#1May 12th, 2008
Don't miss it!
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BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
Don't miss it!
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#2
Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 12th, 2008
Anybody know who will be in that delegation that is to arrive on Wednesday? I guess I was expecting a little much if I thought he would stick to mentioning just the two major parties involved. Who are the majority of 'normal people' supporting?
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It's a bit surprising that the Prez is elected by MP's, rather than 'the people'. I have no idea if a 'Maronite Christian' has views that tend to support the 2 Laws alone. I'm not sure if having the Opposition (Hezbollah) delay that aspect of their Politics unless the Majority was going to vote in somebody who was obviously slanted towards any certain policies (foreign or domestic).
Having a Sunni Muslim prime minister, and a Shiite Muslim speaker of the Parliament would seem to assure that 'most people' have a representative at the table.
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It's a bit surprising that the Prez is elected by MP's, rather than 'the people'. I have no idea if a 'Maronite Christian' has views that tend to support the 2 Laws alone. I'm not sure if having the Opposition (Hezbollah) delay that aspect of their Politics unless the Majority was going to vote in somebody who was obviously slanted towards any certain policies (foreign or domestic).
Having a Sunni Muslim prime minister, and a Shiite Muslim speaker of the Parliament would seem to assure that 'most people' have a representative at the table.
Last edited by MHz; May 12th, 2008 at 10:01 PM..
#3
Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 12th, 2008
MHz, I don't know exactly who will arrive there on Wednesday... it's representatives of the Arab League, as far as I know.
I have another article here which gives a few more clues as to who the ruling government is. It's a coalition of pro-western factions, backed by the US, I read. The Hezbollah holds only 14 seats of the 128 altogether. Yet, they do a lot of social work, like building hospitals and do reconstruction work. They are not against their own people, as Papa Bush is telling the world!
Here is the article:
excerpt: The coalition of pro-Western Christian, Sunni and Druze politicians under the so-called March 14 banner has embarked on an effort to draw international backers into the conflict, said coalition leaders and Western diplomats. They fear Hezbollah is trying to use its military strength to cow the government into submitting to its demands, which include noninterference with the militia's drive to build up its arsenal in order to confront Israel.
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In 2006 the Hezbollahs fought back the Israelis. They were lucky then, but IF Israel comes back again, they might not be lucky a second time. I think they just want to prepare themselves for the next attack from Israel, but the Pro-Western government is not happy that they stockpile ammunition for that event, and has taken measures to antagonize them, and now call for international attention and help, especially from the US. As we heard Bush say, he is going to provide the Lebanese army with proper weapons, so they can defend themselves against the terrorist Hezbollah. Only Canada, the US, Briton and Australia have labeled the Hezbollah a terrorist group. Yes, CANADA!! We too are meddlers! We should rather shut up and mind our own business!
In my humble opinion, this scenario could very well have been instigated by the secret Western powers to have another reason to blame Iran and Syria for the unrest in the Middle East, and measures have to be taken to subdue them, possibly with another round of sanctions, for starters. The big gain is that America has a very legitimate reason to set Lebanon up with the latest kind and sufficient amount of weapons to fight a good war against the Hezbollah.
I wonder if you can smell the rat that I smell? America is preparing to strike!
I guess we have to wait and see.
I have another article here which gives a few more clues as to who the ruling government is. It's a coalition of pro-western factions, backed by the US, I read. The Hezbollah holds only 14 seats of the 128 altogether. Yet, they do a lot of social work, like building hospitals and do reconstruction work. They are not against their own people, as Papa Bush is telling the world!
Here is the article:
excerpt: The coalition of pro-Western Christian, Sunni and Druze politicians under the so-called March 14 banner has embarked on an effort to draw international backers into the conflict, said coalition leaders and Western diplomats. They fear Hezbollah is trying to use its military strength to cow the government into submitting to its demands, which include noninterference with the militia's drive to build up its arsenal in order to confront Israel.
