#1Sep 25th, 2008
How many agree with the bail out here... or disagree?
What's your reason for either or..??
America's bail out
| View Poll Results: Do you agree with the 700B Bail out?? | |||
| NO (It's just a Wall St.. Bail out of G.W.B. Buddies) |
   
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15 | 55.56% |
| YES (it's required, needs to be passed) |
  
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1 | 3.70% |
| RENEGOTIATE (Agreement needs to be changed) |
  
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11 | 40.74% |
| Voters: 27. You may not vote on this poll | |||
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How many agree with the bail out here... or disagree?
What's your reason for either or..??
Free Thinker
#2
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008
I say let the economy crash. Sometimes a forest fire is a good thing. Leaves room for the fresh young healthy plants to take over and create a stronger more vibrant forest in the long run.
#3
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by Just the Facts
In a sense that is what already happened. Many companies have been weeded out by it. The debt isn't going away no matter what happens.I say let the economy crash. Sometimes a forest fire is a good thing. Leaves room for the fresh young healthy plants to take over and create a stronger more vibrant forest in the long run.
#4
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008
Your poll doesn't make much sense saying they are George W Bush's buddies on wall st...
Can you guess which democratic presidential candidate received the most political contributions from the housing/mortgage entities?
Ooops..
Any ideas which political party blocked attempts to reign in some of the shenannigans these huge investment firms and banks were doing?
Now calm down and think realistically about this, especially with the current Presidential elections going on...
If the Democrats (who hold the majority in the House and the Senate) could pin this mess solely on the Republicans, don't you think the Congressional hearings would have started weeks ago, as to exploit it to its full Electioneering potential?
Of Course it would have.
The same can be said in reverse...I imagine everyone who touched this mess came away smelling like they were sprayed by a skunk.
Can you guess which democratic presidential candidate received the most political contributions from the housing/mortgage entities?
Ooops..
Any ideas which political party blocked attempts to reign in some of the shenannigans these huge investment firms and banks were doing?
Now calm down and think realistically about this, especially with the current Presidential elections going on...
If the Democrats (who hold the majority in the House and the Senate) could pin this mess solely on the Republicans, don't you think the Congressional hearings would have started weeks ago, as to exploit it to its full Electioneering potential?
Of Course it would have.
The same can be said in reverse...I imagine everyone who touched this mess came away smelling like they were sprayed by a skunk.
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#5
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008
They (the bankers) are the architecs of this mess- the deal should be renegotiated to include prison terms, massive fines and heavy regulation. If they don't get that then I would say let them fail. Funny how Americans are so antisocialist but they will give welfare to corporations without batting an eye.
#6
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by Lester
Not everyone agrees with this bailout garbage.They (the bankers) are the architecs of this mess- the deal should be renegotiated to include prison terms, massive fines and heavy regulation. If they don't get that then I would say let them fail. Funny how Americans are so antisocialist but they will give welfare to corporations without batting an eye.
This whole deal has been like me asking you to buy me $2000 of lottery tickets, if I win nothing you are out $2000...
...but if I win the big one I'm still keeping all the money and you can kindly go "f" yourself...
makes lots of sense doesn't it?
#7
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by thomaska
\Not everyone agrees with this bailout garbage.
This whole deal has been like me asking you to buy me $2000 of lottery tickets, if I win nothing you are out $2000...
...but if I win the big one I'm still keeping all the money and you can kindly go "f" yourself...
makes lots of sense doesn't it?
Verry well put..........
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#8
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008
Thomaska: What a mess this is, I feel for the average American who has bee brainwashed and deceived by these snake oil salesmen how long will it be before Americans tire of being bent over the garden fence? They should be rioting in the streets and lynching wall street bankers.
Green
#9
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008
Let the ones who made obscene profits from this absorb the loss - every single entity and individual that profited from this short sighted, glutenous behaviour.
Take their personal savings and investments. Liquidate everything possible and apply it to the debt. Then do whatever it takes to send the bass turds straight to jail. Every stinkin' single one of 'em.
I heard a comment in a news clip last night - I was half asleep so I can't remember who said it. The gist of it was:
"The American public is being asked to assume the cost of this party, and they never even had a place at the table."
that about sums it up imo .
Take their personal savings and investments. Liquidate everything possible and apply it to the debt. Then do whatever it takes to send the bass turds straight to jail. Every stinkin' single one of 'em.
I heard a comment in a news clip last night - I was half asleep so I can't remember who said it. The gist of it was:
"The American public is being asked to assume the cost of this party, and they never even had a place at the table."
that about sums it up imo .
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#10
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008
Oh, if only it was just the American public. We're paying for this too though. We're dumping money into these bailouts too.
#11
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by Zan
They could start a support group with Bush at San Quentin.Let the ones who made obscene profits from this absorb the loss - every single entity and individual that profited from this short sighted, glutenous behaviour.
