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April 16th, 2008, 09:06 PM

U.S. Department of Veteran Affairs documents 73,846 deaths from Iraq Wars as of May 2007
by Paul Johnson
U.S. President George W. Bush
U.S. media organizations like CNN, NBC, FOX and others recently reported that the death total of U.S. combatants in Iraq War had just reached 4,000. The problem is that this data seems to be an intentional distortion. Indeed, official U.S. Department of Veteran Affairs data indicates that the death total from the attrition of Iraq Wars had already reached 73,846, as of May 2007. In comparison Sky News reports that during the Vietnam War, 58,000 soldiers were killed between 1964 and 1973, an average of 26 a day. LINK
It is indeed, a well known fact that in a so-called free society, the U.S. President George W. Bush administration has banned media organizations from photographing most of the coffins, along with the maimed military personnel returning into the U.S. from Iraq. And, if you think that the U.S. President Bush administration has followed "freedom of the press" in Iraq, you have made a sudden mistake.
Journalists in Iraq, who have not prostituted themselves into disseminating the Bush administration's public relations on the "overall success" of the Iraq War, are being subjected to oppressive persecution.
Journalists have complained of fascist-style harassment.
Is this the action of a U.S. President, who is fighting for democracy, that fundamentally relies on transparency toward supporting a critically informed public?
U.S. Department of Veteran Affairs data that showed a death of over 73,000 U.S. soldiers from the Iraq War sugegsts that U.S. Department of Defense representation of death toll of about 4,000 is an apparent distortion.
Indeed, award-winning independent Journalist Dahr Jamail reports that "when the United States handed over power to a 'sovereign' Iraqi interim government, [Paul] Bremer [former U.S. administrator in Iraq] simply passed on the authority to Ayad Allawi." LINK
Mr. Dahmail further documents that, Mr. Allawi is the "U.S.-installed interim Prime Minister, who has had longstanding ties with the British intelligence service MI6 and the CIA." LINK
Investigative Journalist Dahr Jamail, also reports that Allawi's "media commission had sent out an official 'order' for news organisations to "stick to the government line on the U.S.-led offensive in Fallujah, or face legal action." The warning was sent on the letterhead of Mr. Allawi.
The result is that Iraq has become under the Bush administration, a far worse "modern Stalinist" police state, than Iraq had ever been under Saddam Hussein. Over 1 million people in Iraq have been reportedly killed, as the direct result of the Bush regime's pre-emptive War in Iraq. This is in addition to the over 73,000 U.S. military personnel already killed, as documented by U.S. Department of Veteran Affairs.
Mr. Bush has coordinated an effort to limit the American public's understanding of the current Iraq War, based upon the myth-making presentation of the War. That myth-making" has sought to convince Americans, in part, that the war is taking a far less toll of American lives.
Indeed, it is apparent that the U.S. Bush administration, is anxious to "declare progress" and "victory" in Iraq, so that it can pursue its further military expansionist agenda against Iran. Seymour M. Hersh has sounded alarm bells about the Bush regime's nuclear war ambitions against Iran. LINK
But, "The Bush administration has rejected comparisons between Iraq and Vietnam, which traumatized Americans a generation ago, with a sad procession of military body bags and television footage of grim wartime cruelty," observed China Daily. LINK
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April 16th, 2008, 09:17 PM

I don't get it beaver. You have a half dozen links in there, but none to the actual documents which would support the claim of such a high death toll for americans.

You use sources to support your argument which directly contradict your assertion, which means that you're saying those sources are either right, or they're wrong and thus not trust worthy to depict any stats. How can you back up the claim of that number, other than to say that the media is suppressed and therefor you can't prove it? Or am I missing something in this article (which is always a distinct possibility)?
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April 16th, 2008, 09:19 PM

Quoting darkbeaver
U.S. Department of Veteran Affairs documents 73,846 deaths from Iraq Wars as of May 2007
by Paul Johnson

U.S. President George W. Bush

U.S. media organizations like CNN, NBC, FOX and others recently reported that the death total of U.S. combatants in Iraq War had just reached 4,000. The problem is that this data seems to be an intentional distortion. Indeed, official U.S. Department of Veteran Affairs data indicates that the death total from the attrition of Iraq Wars had already reached 73,846, as of May 2007. In comparison Sky News reports that during the Vietnam War, 58,000 soldiers were killed between 1964 and 1973, an average of 26 a day. LINK
It is indeed, a well known fact that in a so-called free society, the U.S. President George W. Bush administration has banned media organizations from photographing most of the coffins, along with the maimed military personnel returning into the U.S. from Iraq. And, if you think that the U.S. President Bush administration has followed "freedom of the press" in Iraq, you have made a sudden mistake.
Journalists in Iraq, who have not prostituted themselves into disseminating the Bush administration's public relations on the "overall success" of the Iraq War, are being subjected to oppressive persecution.
Journalists have complained of fascist-style harassment.
Is this the action of a U.S. President, who is fighting for democracy, that fundamentally relies on transparency toward supporting a critically informed public?