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In 2006 the Hezbollahs fought back the Israelis. They were lucky then, but IF Israel comes back again, they might not be lucky a second time. I think they just want to prepare themselves for the next attack from Israel, but the Pro-Western government is not happy that they stockpile ammunition for that event, and has taken measures to antagonize them, and now call for international attention and help, especially from the US. As we heard Bush say, he is going to provide the Lebanese army with proper weapons, so they can defend themselves against the terrorist Hezbollah. Only Canada, the US, Briton and Australia have labeled the Hezbollah a terrorist group. Yes, CANADA!! We too are meddlers! We should rather shut up and mind our own business!
In my humble opinion, this scenario could very well have been instigated by the secret Western powers to have another reason to blame Iran and Syria for the unrest in the Middle East, and measures have to be taken to subdue them, possibly with another round of sanctions, for starters. The big gain is that America has a very legitimate reason to set Lebanon up with the latest kind and sufficient amount of weapons to fight a good war against the Hezbollah.
I wonder if you can smell the rat that I smell? America is preparing to strike!
I guess we have to wait and see.
#4
Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 13th, 2008
Your article seems to point to the Gov being the 'instigator'.
"The offensive was sparked when the government decided to fire the pro-Hezbollah head of security at the country's international airport and shut down the group's secure phone network."
One would have to expect to get shot back at if you open fire on somebody who is known to be armed. Nor was the Gov able to withstand the return fire, they lost ground.
The US has shown that their preferred method of war is to disarm the intended target as much as possible before any actual assault. The IDF knows they can't win a ground war, their method is to destroy the infrastructure in the hopes that the civilians (the ones targeted by such actions) will revolt, that hope has so-far backfired every time.
The fact that the US can and does supply many arms to the ME kind of makes their argument that 'other Nations' shouldn't do that more than just a bit fuked-up from any angle you look at it.
If Iran persuades Hezbollah to pull back (while getting their phones back) the US and Israel would still claim 'See, they do control them'. Iran could already be 'holding talks' with the aim of stopping the actual battles.
"The offensive was sparked when the government decided to fire the pro-Hezbollah head of security at the country's international airport and shut down the group's secure phone network."
One would have to expect to get shot back at if you open fire on somebody who is known to be armed. Nor was the Gov able to withstand the return fire, they lost ground.
The US has shown that their preferred method of war is to disarm the intended target as much as possible before any actual assault. The IDF knows they can't win a ground war, their method is to destroy the infrastructure in the hopes that the civilians (the ones targeted by such actions) will revolt, that hope has so-far backfired every time.
The fact that the US can and does supply many arms to the ME kind of makes their argument that 'other Nations' shouldn't do that more than just a bit fuked-up from any angle you look at it.
If Iran persuades Hezbollah to pull back (while getting their phones back) the US and Israel would still claim 'See, they do control them'. Iran could already be 'holding talks' with the aim of stopping the actual battles.
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Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 14th, 2008
Arabs push for Lebanon dialogue
The Arab League has sent a delegation to Lebanon to mediate between warring supporters and opponents of the pro-western government.
The delegation, led by Qatar's PM with eight foreign ministers, is holding separate talks with each side.
The blockade of Beirut international airport, by the opposition movement Hezbollah, was partially lifted to allow the mediators to pass through.
The situation is currently reported generally calm.
The BBC's Jim Muir in Beirut says, unless something goes wrong, the plan is for the government to hold a cabinet meeting on Wednesday evening to announce that it is annulling two controversial decisions it made early last week, which triggered the onslaught from Hezbollah.
The opposition would then reopen all roads, including the airport highway.
Then the two sides would enter a dialogue on the issues dividing them, although our correspondent says it is not yet clear where those talks will be held and who will chair them.
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That is super! After all, the Hezbollah holds democratically voted-in seats in the government. Hezbollah has at least twice fought off Israel. They are standing up for their country! They are opposed to Western "colonialism"!
I don't think they are a bad force... they just don't want to have their country run by the Bush junta.
