
 

talloola

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And, when the republicans announce figures that represent national debt,
they do not include what they have spent on the war, 'as though, it is just
a drop in the bucket', and not worth mentioning. Awe, but we know, don't
we, that most of the people read the figures and don't remember war debt.

oh, but perhaps Bush and Cheney went halfers, and paid for the war themselves.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: , how will they ever recover that debt, they both should
have to do 'community work' for the next 500 years,(in hell).
 

scratch

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And, when the republicans announce figures that represent national debt,
they do not include what they have spent on the war, 'as though, it is just
a drop in the bucket', and not worth mentioning. Awe, but we know, don't
we, that most of the people read the figures and don't remember war debt.

oh, but perhaps Bush and Cheney went halfers, and paid for the war themselves.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: , how will they ever recover that debt, they both should
have to do 'community work' for the next 500 years,(in hell).

Lady of the Island,

Truly I don't think Hell would want them.
They would bring down property values etc.

scratch
 

TenPenny

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In three weeks the American people have to decide on which man is best to lead the country during these hard economic times.

Obama is the best choice when the economy is in good shape because there is enough money to go around to fund the much-needed programs.

The world is on the verge of a depression and everybody has to go back to basics for a while until this is cleared up.

The Republican Party is the only ones that have the backbone to make the necessary cuts.

More people will lose their jobs because more consumers are going to cut out unnecessary spending.

Life will resemble times that was depicted on the Waltons TV show.

The government will have to answer to the taxpayer and most taxpayers just don’t want to pay for frivolous social programs.

America will have to get out of the world police business and let someone else take on that job.

US citizens have to realize that America is broke and when you can’t afford it you either cut back or you sink into the abyss.

When good times are here then you can gamble and try to make things better.

When times are tough you just can’t gamble.

Obama would have made a good president but he just came at the wrong time.

So, I can assume you voted Conservative in our election?
 

Avro

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What a pile of mythical crap that is.

Of course they are ready, Clinton led the nation out of the last economic crisis and posted surpluses only to get ruined by Bush. In this country we were led out of the recession of the 90's by whom?....the Liberals and they posted surplus after surplus and paid down the debt. Since Harper has been in power we have seen the economy struggle while the surplus shrinks and we will surely be in a deficit situation by next year.

To be honest, I have no idea why people claiming to be conservative vote for cons thinking they are good money managers when in many cases spending increases under them and government gets bigger.:roll:

It's a frickin joke.
 

talloola

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Lady of the Island,

Truly I don't think Hell would want them.
They would bring down property values etc.

scratch

Of course, you're right, it's an insult to 'anywhere', if they are sent there.

Maybe we can give them to the mafia, and they can fit them for a cement kimono.
 

TenPenny

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What a pile of mythical crap that is.

Of course they are ready, Clinton led the nation out of the last economic crisis

To be more accurate, Clinton was president, while the country brought itself out of the last economic crisis. You can't exactly say that he 'led' anything, economically speaking. Leading is an active role. He just stood back, out of the way.
 

#juan

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News Analysis: Who Manages the Economy Better—Republicans or Democrats?

By Arthur I. Blaustein
Thursday October 09, 2008

Most Americans have one eye on the nation’s financial crises and the other on the presidential election. And they are asking themselves, “Is McCain or Obama, the Democrats or the Republicans, better for the economic health of the country as well as for my own financial well-being?” That is the defining question of this election.

A businessman who voted for Bush twice and Clinton in ‘96, told me, “Barack Obama sounds really impressive and I have to admit that the goals of his social programs—particularly health care, education and the environment—seem good. But I’m worried the Democrats can’t manage the economy as well and they’ll get into my wallet.”

Many voters agree, and a recent poll shows that an overwhelming majority cite the economy as their top concern. For years the pollsters have found that most voters believe the Republicans do better with the economy. I’ve heard the businessman’s basic point—that the Democrats have better social policies but the Republicans are better managers of the economy— more often than I’ve heard Judy Garland sing “Over the Rainbow.” But is it true? Don’t count on this question being examined and answered in a full, open and honest debate.

