US plans finance system overhaul

dancing-loon

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US plans finance system overhaul

Henry Paulson wants the financial system to be more competitive

The US Treasury is set to reveal its blueprint for the biggest overhaul of regulation of the financial sector since the 1930s.
Critics have said that the credit crunch and resultant market turmoil made a strong case for change.
But Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson is expected to reject claims that existing regulations have led to the turmoil.

The government says the proposals are an effort help US firms become more competitive in the global economy. (my emphasis)
"Despite the fact that there will be a temptation to view this through a lens of what is happening now in credit markets, this has been a process that has been going on for a year," said Treasury Assistant Secretary David Nason.
"These are very complex issues that require a serious amount of debate."

Must read full article here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7322107.stm

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Well, I'm glad they have finally completed this process of overhaul!

Any opinions out there?
 

MHz

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I'm sure more Americans would be comforted if this 'overhaul' was backdated to 1913, the year the Federal Reserve was created.

All this is likely to do is dump more debt on the taxpayers, with interest. They tried this approach in the late 20's, pumping money directly to the banks didn't solve anything for the ones on the bottom of the food-chain.

I hope I can find that one article about the great depression, a few years before full meltdown there just happened to be a tax-break for the rich, deja-vu?

Lots of 'little banks' bit the dust, the major ones (connected to the Fed) still had high dividends for it's share-holders.

Want to bet that most 'rich Americans' have switched their 'greenies' over to Euros already. The only asses that will be protected are the ones of the elite. Katrina should have shown that to everybody.
 

johai

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Finance Overhaul

A thirteen trillion dollar economy, mostly consumer and foreign debt load will have everything thrown at it , including the kitchen sink. More unbacked money will be printed and more T-Bills sold. Hopefully for the Fed the Chinese and Japanese won't call in to collect.
Besides a war machine can always find another country to invade. Ask Teddy Roosevelt and Bush. Yet from my study of U.S. economic woes even wars don't pay very well these days.
 

MikeyDB

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Johai

America couldn't manage to get laid in Wh0re house never mind manage their economy!
 

normbc9

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Anytime I hear that the group who is in the camp of those who caused this mess to begin with my antenna goes up. Bernanke finally admitted that there may possibly be a Rescession next year. What are we in right now? What I glean from those words is it will get worse and the tampering with the system will probably cause an even more severe reaction in the long term. I keep hearing about the International community not willing to let the US sink is encouraging but I'm still a pessimist. The White House staff can't even get a game of Croquet organized on the East Lawn properly. Why would we trust them to tamper with a broken financial system of their making initially?
 

darkbeaver

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It ammounts to bankers"hauling" the wool further "over" the eyes of the doscile dumb defenseless consumer who will end up starving in the land of plenty and dying in the land of promise for yahwe.
 

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The great depression of 2008 – the mother of all depressions

Article by Pascal Molliere
Saturday 17th November 2007, 01:46

<DIV>2008 is set to be the darkest ever year in financial history according to Goldman Sachs – a new report claims.


The Times reports that the credit crunch is so serious that it may force the US banking system to cut lending by as much as $4,000 billion, prompting a “substantial recession” in the US

As much as $400 billion could be wiped out from the US banking system prompting fears that the knock-on effect could spell an economic catastrophe on both sides of the Atlantic.

The mass of defaults on high-risk home loans in America has emerged in greater detail over the last 3-4 months but more and more banks and lending institutions are having to own up to the full extent of their losses as the financial world is being rocked to it’s core with the sheer scale of the financial melt-down.

Mr Jan Hatzius, chief economist at Goldman Sachs estimates that with every $1 dollar in losses, equates to the inability of highly leveraged Wall Street lending by $10, as they typically aim for a so-called capital ratio of 10 per cent.
"If leveraged investors see $200 billion of the $400 billion aggregate credit loss, they might need to scale back their lending by $2 trillion," Mr Hatzius said.