It is almost the same situation as with the Hamas in Palestine, except they are worse off.
Correct me, IF I'm wrong!
The Arab League has sent a delegation to Lebanon to mediate between warring supporters and opponents of the pro-western government.
The delegation, led by Qatar's PM with eight foreign ministers, is holding separate talks with each side.
The blockade of Beirut international airport, by the opposition movement Hezbollah, was partially lifted to allow the mediators to pass through.
The situation is currently reported generally calm.
The BBC's Jim Muir in Beirut says, unless something goes wrong, the plan is for the government to hold a cabinet meeting on Wednesday evening to announce that it is annulling two controversial decisions it made early last week, which triggered the onslaught from Hezbollah.
The opposition would then reopen all roads, including the airport highway.
Then the two sides would enter a dialogue on the issues dividing them, although our correspondent says it is not yet clear where those talks will be held and who will chair them.
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That is super! After all, the Hezbollah holds democratically voted-in seats in the government. Hezbollah has at least twice fought off Israel. They are standing up for their country! They are opposed to Western "colonialism"!
I don't think they are a bad force... they just don't want to have their country run by the Bush junta.
It is almost the same situation as with the Hamas in Palestine, except they are worse off.
Correct me, IF I'm wrong!
Republican
#6
Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 14th, 2008
Hezbollahs only crime is it's power to unify the Lebanese people and that power of unification is what the wealthy banking scum fear the most. Soon it will happen in Canada, the citizens will retake political power from the wealthy and corporate supremacy will be crushed.
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Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 14th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by MHz
Yes, that is my suspicion.Your article seems to point to the Gov being the 'instigator'.
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Iraq is s classic example of that tactic.The US has shown that their preferred method of war is to disarm the intended target as much as possible before any actual assault.
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Like the US, they have the means to do that. The US has made sure the Israeli air force is well equipped.The IDF knows they can't win a ground war, their method is to destroy the infrastructure in the hopes that the civilians (the ones targeted by such actions) will revolt, that hope has so-far backfired every time.
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Damn right! Whoever has the power dictates the rules of conduct. "Do as I say, not as I do!"The fact that the US can and does supply many arms to the ME kind of makes their argument that 'other Nations' shouldn't do that more than just a bit fuked-up from any angle you look at it.
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Good point! One I hadn't thought of. Iran is the main thorn in Bush's eye. The ultimate aim is to neuter Ahmadineshad!!!! To make a "Yes, Sir!" servant out of him and his country. But meanwhile it is not considered a loss of aim to nibble away on the smaller, much less powerful countries, either by democratizing them or rendering them impotent through dependence on Western aid.If Iran persuades Hezbollah to pull back (while getting their phones back) the US and Israel would still claim 'See, they do control them'. Iran could already be 'holding talks' with the aim of stopping the actual battles.
Sorry, MegaHerz
, for almost overlooking your last post. At least I caught it this morning. #8
Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 14th, 2008
I have to admit that 'meddling' seems to just fine for one group but condemned if anybody else speaks out or supplies material things.
Do you really think that could happen? Put all the ATM's out of order (done in about 3 seconds) and nobody is going anywhere.
Do you really think that could happen? Put all the ATM's out of order (done in about 3 seconds) and nobody is going anywhere.
#9
Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 14th, 2008
Wouldn't more info on this tid-bit make for interesting reading?
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"Iranian plane landing at the airport suddenly
When that delagation arrived (today) things were already a lot 'calmer'.
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"Iranian plane landing at the airport suddenly
وعلى صعيد آخر قالت صحيفة الأهرام المصرية إن طائرة إيرانية هبطت فجر أمس في مطار بيروت, بشكل مفاجئ.
On the other hand, the Egyptian Al-Ahram newspaper said that an Iranian plane landed at dawn yesterday at Beirut airport, abruptly. وأوضحت الصحيفة في عددها الصادر اليوم الجمعة أن أنصار حزب الله قاموا بتسهيل خروج الركاب ونقلهم إلى الضاحية الجنوبية دون أن يعلم أحد من هم وماذا يحملون.