Take their personal savings and investments. Liquidate everything possible and apply it to the debt. Then do whatever it takes to send the bass turds straight to jail. Every stinkin' single one of 'em.
I heard a comment in a news clip last night - I was half asleep so I can't remember who said it. The gist of it was:
"The American public is being asked to assume the cost of this party, and they never even had a place at the table."
that about sums it up imo .
#12
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008
Just another example of the government running the people ...not the people running the government.....and don't kid yourself.....the same is happening here.
#13
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008
This could be the mother of all future conspiracy theories - Bush's last hurrah is the biggest wealth transfer to the elite in history. I can't wait to see his pardon list in the coming months.
#14
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008
Bush, McCain and Obama meeting at the Whitehouse in the next hour. I hope Barack gives Bush a knuckle sandwich followed by a front kick to the groin then a spinning back kick to the ...
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#15
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008
Wanna bet they ask for another trillion for credit cards, car loans and the rest of the frivilous consumer debt out there.
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#16
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008
The white house deputy spokesman was on tv yesterdeay, commenting on bail out, and said that
it is a good thing for the american people, because as time goes by, they will make money
as the mortgage values increase on their homes. Of course he didn't mention that there
is no guarantee of that happening, and didn't mention all of the people who 'no longer'
have a house.
If this move was made by a democratic government, the republicans would never support them, as they would stand by their 'nattering' about too much interference by government.
And it will be interesting to see, how big the cheques are for the CEOs etc. when that
money comes in, they will nicely skim what they want right off the top, and of course
it will be called something else, and we will never know.
I know this off topic, but in answer to whoever it was who was talking about Obama
being 'present' at votes.
McCain has the highest number of absences at votes, it was announced yesterday.
it is a good thing for the american people, because as time goes by, they will make money
as the mortgage values increase on their homes. Of course he didn't mention that there
is no guarantee of that happening, and didn't mention all of the people who 'no longer'
have a house.
If this move was made by a democratic government, the republicans would never support them, as they would stand by their 'nattering' about too much interference by government.
And it will be interesting to see, how big the cheques are for the CEOs etc. when that
money comes in, they will nicely skim what they want right off the top, and of course
it will be called something else, and we will never know.
I know this off topic, but in answer to whoever it was who was talking about Obama
being 'present' at votes.
McCain has the highest number of absences at votes, it was announced yesterday.
#17
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008
Can't Bush deal with anything without putting mushroom-cloud fear tactics into it.
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#18
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin
I don't think he has ever 'dealt' directly with much of anything, and while his 'henchmen'Can't Bush deal with anything without putting mushroom-cloud fear tactics into it.
are making his decisions for him, he tries to keep up but can't, and all you hear from
him is "what", "huh", "I don't get it", "howdy", "fart".
Free Thinker
#19
America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008
This "Bail-Out" can't happen without collateral. The bank wouldn't (OK, shouldn't) hand out
its $$$ without some kind of securities. If the taxpayers have to pony up the cash, then the
taxpayers should ALL become shareholders in all of these banks and companies being
bailed out. The banks and other companies can buy back shares at fair market value IF the
American taxpayers are willing to sell them at a future and more stable time. I'm not talking
about the Government becoming a big shareholder in these many companies, but the actual
taxpayers...with papered (tradable) stocks. It's the taxpayers money, not the Governments.
What is currently being proposed is pure insanity. Zero collateral = Zero deal.
its $$$ without some kind of securities. If the taxpayers have to pony up the cash, then the
taxpayers should ALL become shareholders in all of these banks and companies being
bailed out. The banks and other companies can buy back shares at fair market value IF the
American taxpayers are willing to sell them at a future and more stable time. I'm not talking
about the Government becoming a big shareholder in these many companies, but the actual
taxpayers...with papered (tradable) stocks. It's the taxpayers money, not the Governments.
What is currently being proposed is pure insanity. Zero collateral = Zero deal.
No Party Affiliation
#20
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008
That's a good idea- Although the banks would whine because they would have to be accountable to the average joe/jane
Free Thinker
#21
America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by Lester
GOOD!!! They should be doing some whining (to their pillows), but if That's a good idea- Although the banks would whine because they would have to be accountable to the average joe/jane
they want taxdollars to save their necks, that's the minimum price that
they should pay. This would be a beginning...
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#22
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by thomaska
Look, they claim this will stop a recession.. maybe so.Your poll doesn't make much sense saying they are George W Bush's buddies on wall st...
But I think it will just slow down a pending recession allowing for "certain" people to get out without losing their shirt.
As far as the rest of your comment.. yeah the democrats are totally responsible for this and Clinton.
If Clinton had not repealed the Glass-Steagal Act in 1999 that was put in place right after the Great Depression to protect taxpayers and investors... non of this bull **** would be happening.
If Clinton took that **** when he had the chance to kill Obama, then 9/11 would not have happen..
.