Mr Hatzius’s actual prediction of a $400 billion write-off would reduce lending by $4,000 billion.
"The likely mortgage credit losses pose a significantly bigger macroeconomic risk than generally recognised. It is easy to see how such a shock could produce a substantial recession," Mr Hatzius said.

"While the uncertainty is huge, the associated downward pressure on lending raises the risk of significant weakness in economic activity."


Goldman’s forecast predicts further disastrous consequences for global economy, sighting numerous factors such as the cost of the war in Iraq, record oil prices, sub-prime defaults and growing unemployment.
"The potential for an economic implosion and subsequent world recession is huge and could surpass the biggest financial crash in history of that of the Great Depression".

Billions were wiped off the world financial system in the 1920’s / 30’s. This period was known as ‘The Great Depression’ (also known in the U.K. as the Great Slump). This was the most dramatic of worldwide economic downturns in history.

It all started with the stock market crash on October 29, 1929, known as Black Tuesday. The depression had devastating effects in both the industrialised countries and those which exported raw materials.
With similar beginnings to the current crisis, the Great Depression was not a sudden total collapse but more of a slow burning fuse that sparked a sequence of major financial catastrophes across the US and subsequently around the globe.

The stock market had suffered losses due to the October 1929 crash – not too dissimilar to the Northern Rock and the Sub-Prime mortgage crisis of today.

Having faced severe losses from the initial crash, consumerism plunged dramatically and a severe drought ravaged the agricultural heartland of the USA beginning in the summer of 1930.

Credit was ample and available to sub-prime borrowers at low rates and few were reluctant to avoid borrowing. By May 1930, vehicle sales had declined to below the levels of 1928. Oil prices had risen sharply while retail values in general began to decline.

Wages began to drop in 1931. Conditions were worst in farming areas where commodity prices plunged, and in mining and logging areas where unemployment was high and there were few other jobs. The decline in the American economy was the motor that pulled down most other countries at first, then internal weaknesses or strengths in each country made conditions worse or better. By late in 1930, a steady decline set in which reached bottom by March 1933.
Many experts and scholars believe that it was the fault of governments and the banking institutions who were to blame for the great depression. It was said that the problems began with excessive lending and a blatant disregard for cheap loans.

Massive bank failures were largely to blame for the great depression and the stock market crash of the 1930’s, huge layoffs occurred, resulting in unemployment rates of over 25%. Banks which had financed a lot of bad debt began to fail as debtors defaulted on debt and bank depositors became worried about their deposits and began massive withdrawals.

Government guarantees and Federal Reserve banking regulations to prevent these types of panics were ineffective or not used. Bank failures led to the evaporation of billions of dollars in assets. Up to 40% of the available money supply normally used for purchases and bank payments was destroyed by all these bank failures.

By 1933, depositors saw $140 billion of their deposits disappear due to uninsured bank failures. Bank failures snowballed as desperate bankers tried calling in loans which the borrowers did not have time or money to repay. With future profits looking poor, capital investment and construction slowed or completely ceased. In the face of bad loans and worsening future prospects, the surviving banks became even more conservative in their lending. Banks built up their capital reserves, which intensified deflationary pressures. The vicious cycle developed and the downward spiral accelerated. This kind of self-aggravating process may have turned a 1930 recession into a 1933 great depression.
There are frightening similarities in the current situation in the US and in Britain. Once again, a banking crisis is threatening to undermine a global economy. Banks are too late in tightening the credit purse strings. There will be no more easy money, on the contrary, there will be very little money at all – and even the regular credit cards, bank overdrafts and small loans will be harder to get hold of as there simply is no money to lend out.

In addition to making it much harder to secure a mortgage or loan, such a dramatic decline in lending would hamper the ability of consumers to borrow money to finance smaller purchases such as cars, televisions and washing machines.
Since two-thirds of the US economy is driven by consumer spending, this will hit retailers and other companies particularly hard. Businesses will also be deterred from borrowing money to invest and will be less able to stave off looming redundancies, putting further pressure on the US economy.