The newspaper in its issue today, Friday, that supporters of Hezbollah have facilitated exit of passengers and transported to the southern suburb without one will know who and what bearing. وأشارت الصحيفة إلى أن مصر وافقت على الدعوة لعقد اجتماع عاجل لوزراء الخارجية العرب لمناقشة الوضع المتدهور في لبنان.
The paper said Egypt has agreed to call for an urgent meeting of Arab foreign ministers to discuss the deteriorating situation in Lebanon."When that delagation arrived (today) things were already a lot 'calmer'.
Republican
#10
Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 14th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by MHz
Imagine the chaos of inoperative ATM's. And that's just one of the hundreds of delicate situations that our culture rests on. Just remove one item of food or fuel from the matrix and whatch the problem snowball into crisis. This is also an indication of how phoney the manufactured terrorism crisis really is, if just the chicken production we're sabotaged in N America the commercial carnage would be enormous and to infect those herds and flocks would be very easy and very destructive. So why hasn't it happened? Either we have very incompetant international terrorists or we have a staged holly-wood production.I have to admit that 'meddling' seems to just fine for one group but condemned if anybody else speaks out or supplies material things.
Do you really think that could happen? Put all the ATM's out of order (done in about 3 seconds) and nobody is going anywhere.
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Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 14th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver
Good Morning, Beaver!! Hezbollahs only crime is it's power to unify the Lebanese people and that power of unification is what the wealthy banking scum fear the most. Soon it will happen in Canada, the citizens will retake political power from the wealthy and corporate supremacy will be crushed.
Bright eyes and bushy tail??
You know, I keep staring at your latest picture... and I miss my beloved cauliflowerhead!!!
Alright, the bankers, or plain and simple... the CAPITAL!
My daughter and I had a little conversation a short while ago about just that topic. We questioned ourselves how we would behave, if we had money, power and position. Would we keep our employees on a short rope? Would we exploit the poor, talk down to them? NO, we wouldn't! Never!
BUT, if we had been born into and raised in wealth and power positions, how would we react then, once grown-ups? Hard to say. Traditions, customs, way of life, conditioning, expectations,... not necessarily in that order, but those influences would be hard to resist.
A rich man once came to Christ and asked him what he should do to get into heaven. And Christ said, give away all your wealth and follow me. The rich man slunk away!
See, how hard it is to part from ones possessions?
Dearest Beaver, you hope and think the people of Canada will one day unite and take the power away from the Capitalists? Think again!! Give me an example where on earth this has been done and worked. Any system is made up of all kinds of PEOPLE. And people are frail, feeble and weak... they give in to the temptations of Ariman and Lucifer.
We do need a banking system, but we don't need greedy, fat bankers!
#12
Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 14th, 2008
Lebanon revokes Hezbollah curbs
The Lebanese government has cancelled measures against the Shia movement Hezbollah, that triggered six days of clashes between political factions.
The government move comes as an Arab League delegation attempts to mediate.
Both sides are also expected to enter immediate dialogue on three outstanding issues - the election of a new president, the formation of a national unity government, and the reform of election law.
But our correspondent in Beirut says many Lebanese remain fearful that trouble could break out again at any moment if a solid political accommodation is not reached.
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Too bad 60 people got killed, but it would have been much worse, if the US had gotten in with their weapons delivery to the Lebanon army...as bush had said he would .
The Lebanese government has cancelled measures against the Shia movement Hezbollah, that triggered six days of clashes between political factions.
The government move comes as an Arab League delegation attempts to mediate.
Both sides are also expected to enter immediate dialogue on three outstanding issues - the election of a new president, the formation of a national unity government, and the reform of election law.
But our correspondent in Beirut says many Lebanese remain fearful that trouble could break out again at any moment if a solid political accommodation is not reached.
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Too bad 60 people got killed, but it would have been much worse, if the US had gotten in with their weapons delivery to the Lebanon army...as bush had said he would .