Twenty-eight years ago—with the election of Ronald Reagan—we entered an entirely new phase of presidential politics. The focus since then has been who can raise the most money and package the best media image, rather than who can demonstrate the most competence and capacity to govern. Our country’s political, economic and social life has been reduced to a battle of 15-second sound bites and 30-second commercials, with results reported like a football score. TV news has turned democracy into “duhmocracy.”

Fortunately, we don’t have to depend on campaign slogans or advertising bucks to frame the debate. We can look to the record. Here’s the Economic Sweepstakes Quiz. The rules are simple. Guess which president since World War II did best on these eight most generally accepted measures of good management of the nation’s economy. You can choose among six Republicans: Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bushes I and II; and five Democrats: Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and Clinton. (No peeking.)

Which president produced:

1. The highest growth in the gross domestic product?

2. The highest growth in jobs?

3. The biggest increase in personal disposable income after taxes?

4. The highest growth in industrial production?

5. The highest growth in hourly wages?

6. The lowest Misery Index (inflation plus unemployment)?

7. The lowest inflation?

8. The largest reduction in the deficit?

The answers are: 1. Harry Truman, 2. Bill Clinton, 3. Lyndon Johnson, 4. John F. Kennedy, 5. Johnson, 6. Truman, 7. Truman, 8. Clinton. In the Economic Sweepstakes, Democratic presidents trounce Republicans eight times out of eight!

If this isn’t enough to destroy the myth that the economy has performed better under Republicans, the stock market has also done better under the Democrats. The Dow Jones Industrial Average during the 20th century has risen 7.3 percent on average per year under Republican presidents. Under Democrats, it rose 10.3 percent—which means investors gained a whopping 41 percent more. And the stock market declined further during George W’s two terms. Moreover, since WWII, Democratic presidents have increased the national debt by an average of 3.7 percent per year and Republican presidents have increased it an average of 10.1 percent. During the same time period, Democratic presidents produced, on average, an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent; Republicans, 6.3 percent. That’s the historical record.

What about economic policies over the past 15 years? The Clinton-Gore administration presided over the longest peacetime economic expansion in our history. The national debt was reduced dramatically, the industrial sector boomed, wages grew and more Americans found jobs. How has the Bush-Cheney team fared? In the past seven years, we have experienced the weakest post-recession job creation cycle since the Great Depression, record deficits, record household debt, a record bankruptcy rate and a substantial increase in poverty. We have gone from being the nation with the biggest budget surplus in history to becoming the nation with the largest deficit in history.

What is downright frightening is that Bush and John McCain seem to still believe that an unregulated free market will solve America’s economic problems. Obama, on the other hand, maintains that government has the responsibility to keep our economy on the right track and he believes in oversight and accountability to protect American taxpayers. Obama says he will work toward reducing the debt and deficit. He pledges to help the middle class and the working poor by maintaining benefit levels and eligibility for the Earned Income Tax Credit. He will hold the line on our tax progressivity and fairness, by rolling back the Bush tax giveaways to taxpayers earning over $250,000 annually. And Obama wants to target health care, education, affordable housing, alternative energy and the environment with critical investments.

McCain wants to privatize Social Security and probably Medicare, although he gets dangerously vague about this at election time. To finance government spending in the wake of his tax cuts for the wealthy, Bush has borrowed heavily from the Social Security Trust Fund. It is likely that McCain will do the same. McCain and George W. are mired in the failed economic policies of their Republican predecessors. In 1980, Bush I called supply-side policies “voodoo economics.” But he embraced these “trickle-down” policies in order to become vice-president and then president.

Reagan and both Bush’s royalist economic policies were failures—a fool’s paradise built on the sands of borrowed time and borrowed money. The consequences were staggering debt, industrial decline, shrinking wages, four painful recessions, increased poverty and structural unemployment. The reckless Reagan-Bush-Bush spending and borrowing has brought us to the brink of social chaos and economic catastrophe.

With respect to the $700 billion bailout plan, McCain’s position is worth examining as a case study. He has cast himself as a reformer, championing the cause of Main Street, who will take on Wall Street and the bankers. Really! In the ‘80s, when deregulation mania drove the Reagan revolution, McCain was all for it. In the late ‘90s when McCain’s economic guru, former Senator Phil Gramm—chair of the Senate Banking Committee—was muscling through Congress the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act which effectively ended regulation designed to protect Main St. from Wall St.—and a repeat of the Great Depression—McCain was all for it.