Goldman’s prediction comes after Wall Street firms such as Citigroup, Merrill Lynch and Morgan Stanley have collectively reported more than $50 billion in losses on investments related to sub-prime mortgages.

It follows the US Federal Reserve’s second cash infusion of the month on Thursday, when it injected $47.25 billion into the financial system, the largest since the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 .

The latest injection was administered two weeks after the Fed injected $41 billion, as the fallout from the housing crisis gathered momentum.

There is no end in sight and with other countries economies clearly suffering in tandem with the US, there is growing fear that this could be the mother of all recessions.
 
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darkbeaver

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Depression, that reminds me I was going to look up cold-cellars on the net this evening and try and see if mason jars were in good supply but if the bees and the bats and the nukes all get out of equlibrium I won't be to worried about a big downturn in the econ. Is that a bright side or positive thinking? The silver lining in global depression will be the rejuvenation of pioneer skills like skinning beavers and chasing partriges and we thought they would be forgotten.
 

Albertabound

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What is a Billion?
Now here's a reality check!




This is too true to be very funny.​




The next time you hear a politician use the word 'Billion' in a casual​


manner, think about whether you want the 'politicians' spending YOUR tax​


money​


.​


A billion is a difficult number to comprehend, but one advertising agency​


did a good job of putting that figure into some perspective in one of its​


releases.​




A. A billion seconds ago it was 1959.​




B. A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive.​




C. A billion hours ago our ancestors were Living in the Stone Age.​




D. A billion days ago no-one walked on the earth on two feet.​




E. A billion dollars ago was only 8 hours and 20 minutes, at the rate ourgovernment is spending it.​




While this thought is still fresh in our brain, let's take a look at New​


Orleans. It's amazing what you can learn with some simple division.​




Louisiana Senator, Mary Landrieu , is presently asking the Congress for $250​


BILLION to rebuild New Orleans . Interesting number, what does it mean?​




A. Well, if you are one of 484,674 residents of New Orleans (every man,woman, child), you each get $516,528.​




B. Or, if you have one of the 188,251 homes in New Orleans , your home gets$1,329,787.​




C. Or, if you are a family of four, your family gets $2,066,012.​




Washington , D.C ., Ottawa, Canada.... HELLO!!! ... Are all your calculators broken??​








Tax his land,​


Tax his wage,​


Tax his bed in which he lays.​




Tax his tractor,​


Tax his mule,​


Teach him taxes is the rule.​




Tax his cow,​


Tax his goat,​


Tax his pants,​


Tax his coat.​




Tax his ties,​


Tax his shirts,​


Tax his work,​


Tax his dirt.​




Tax his tobacco,​


Tax his drink,​


Tax him if he tries to think.​




Tax his booze,​


Tax his beers,​


If he cries,​


Tax his tears.​




Tax his bills,​


Tax his gas,​


Tax his notes,​


Tax his cash.​




Tax him good and let him know​


That after taxes, he has no dough.​




If he hollers, Tax him more,​


Tax him until he's good and sore.​




Tax his coffin, Tax his grave,​


Tax the sod in which he lays.​




Put these words upon his tomb,​


'Taxes drove me to my doom!'​




And when he's gone, We won't relax,​


We'll still be after the inheritance TAX!!​








STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?​






No taxes existed 100 years ago,​




We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the​


world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.​








What happened? Can you spell 'politicians!'






And I still have to 'press 1' for English.​













What the #!*/ happened?????​



 

normbc9

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What should catch every American's attention is the current Presidential candidate race. One of them will be the next architect in the White House. We get to choose between a guy with a temper and depending on the other parties outcome either a bro or a hoe. Scary, isn't it?
 
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Albertabound

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Is it not the whole economic situation taking place in the US right now, the reason the Federal Reserve was created in the first place....that's what everyone keeps telling me......

......so why is history repeating itself ??????????
 

Albertabound

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I'll tell you why history repeats it's self. Certain people made a lot of money in the last recession-depression......and the same is happening now....in fact it is the same people making the money, the same people that control your economy.