#13
Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 14th, 2008
Wasn't one of Bush's 'solution' to disarm Hezbollah? I don't see that as a condition in the above
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Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 14th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by MHz
Did you expect anything that made sense to come out of the mouth of George Doublya? He couldn't remember what he said yesterday today.Wasn't one of Bush's 'solution' to disarm Hezbollah? I don't see that as a condition in the above
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Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 14th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by MHz
What he said is this:Wasn't one of Bush's 'solution' to disarm Hezbollah? I don't see that as a condition in the above
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it's all in this link. --The US is prepared to help strengthen Lebanon's army so it can disarm Hezbollah, US President George W Bush said in an interview with the BBC.
He said the US was helping the Lebanese army become effective enough to act against Hezbollah's armed wing.
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Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 14th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by Risus
Don't worry, he's got his aides!Did you expect anything that made sense to come out of the mouth of George Doublya? He couldn't remember what he said yesterday today.
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Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 14th, 2008
He just repeats what he told to, you don't really expect any change in foreign policy when he leaves do you?
#18
Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 14th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loon
Okay, was I close enough? The disarming wasn't one of the 3 things listed. There hasn't been a lot of conflict (gunfire) between the two parties and in all seriousness both parties better remain well armed. I would hope they would 'unite' in the face of a larger threat. How did they react when Israel was bombing them, did they fight each other?What he said is this:it's all in this link. --
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Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 14th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by MHz
I don't think so. It was the Hezbollah doing the fighting with Israel.Okay, was I close enough? The disarming wasn't one of the 3 things listed. There hasn't been a lot of conflict (gunfire) between the two parties and in all seriousness both parties better remain well armed. I would hope they would 'unite' in the face of a larger threat. How did they react when Israel was bombing them, did they fight each other?
#20
Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 14th, 2008
So why wasn't it the Gov. who were resisting the invasion?
#21
Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 14th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by MHz
You are asking a little old lady without a poodle...So why wasn't it the Gov. who were resisting the invasion?
Wasn't it because the Hezbollah captured an Israeli soldier and refused to hand him back over?
Give me a minute and I'll find out.
#22
Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 14th, 2008
Here we are:
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It was a 33-day war between Israel and Hezbollah. The real victims were the civilians in Lebanon.The conflict began when Hezbollah militants fired rockets at Israeli border towns as a diversion for an anti-tank missile attack on two armored Humvees patrolling the Israeli side of the border fence. Of the seven Israeli soldiers in the two jeeps, two were wounded, three were killed, and two were captured and taken to Lebanon. Five more were killed in a failed Israeli rescue attempt. Israel responded with massive air strikes and artillery fire on targets in Lebanon, which damaged Lebanese civilian infrastructure, including Beirut's -- which Israel alleged that Hezbollah used to import weapons, an air and navalblockade, and a ground invasion of southern Lebanon.
#23
Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 14th, 2008
Now this video says the soldiers were in Lebanon when they captured.
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#24
Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 14th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by MHz
I just finished listening to that video!!!! What an eye opener!!! Thank you ever so much for posting it, MHz!! Now this video says the soldiers were in Lebanon when they captured.
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About the soldiers... it all depends who you listen to!! Israel, a proxy of the neo cons, will say they were on the Israeli side. This video really makes things clear!!
I want Beaver and Mikey listen to it too!
Thanks again!
#25
Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 14th, 2008
That site has a pretty good list of videos, I haven't watched very many yet but the categories look interesting .
When in doubt about what the truth is you have to research who did it benefit. Most red-flag operations has one side clearly gaining the most.
When in doubt about what the truth is you have to research who did it benefit. Most red-flag operations has one side clearly gaining the most.
#26
Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 14th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by MHz
So true!That site has a pretty good list of videos, I haven't watched very many yet but the categories look interesting .
When in doubt about what the truth is you have to research who did it benefit. Most red-flag operations has one side clearly gaining the most.
I'm still agitated about what I heard on that video! "The American people are under occupation!" Most of them don't realize that.