U.S. Department of Veteran Affairs data that showed a death of over 73,000 U.S. soldiers from the Iraq War sugegsts that U.S. Department of Defense representation of death toll of about 4,000 is an apparent distortion.

Indeed, award-winning independent Journalist Dahr Jamail reports that "when the United States handed over power to a 'sovereign' Iraqi interim government, [Paul] Bremer [former U.S. administrator in Iraq] simply passed on the authority to Ayad Allawi." LINK
Mr. Dahmail further documents that, Mr. Allawi is the "U.S.-installed interim Prime Minister, who has had longstanding ties with the British intelligence service MI6 and the CIA." LINK
Investigative Journalist Dahr Jamail, also reports that Allawi's "media commission had sent out an official 'order' for news organisations to "stick to the government line on the U.S.-led offensive in Fallujah, or face legal action." The warning was sent on the letterhead of Mr. Allawi.
The result is that Iraq has become under the Bush administration, a far worse "modern Stalinist" police state, than Iraq had ever been under Saddam Hussein. Over 1 million people in Iraq have been reportedly killed, as the direct result of the Bush regime's pre-emptive War in Iraq. This is in addition to the over 73,000 U.S. military personnel already killed, as documented by U.S. Department of Veteran Affairs.
Mr. Bush has coordinated an effort to limit the American public's understanding of the current Iraq War, based upon the myth-making presentation of the War. That myth-making" has sought to convince Americans, in part, that the war is taking a far less toll of American lives.
Indeed, it is apparent that the U.S. Bush administration, is anxious to "declare progress" and "victory" in Iraq, so that it can pursue its further military expansionist agenda against Iran. Seymour M. Hersh has sounded alarm bells about the Bush regime's nuclear war ambitions against Iran. LINK
But, "The Bush administration has rejected comparisons between Iraq and Vietnam, which traumatized Americans a generation ago, with a sad procession of military body bags and television footage of grim wartime cruelty," observed China Daily. LINK
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the article is Ridiculous.

And your signature is offensive.

Hope that makes you happy.......
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April 16th, 2008, 10:47 PM

You see, even this anti-war site does not argue with the figure of 4,032 dead Americans.

It is ludicrous to even present the 70,000 plus figure.......

Why?

America lost 58,000 soldiers in Vietnam in the 7 or 8 years of direct involvement

That was fighting a determined enemy, both the Viet Cong (South Vietnamese rebels) and the NVA (the conventional army of North Vietnam),the enemy trained and professional, in the jungle, with less medical technology to save lives, with areas hard to med-evac from, with a high of 569,000 troops committed.

The idea that the USA lost almost 50% MORE troops against untrained insurgents, in two years less time, with excellent med-evac and modern life-saving techniques, with a high of 140,000 troops committed is......RIDICULOUS!
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April 16th, 2008, 10:50 PM

DB's OP is a prime example why the fringe left is never taken seriously.

As a matter of fact, the fringe left has the opposite affect of their original intent, which forces common sense people to head towards the right.

DB, you've caught gopheritis, now you're just getting desperate.
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April 17th, 2008, 10:22 AM

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And your signature is offensive.

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Meh, seems to be speeking his feelings towards God. How can that be offensive? He didn't call God a Douche Bag, that'd be offensive.... he just hates him.

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April 17th, 2008, 10:28 AM

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DB's OP is a prime example why the fringe left is never taken seriously.

As a matter of fact, the fringe left has the opposite affect of their original intent, which forces common sense people to head towards the right.

DB, you've caught gopheritis, now you're just getting desperate.
There are, however, truths within some of the extremes in that article, such as the restrictions on the media and reporters, restrictions on photographing the bodies or wounded soldiers coming home. Even the one's released by the Pentigon a few days ago had people's faces blacked out and other things censored.

What about the Iraqi reporter who was just released yesterday who was held by the US for 2 years without charge? Where the hell where his rights?

No matter which side you're on on this subject, there's plenty of propaganda and lies floating about, it honestly doesn't even matter anymore which side anybody is on.
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April 17th, 2008, 10:29 AM

That is why it is beneficial that people like DB continue as they represent the unpolished side of the left. They are the ones that speak for what the rest of the left really believes.

So think about it...DB actually believes the US has lost 70,000 soldiers in Iraq and his views line up with so many in this forum.
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April 17th, 2008, 10:42 AM

This story is a few years old now but the American death toll in Iraq is certainly more than 4,000.


