Electoral Member
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Location: California
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April 29th, 2008, 11:31 PM
Bush is so out of touch with reality that today he stood at the podium and blamed Congress for the current fiscal crisis and also said the price of fuel was linked to the inability to build new refineries or drill for more oil. I wonder why he never mentioned to six billion his administration has pumped into Iraq? If you remember the Iraq war was to be paid for with the revenues off Iraqi oil. Where did the money go?
Bush is so out of touch with reality that today he stood at the podium and blamed Congress for the current fiscal crisis and also said the price of fuel was linked to the inability to build new refineries or drill for more oil. I wonder why he never mentioned to six billion his administration has pumped into Iraq? If you remember the Iraq war was to be paid for with the revenues off Iraqi oil. Where did the money go?
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Location: Vancouver Island
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April 30th, 2008, 12:29 AM
The last 8 years for the u.s. has been worse than a circus with that nit wit sitting in
the loval office.
I felt embarrassed the other night when he was shown making jokes at his party, while
over 4000 of his own citizens lie in their graves, where he put them.
It will take a long time for the country to heal from his ignorant leadership, but i'm
counting the days, november is getting closer.
The last 8 years for the u.s. has been worse than a circus with that nit wit sitting in
the loval office.
I felt embarrassed the other night when he was shown making jokes at his party, while
over 4000 of his own citizens lie in their graves, where he put them.
It will take a long time for the country to heal from his ignorant leadership, but i'm
counting the days, november is getting closer.
Council Member
Posts: 1,790
April 30th, 2008, 06:04 AM
ANWR = Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
Quoting normbc9
Bush is so out of touch with reality that today he stood at the podium and blamed Congress for the current fiscal crisis and also said the price of fuel was linked to the inability to build new refineries or drill for more oil.
ANWR = Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
Mass'Debator
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Location: Atlantic Canada
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April 30th, 2008, 07:45 AM
Hmmm... I wouldn't let any friggin oil company drill anywhere, cuz they're sure as hell not running out..... they're completely screwing us over, reducing the amount they pump out for us, causing a bigger demand, raising the prices to insane amounts, and oh! All the big oil companies around the world are reporting record profits, some up by 80% since last year...... fishy much?
Oil industry awash in record levels of cash
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8646744/
"But a smaller portion of profits is going to find new oil discoveries"
Why? Money and Greed that's why.... oh and they're not looking for more oil or alternatives, because they don't need to because they have plenty that they're just not using.... giving us the squeeze like they did before..... what do they all care what happens to us or how much we pay? They're getting rich and they don't give a rats ass.... and our leaders not doing a damn thing about it are just as guilty.
Hmmm... I wouldn't let any friggin oil company drill anywhere, cuz they're sure as hell not running out..... they're completely screwing us over, reducing the amount they pump out for us, causing a bigger demand, raising the prices to insane amounts, and oh! All the big oil companies around the world are reporting record profits, some up by 80% since last year...... fishy much?
Oil industry awash in record levels of cash
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8646744/
"But a smaller portion of profits is going to find new oil discoveries"
Why? Money and Greed that's why.... oh and they're not looking for more oil or alternatives, because they don't need to because they have plenty that they're just not using.... giving us the squeeze like they did before..... what do they all care what happens to us or how much we pay? They're getting rich and they don't give a rats ass.... and our leaders not doing a damn thing about it are just as guilty.
Genius
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Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
May 1st, 2008, 12:30 PM
Bush is a war criminal and as such should be charged with war crimes. The invasion if Iraq wasillegal, based on lies, andthe contuing disastor there a disgrace. I don't honestly know how the man can sleep at night with all the blood on his hands. He is an embarrasment, and a black spot on democracy. I seriously doubt his IQ is greater than his shoe size. He is the reason for the oil prices today, and the economic disaster facing north america. The only trouble is, he thinks he has done nothing wrong. What a moron.
Bush is a war criminal and as such should be charged with war crimes. The invasion if Iraq wasillegal, based on lies, andthe contuing disastor there a disgrace. I don't honestly know how the man can sleep at night with all the blood on his hands. He is an embarrasment, and a black spot on democracy. I seriously doubt his IQ is greater than his shoe size. He is the reason for the oil prices today, and the economic disaster facing north america. The only trouble is, he thinks he has done nothing wrong. What a moron.
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Location: Saint John, N.B.
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May 1st, 2008, 12:53 PM
war criminal?