"The Third World War has already begun!" I believe it now.
Good Night!
Conservative
#27
Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 15th, 2008
Hey Loon,
All Bush is doing now is posturing in the part of the world he thinks he knows. Bush is arrogant and ignorant too. His claim at attending some premier US institutions of higher learning is really translated as he was there on campus. If you went to a Harvard football game at their stadium you could claim you've been to Harvard, right? His speech in Tel Aviv was another attempt to garner some applause to salve his wounded ego. Bush is an ignoramus and I hope Mc Bush doesn't show us more of the same. The Middle East tensions would ease considerably if the US stayed out of the area and quit sending Condi in there to upset it more. Our intel assessments are a comedy leading to more failures on the part of the US.
All Bush is doing now is posturing in the part of the world he thinks he knows. Bush is arrogant and ignorant too. His claim at attending some premier US institutions of higher learning is really translated as he was there on campus. If you went to a Harvard football game at their stadium you could claim you've been to Harvard, right? His speech in Tel Aviv was another attempt to garner some applause to salve his wounded ego. Bush is an ignoramus and I hope Mc Bush doesn't show us more of the same. The Middle East tensions would ease considerably if the US stayed out of the area and quit sending Condi in there to upset it more. Our intel assessments are a comedy leading to more failures on the part of the US.
#28
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May 15th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by normbc9
Hi, Norm;Hey Loon,
All Bush is doing now is posturing in the part of the world he thinks he knows. Bush is arrogant and ignorant too. His claim at attending some premier US institutions of higher learning is really translated as he was there on campus. If you went to a Harvard football game at their stadium you could claim you've been to Harvard, right? His speech in Tel Aviv was another attempt to garner some applause to salve his wounded ego. Bush is an ignoramus and I hope Mc Bush doesn't show us more of the same. The Middle East tensions would ease considerably if the US stayed out of the area and quit sending Condi in there to upset it more. Our intel assessments are a comedy leading to more failures on the part of the US.
I think you have fallen into a trap!! Did you not listen to the video? The Neo-Cons, including Mr. Bush, are doing very well. Bush is not required to know anything, as long as he plays the front lier... the real planners and shakers and movers are behind him!
I recommend you listen to that video from MHZ, although it takes 30 minutes, but those 30 minutes are well spent.
#29
Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 15th, 2008
How long has that 3rd war been going on? If you consider the very few who could have any influence over US foreign policy it would most likely be the bankers. That would make that war several hundred years old already.
That video stated that Israel was in Lebanon fighting a proxy war for the US. That point might not be the whole story. I would be more comfortable with that statement if Israel didn't have as much influence in American politics as it does. That only means Israel was given a green-light rather than getting 'marching orders'.
That still leaves the bankers, the ones who pocketed money because the attempted invasion cost money. Both sides spent funds and money has only one stop once it is in circulation, right back where it started from. If the very start of the circulation was aimed at a piece of equipment that would be used for war (the only option given, no weapon=no money) then it makes little difference where that piece is manufactured.
Too bad Mike Gravel or Ron Paul weren't elected as VP. Both have similar policies and a 'clean-up' usually has to start at home. The Prez deals with foreign policy and the VP deals with internal policy.
Bankers see the world much like a "Risk" board except they deal out money at the beginning of the game and collect it all at the end, it always belongs only to them and they more or less get the say what it is spent on.
That video stated that Israel was in Lebanon fighting a proxy war for the US. That point might not be the whole story. I would be more comfortable with that statement if Israel didn't have as much influence in American politics as it does. That only means Israel was given a green-light rather than getting 'marching orders'.
That still leaves the bankers, the ones who pocketed money because the attempted invasion cost money. Both sides spent funds and money has only one stop once it is in circulation, right back where it started from. If the very start of the circulation was aimed at a piece of equipment that would be used for war (the only option given, no weapon=no money) then it makes little difference where that piece is manufactured.