For the past seven-and-a-half years while Bush administration appointees at the federal regulatory agencies turned a blind eye to the greedy machinations of Wall St. and those bankers working the sub-prime market, McCain was all for it. He was four-square against regulation, oversight and accountability. Now that the game plan, and policies, he supported for all those years, has gone belly-up and bankrupt, he’s experienced an instant and remarkable transformation. After consulting his inner central casting he has become the nation’s chief tongue-wagger for reform, regulation and oversight. Poof ... the magic candidate. ‘The Enabler’ has become ‘The Savior’. The hypocrisy is breathtaking..

Claims of being a maverick aside, McCain has emerged as nothing more than a supply-sider in the mold of George W. and Reagan. Since George W. took office corporate profits have soared, while workers’ wages and benefits have been flat. That shows just who is the object of Bush’s conservative compassion. And McCain has embraced the very same regressive policies.The facts are that the Bush administration, supported by Republicans on Capital Hill, pushed through a sweeping tax cut in 2001, under which the wealthiest one percent of Americans reaped 43 percent of the gain.

In less than a year and a half, the federal government’s 10-year projected budget surplus of $1.6 trillion had vanished. In 2000, we had a surplus of $236 billion. In 2004, we had a deficit of $413 billion. This dramatic reversal is the direct consequence of Bush’s tax cuts. Since then, the Bush-McCain answer for the nation’s economic woes have been deregulation and more tax cuts for the wealthy individuals and corporations, who by no coincidence contribute to the McCain campaign. It’s “trickle-down” economics with a vengeance.

Since the GOP convention, McCain and his surrogates have been pounding away at the Democrats, labeling them as the “tax-and-spend” party. Yet recent research has shown that over 70 percent of our national debt was created by just three Republican presidents. There’s an old expression in Las Vegas, “Figures don’t lie and liars figure.” Moreover, according to research from Professor Larry Bartels of Princeton, real middle class wage growth is double when a Democrat is president, contrasted to a Republican president.

So, while McCain and Sarah Palin compose hymns to patriotism, rugged individualism, “trickle-down” economics, “staying the course” on Bush’s tax cuts and family values, they are also embracing the very economic policies that both undermine the middle class and subvert the security of American family life. American families need less pious rhetoric, and more policies geared toward a healthy economy, secure jobs, decent health care, affordable housing, quality public education, renewable energy and a sustainable environment.

McCain seems unable, or unwilling, to grasp that the government has an important leadership role in this. In fact, providing tax giveaways for the rich and for corporate America is the only policy that seems to energize McCain and the Republicans in Congress; while Obama has pledged to repeal those very same giveaways. And contrary to the G.O.P. rhetoric 90 percent of Americans—people making under $112,000 a year in individual income—would pay less taxes under Obama’s tax plan.

With four more years of McCain continuing Bush’s failed policies we could very well wake up one morning on “the economic endangered nations” list. Deficits and debt could strangle our economy for the next generation, and all but the wealthy will have a tough time making ends meet. Barack Obama has demonstrated a willingness to confront these painful realities. On overall economic policy, he offers qualities indispensable to genuine leadership for America—patience, fairness, candor and vision. We need an administration that understands and believes in coherent, comprehensive and equitable policies that promote sustainable and healthy economic growth—and, on that count, Democrats have a winning record.

Arthur Blaustein was chairman of the President’s National Advisory Council on Economic Opportunity during the Carter administration and was appointed to the board of the National Endowment for the Humanities by Bill Clinton. He is an adjunct professor at the UC Berkeley, where he teaches urban policy, politics and economic development. His most recent books are Make a Difference and The American Promise.
 

TenPenny

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A businessman who voted for Bush twice and Clinton in ‘96, told me, “Barack Obama sounds really impressive and I have to admit that the goals of his social programs—particularly health care, education and the environment—seem good. But I’m worried the Democrats can’t manage the economy as well and they’ll get into my wallet.”

I can certainly understand that; after all, the Republicans have done a pretty impressive job of managing the economy in the last few months.
 

Praxius

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In three weeks the American people have to decide on which man is best to lead the country during these hard economic times.

Obama is the best choice when the economy is in good shape because there is enough money to go around to fund the much-needed programs.