Depleted Uranium Death Toll among US War Veterans Tops 11,000
Nationwide Media Blackout Keeps U.S. Public Ignorant About This Important Story

by James P. Tucker Jr.


Global Research, October 29, 2006
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The death toll from the highly toxic weapons component known as depleted uranium (DU) has reached 11,000 soldiers and the growing scandal may be the reason behind Anthony Principi’s departure as secretary of the Veterans Affairs Department.
This view was expressed by Arthur Bernklau, executive director of Veterans for Constitutional Law in New York, writing in Preventive Psychiatry E-Newsletter.
“The real reason for Mr. Principi’s departure was really never given,” Bernklau said. “However, a special report published by eminent scientist Leuren Moret naming depleted uranium as the definitive cause of ‘Gulf War Syndrome’ has fed a growing scandal about the continued use of uranium munitions by the U.S. military.”
The “malady [from DU] that thousands of our military have suffered and died from has finally been identified as the cause of this sickness, eliminating the guessing. . . . The terrible truth is now being revealed,” Bernklau said.
Of the 580,400 soldiers who served in Gulf War I, 11,000 are now dead, he said. By the year 2000, there were 325,000 on permanent medical disability. More than a decade later, more than half (56 percent) who served in Gulf War I have permanent medical problems. The disability rate for veterans of the world wars of the last century was 5 percent, rising to 10 percent in Vietnam.
“The VA secretary was aware of this fact as far back as 2000,” Bernklau said. “He and the Bush administration have been hiding these facts, but now, thanks to Moret’s report, it is far too big to hide or to cover up.”
Terry Johnson, public affairs specialist at the VA, recently reported that veterans of both Persian Gulf wars now on disability total 518,739, Bernklau said.
“The long-term effect of DU is a virtual death sentence,” Bernklau said. “Marion Fulk, a nuclear chemist, who retired from the Lawrence Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab, and was also involved in the Manhattan Project, interprets the new and rapid malignancies in the soldiers [from the second war] as ‘spectacular’—and a matter of concern.’ ”
While this important story appeared in a Washington newspaper and the wire services, it did not receive national exposure—a compelling sign that the American public is being kept in the dark about the terrible effects of this toxic weapon. (Veterans for Constitutional Law can be reached at (516) 474-4261.)
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April 17th, 2008, 10:42 AM

Quoting EagleSmack
That is why it is beneficial that people like DB continue as they represent the unpolished side of the left. They are the ones that speak for what the rest of the left really believes.

So think about it...DB actually believes the US has lost 70,000 soldiers in Iraq and his views line up with so many in this forum.
All I see is an article posted with no comments from himself, so how do you know what his offical position is on it, or if he believes it to be true?
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April 17th, 2008, 10:58 AM

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All I see is an article posted with no comments from himself, so how do you know what his offical position is on it, or if he believes it to be true?
Well, he started the thread. He felt in credible enough to post it. Me personally...if I was to post an article I would believe it to be true and factual. Perhaps the Left doesn't bother with those.

If he comes back and says... "I don't believe it though" I would think he just wasted everyones time and loses even more credibility.
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April 17th, 2008, 11:01 AM

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This story is a few years old now but the American death toll in Iraq is certainly more than 4,000.


Depleted Uranium Death Toll among US War Veterans Tops 11,000
Nationwide Media Blackout Keeps U.S. Public Ignorant About This Important Story

by James P. Tucker Jr.


Global Research, October 29, 2006
American Free Press
Ah...Global Research...it has to be true then.

DU kicks butt and will always be used. If you want to pop the top off a T-72...use DU.
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April 17th, 2008, 11:20 AM

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Meh, seems to be speeking his feelings towards God. How can that be offensive? He didn't call God a Douche Bag, that'd be offensive.... he just hates him.

I hate Sponge Cake.
I find it offensive.

Which is perfectly alright, DB and everyone else has every right to offend me.........after all, I'm a middle aged white male........I have no right "not to be offended" as do homosexuals and women and visible minorities, and the handicapped, and.....well, everyone EXCEPT heterosexual white males, according to Svend Robinson and the brain dead left.......

I defend DB's right to be offensive.

And I love Sponge Cake.

So there.

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April 17th, 2008, 11:27 AM

Even if it were true the right would still find the war about nothing justifiable.
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April 17th, 2008, 11:29 AM

Quoting EagleSmack
Ah...Global Research...it has to be true then.

DU kicks butt and will always be used. If you want to pop the top off a T-72...use DU.
But would you want atomized DU, or DU dust sprayed over your family?

I thought not.
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April 17th, 2008, 11:41 AM

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But would you want atomized DU, or DU dust sprayed over your family?

I thought not.

You are so right. But if I was a US Tanker I wouldn't want to come up against a T-72 with a kinder more gentler and politically correct tank round.

I don't think my family would either!
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