#23
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008
This "Bail-Out" can't happen without collateral.
What a fantastic idea. Now tell me why someone in politics .....the people who are supposed to be representing you and I .......can not come up with such a thought. Tell your elected politician that and see what happens......nothing. Our politicians do not represent any one but themselves.
Quote:
The bank wouldn't (OK, shouldn't) hand out
its $$$ without some kind of securities. If the taxpayers have to pony up the cash, then the
taxpayers should ALL become shareholders in all of these banks and companies being
bailed out. The banks and other companies can buy back shares at fair market value IF the
American taxpayers are willing to sell them at a future and more stable time. I'm not talking
about the Government becoming a big shareholder in these many companies, but the actual
taxpayers...with papered (tradable) stocks. It's the taxpayers money, not the Governments.
What a fantastic idea. Now tell me why someone in politics .....the people who are supposed to be representing you and I .......can not come up with such a thought. Tell your elected politician that and see what happens......nothing. Our politicians do not represent any one but themselves.
Republican
#24
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008
The bailout will make rule by the corporation the law of the land right in front of our eyes. They'd poison us just as fast. Paulson and the fed will be given the power of direct taxation. The next CEO of The United Corporations of Amwayica will be elected by the board in November.Halalouja Bankers can go to heaven.
Free Thinker
#25
America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina
I'm just an average blue collar Joe. All I can do is to offer up common sense solutionsThis "Bail-Out" can't happen without collateral. The bank wouldn't (OK, shouldn't) hand out
its $$$ without some kind of securities. If the taxpayers have to pony up the cash, then the
taxpayers should ALL become shareholders in all of these banks and companies being
bailed out. The banks and other companies can buy back shares at fair market value IF the
American taxpayers are willing to sell them at a future and more stable time. I'm not talking
about the Government becoming a big shareholder in these many companies, but the actual
taxpayers...with papered (tradable) stocks. It's the taxpayers money, not the Governments.
What is currently being proposed is pure insanity. Zero collateral = Zero deal.
(as I see them) to real world problems, and maybe someone will run with it, but probably
not. It at least hopefully gets the conversation from whining to problem solving. Ya' just
never know.
Free Thinker
#26
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer
The bailout is a way for wallstreet to "externalize" their losses onto main street. It is a very poor move that will only deepen and prolong the inevitable fallout. The extra capital generated is likely to seek safe havens over seas while it is still valuable and, as a result, the extra liquidity isn't going to have much long term impact on the US. This move is best for China and I can't help but wonder if they (China) didn't play a larger role in this policy than the White House has let on.America's bail out..
How many agree with the bail out here... or disagree?
What's your reason for either or..??
Republican
#27
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina
That's worthless ain't it, there isn't going to be a recovery, just a looting of the treasury.This "Bail-Out" can't happen without collateral. The bank wouldn't (OK, shouldn't) hand out
its $$$ without some kind of securities. If the taxpayers have to pony up the cash, then the
taxpayers should ALL become shareholders in all of these banks and companies being
bailed out. The banks and other companies can buy back shares at fair market value IF the
American taxpayers are willing to sell them at a future and more stable time. I'm not talking
about the Government becoming a big shareholder in these many companies, but the actual
taxpayers...with papered (tradable) stocks. It's the taxpayers money, not the Governments.
What is currently being proposed is pure insanity. Zero collateral = Zero deal.
#28
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008
Why do people make it seem like ordinary Americans are victims of this mess? They are the cause of it too. They chose to accept easy credit and shady loans then defaulted in record numbers. I'm as annoyed by them as I am by the bankers.
Republican
#29
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by Scott Free
It's just good business eh. No hard feelings but we're moving to China where they know how to treat inovative financial capitalist. China owns Disney World now, I suppose they'll move it to China.The bailout is a way for wallstreet to "externalize" their losses onto main street. It is a very poor move that will only deepen and prolong the inevitable fallout. The extra capital generated is likely to seek safe havens over seas while it is still valuable and, as a result, the extra liquidity isn't going to have much long term impact on the US. This move is best for China and I can't help but wonder if they (China) didn't play a larger role in this policy than the White House has let on.
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#30
Re: America's bail out
Sep 25th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer
Do you mean the repeal that was a bipartisan one that was brought forth by Phil Gramm (R-TX) and James leach (R-IA)? Look, they claim this will stop a recession.. maybe so.
But I think it will just slow down a pending recession allowing for "certain" people to get out without losing their shirt.
As far as the rest of your comment.. yeah the democrats are totally responsible for this and Clinton.
If Clinton had not repealed the Glass-Steagal Act in 1999 that was put in place right after the Great Depression to protect taxpayers and investors... non of this bull **** would be happening.
If Clinton took that **** when he had the chance to kill Obama, then 9/11 would not have happen..
.
Not mention the bill was veto proof, Bill had to sign it.
Ouch.....
Kill Obama?
Wow, you are an idiot.
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