Oh... but thank God for the Federal Reserve, why don't people wake up and think for themselves. These are banksters, that's all. Corrupt banksters that take the money from the American people.

Lester, you're absolutely right........It's all about greed.
 

Lester

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The powers that be have already moved their wealth offshore before the greenback dropped. Now they wait for everything to bottom out , once it does they'll buy it back for a fraction of its true value. They get richer we get poorer, Its theft on a grand scale, most people think that this is just unfortunate happenstance, they don't realize it's been engineered.
 

dancing-loon

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I found this interesting to read....

17 reasons America needs a recession

1. Purge the excesses of the housing boom
No, it's not heartless. Not like wartime calculations of "acceptable collateral damage." Yes, The Economist admits "the economic and social costs of recession are painful: unemployment, lower wages and profits, and bankruptcy." But we can't reverse Greenspan's excessive rate cuts that created the housing/credit crisis. It'll be painful for everyone, especially millions of unlucky, mislead homeowners who must bear the brunt of Wall Street's greed and Washington's policy failures.
2. U.S. dollar wake-up call
Reverse the dollar's free fall and revive our global credibility. Warnings from China, France, Iran, Venezuela and supermodel Gisele haven't fazed Washington. Recession will.
3. Write-offs
Expose Wall Street's shadow-banking system. They're playing with $300 trillion in derivatives and still hiding over $100 billion of toxic off-balance sheet asset-backed securities, plus another $300 billion hidden worldwide. A lack of transparency is killing our international credibility. Write it all off, now!
4. Budgeting
Force fiscal restraint back into government. America has been living way beyond its means for years: A recession will cut back revenues at all levels of government and cutbacks will encourage balanced budgeting.
5. Overconfidence
A recession will wake up short-term investors playing the market. In bull markets traders ride the rising tide, gaining false confidence that they're financial geniuses. Downturns bruise egos but encourage rational long-term strategies.
6. Ratings
Rating agencies have massive conflicts of interest; they aren't doing their job. They're supposed to represent the investors, but favor Corporate America, which pays for the reports. Shake them up.
7. China
Trigger an internal recession in China. Make it realize America's not going into debt forever to finance China's domestic growth and military war machine. A recession will also slow recycling their reserves through sovereign funds to our equities.
8. Oil
Force the energy and auto industries to get serious about emission standards and reducing oil dependency.
9. Inflation
Expose the "core inflation" farce Washington uses to sugarcoat reality.
10. Moral hazard
Slow the Fed from cutting interest rates to bail out speculators.
11. War costs
Force Washington to get honest about how it's going to pay for our wars, other than supplemental bills that are worse than Enron-style debt financing.
12. CEO pay
Further expose CEO compensation that's now about five hundred times the salaries of workers, compared with about 40 times a generation ago.
13. Privatization
Stop the privatization of our federal government to no-bid contractors and high-priced mercenary armies fighting our wars.
14. Entitlements
Force Congress to get serious about the coming Social Security/Medicare disaster. With boomers now retiring, this problem can only get worse: A recession now could avoid a depression later.
15. Consumers
Yes, we're all living way beyond our means, piling up excessive credit-card debt, encouraged by government leaders who tell us "deficits don't matter." Recessions will pressure individuals to reduce spending and increase savings.
16. Regulation
Lobbyists have replaced regulation. Extreme theories of unrestrained free trade plus zero regulation just don't work; proven by our credit crisis, hedge funds' nondisclosures, private-equity taxation, rating agencies failures, junk home mortgages, and more. Get real, folks.
17. Sacrifice
"We have not seen a nationwide decline in housing like this since the Great Depression, says Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf. As individuals and as a nation Americans have always performed best in crises, like the Depression or WWII, times when we're all asked to make sacrifices. Pampering us with interest-rate cuts and tax cuts during the Iraq and Afghan wars may have stimulated the economy temporarily, but they delayed the real damage of the '90s stock bubble while setting the stage for this new sub-prime/credit crisis.



Read full article here: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...0CFFE9851B0%7D

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