The world is on the verge of a depression and everybody has to go back to basics for a while until this is cleared up.

The Republican Party is the only ones that have the backbone to make the necessary cuts.

More people will lose their jobs because more consumers are going to cut out unnecessary spending.

Life will resemble times that was depicted on the Waltons TV show.

The government will have to answer to the taxpayer and most taxpayers just don’t want to pay for frivolous social programs.

America will have to get out of the world police business and let someone else take on that job.

US citizens have to realize that America is broke and when you can’t afford it you either cut back or you sink into the abyss.

When good times are here then you can gamble and try to make things better.

When times are tough you just can’t gamble.

Obama would have made a good president but he just came at the wrong time.

That's kind of a silly way of explaining the situation.

You claim Obama wouldn't be good as president in the current economic problems..... you seem to be claiming that the Republicans would do much better......

Here's a silly question:

Which party has been in control of the country for the last 8 years, which started two very expensive wars, which allowed the banks of that country to go unchecked for so long to create this current economic crisis, which party didn't do a damn thing about it until the very last minute and the president who is part of this party who rushed and pressured everybody to pass a 700 billion dollar bailout for these same banks with no regulation on how it is spent..... where now all that tax payer money has been wasted for nothing?

Obama isn't worth the risk? Well, we've all seen just how well the Republicans manage the country's economy...... I think a monkey with a hammer couldn't do much worse.

And just because a party has a paticular plan laid out that will cost some money, doesn't mean they're going to jump into the plan right away when there's very little money for it..... logically one would address the current financial crisis and fix it..... then go back into their original plans.

But your claims of the Democrats compared to the Republicans is just downright silly when you actually look at the living proof and facts of just how well the Republicans deal with this issue...... which is they don't.

All the Republicans have done thus far is toss a big sack of money to the idiots who created this mess and seem to just expect them to fix it on their own........ all the while these banks such as AIG are taking their employees off to ritzy spas and resorts, playing golf, taking them on hunting trips..... all up in the triple digits in cost...... why?

Oh, because they have a stressfull job and need to relax..... at the tax payer's expense.

Yeah.... great pick there buddy..... them Republicans sure know how to show us how it's done. :roll:
 

#juan

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Maybe I can make it simpler:

 

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That the man still wants the job is a strong endorsement for his values. Obama will be a very good president. Anybody who thinks the dems are bad for the country has his head so far up his ass,daylight is never seen.
 
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That was the Gramm-Leach financial reform bill. A Republican lead congress proposed deregulation of the financial services industry. Clinton's involvement was relatively minor, and it wasn't the cause of this fiasco - other than he signed it.

Could you expand on this a bit? Your position seems to diverge sharply from what is thought to be the reality of the situtation. Mr Clintons closest economic advisors are oddly Mr Obamas closest economic advisors and they were all involved deeply in that legislation.


Financial Deregulation
Rather than taming financial markets in the wake of the storm, Washington was busy pushing through the US Senate legislation, which was to significantly increase the powers of the financial services giants and their associated hedge funds. Under the Financial Modernization Act adopted in November 1999 – barely a week before the historic Seattle Millenium Summit of the World Trade Organization (WTO) – US lawmakers had set the stage for a sweeping deregulation of the US banking system.
In the wake of lengthy negotiations, all regulatory restraints on Wall Street’s powerful banking conglomerates were revoked "with a stroke of the pen". Under the new rules – ratified by the US Senate and approved by President Clinton – commercial banks, brokerage firms, hedge funds, institutional investors, pension funds and insurance companies can freely invest in each others businesses as well as fully integrate their financial operations.
The legislation had repealed the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, a pillar of President Roosevelt’s "New Deal" which was put in place in response to the climate of corruption, financial manipulation and "insider trading" which led to more than 5,000 bank failures in the years following the 1929 Wall Street crash.9 Effective control over the entire US financial services industry (including insurance companies, pension funds, securities companies, etc.) had been transferred to a handful of financial conglomerates – which are also the creditors and shareholders of high tech companies, the defense industry, major oil and mining consortia, etc. Moreover, as underwriters of the public debt at federal, state and municipal levels, the financial giants have also reinforced their stranglehold on politicians, as well as their command over the conduct of public policy.http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10588