Too bad Mike Gravel or Ron Paul weren't elected as VP. Both have similar policies and a 'clean-up' usually has to start at home. The Prez deals with foreign policy and the VP deals with internal policy.
Bankers see the world much like a "Risk" board except they deal out money at the beginning of the game and collect it all at the end, it always belongs only to them and they more or less get the say what it is spent on.
#30
Re: BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
May 15th, 2008
Bush launches political rocket from Israel
U.S. President George Bush has set off a political furor back home following a speech in Israel where he suggested that some politicians are ready to "negotiate with terrorists."
Marking the 60th anniversary of Israel's founding, Bush told members of Israel's legislative body at the Knesset that he condemned "the false comfort of appeasement ... that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along."
He then compared such a strategy to speaking with Hitler and the Nazis in the lead up to Germany's takeover of Poland and the start of the Second World War.
While he did not mention Barack Obama by name, Democrats accused Bush of cheap political posturing.
The White House denied Bush's comments were aimed at Obama.
But Democrats lashed out at what they perceived as an attack on their presumptive leader. Delaware Senator Joe Biden didn't mince any words.
"This is outrageous, for the president of the United States to go to a foreign country, to sit in the Knesset . . . and make this kind of ridiculous statement."
Meanwhile, other aspects of Bush's speech before the Knesset left many Israeli politicians disappointed. ....
In his speech Bush said that Palestinians would have a homeland and people in the Middle East will live in "free and independent societies."
Bush added, "a desire for peace (will be) reinforced by ties of diplomacy and tourism and trade."
But he didn't mention any specific steps that would need to be taken to achieve the broad aspirations he described.
"It was an embarrassing speech, a collection of slogans that somebody wrote for him in order to be nice to Israel, or what he thinks is Israel, and to steer well clear of anything concrete," said Israeli lawmaker Yossi Beilin, a key architect of the Oslo peace accords. "It's a shame and a scandal, in my opinion."
http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/abc...asement_080515
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In other words, he made a fool of himself!
Norm, he proved you right!
But his vision for free and independent Middle East societies sounds nice to me, only he contradicts himself by also saying one shouldn't talk to terrorists. Except for Israel, aren't they all terrorists down there?
Perhaps he had too much good Israeli wine!
U.S. President George Bush has set off a political furor back home following a speech in Israel where he suggested that some politicians are ready to "negotiate with terrorists."
Marking the 60th anniversary of Israel's founding, Bush told members of Israel's legislative body at the Knesset that he condemned "the false comfort of appeasement ... that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along."
He then compared such a strategy to speaking with Hitler and the Nazis in the lead up to Germany's takeover of Poland and the start of the Second World War.
While he did not mention Barack Obama by name, Democrats accused Bush of cheap political posturing.
The White House denied Bush's comments were aimed at Obama.
But Democrats lashed out at what they perceived as an attack on their presumptive leader. Delaware Senator Joe Biden didn't mince any words.
"This is outrageous, for the president of the United States to go to a foreign country, to sit in the Knesset . . . and make this kind of ridiculous statement."
Meanwhile, other aspects of Bush's speech before the Knesset left many Israeli politicians disappointed. ....
In his speech Bush said that Palestinians would have a homeland and people in the Middle East will live in "free and independent societies."
Bush added, "a desire for peace (will be) reinforced by ties of diplomacy and tourism and trade."
But he didn't mention any specific steps that would need to be taken to achieve the broad aspirations he described.
"It was an embarrassing speech, a collection of slogans that somebody wrote for him in order to be nice to Israel, or what he thinks is Israel, and to steer well clear of anything concrete," said Israeli lawmaker Yossi Beilin, a key architect of the Oslo peace accords. "It's a shame and a scandal, in my opinion."
http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/abc...asement_080515
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In other words, he made a fool of himself!
Norm, he proved you right!
But his vision for free and independent Middle East societies sounds nice to me, only he contradicts himself by also saying one shouldn't talk to terrorists. Except for Israel, aren't they all terrorists down there?
Perhaps he had too much good Israeli wine!
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