Let's get it straight........international law is a complete joke, and is completely ignored by the sensible........the invasion of Iraq was a stupid mistake, based on incorrect information, not lies.........how bright is Bush?, well...it appears not very, but that is not the same as being a monster. AND Bush is simply not responsible for today's oil prices.....nor is he responsible for teenage acne.
There is lots to criticize Bush for, perhaps even enough to make him a candidate for worst President.....for example his trampling of the US Constitution, his running into massive deficit while offering tax cuts to the rich, his tolerance of torture..........but when people go so far over the top, they drown out the more important issues......
Quoting Risus
Okay.
Bush is a war criminal and as such should be charged with war crimes. The invasion if Iraq wasillegal, based on lies, andthe contuing disastor there a disgrace. I don't honestly know how the man can sleep at night with all the blood on his hands. He is an embarrasment, and a black spot on democracy. I seriously doubt his IQ is greater than his shoe size. He is the reason for the oil prices today, and the economic disaster facing north america. The only trouble is, he thinks he has done nothing wrong. What a moron.
war criminal?
Let's get it straight........international law is a complete joke, and is completely ignored by the sensible........the invasion of Iraq was a stupid mistake, based on incorrect information, not lies.........how bright is Bush?, well...it appears not very, but that is not the same as being a monster. AND Bush is simply not responsible for today's oil prices.....nor is he responsible for teenage acne.
There is lots to criticize Bush for, perhaps even enough to make him a candidate for worst President.....for example his trampling of the US Constitution, his running into massive deficit while offering tax cuts to the rich, his tolerance of torture..........but when people go so far over the top, they drown out the more important issues......
Mass'Debator
Posts: 4,205
Location: Atlantic Canada
Location: Atlantic Canada
May 1st, 2008, 02:01 PM
Yeah, he's still a War Criminal. The Captian should go down with his ship, the Commander is responsible for the actions and disipline of his troops, etc etc.....
Oh, but none of it was his fault, no no... he was just given false information like everybody else, and being the leader and having access to some of the most advanced technology and resources, one would think he could have put a little more effort into confirming his wild acusations.
But then again, apparently they went to Iraq based on information they obtained from torturing people, something he doesn't have a problem with and even veeto'd a bill or two that would have prevented him from continuing his torturing ways.... so he's still at fault.
And even though everybody see it all as one big lie and we all know they shouldn't have been in Iraq to begin with, let alone stay there, is Bush out there trying to seek justice and blame shift those who gave him these lies that sent them off to war?
No.... he's just telling us to stay the course and that they can not lose in Iraq, blah blah blah..... infringement of basic human rights, how many thousands of US troops killed and wounded? How many Iraqi's and Afghans are dead, wounded, displaced, etc?
No.... he's just too stupid to be held accountable for anything, sure sure.
It was all just a stupid mistake based on incorrect information? Are you serious?
If you want to be a leader of a country and you want to play the big game with all the other big wigs in the world, then you accept the consiquences of your decisions and actions and when you send thousands of your own people off to their own deaths, when your decisions and actions are responsible for the distruction and destabalization of another soverign nation, killing thousands apon thousands of their own people, when you torture and detain for as long as you please, people you suspect are terrorists, without any charge or rellivent evidence..... and when you start to do the exact same damn thing with Iran as you just did with Iraq and Afghanistan...... you say it's all just one big stupid mistake and leave it at that?
Holy sweet jesus under the sun eating potato chips batman! You're not serious.
He's the modern day War Criminal.... probably one of the first of the Century, and his sorry monkey ass should be hung like the war criminal he is.
FFS the ammount of people Saddam killed by his own decisions and actions pale in comparison to Bush and his own decisions/actions.... he was found guilty and he was hung until he was dead.... all the while having people heckle and taunt him in his last moments of life....... but by your own logic, Bush deserves much better?
Wow....
Yeah, he's still a War Criminal. The Captian should go down with his ship, the Commander is responsible for the actions and disipline of his troops, etc etc.....
Oh, but none of it was his fault, no no... he was just given false information like everybody else, and being the leader and having access to some of the most advanced technology and resources, one would think he could have put a little more effort into confirming his wild acusations.
But then again, apparently they went to Iraq based on information they obtained from torturing people, something he doesn't have a problem with and even veeto'd a bill or two that would have prevented him from continuing his torturing ways.... so he's still at fault.
And even though everybody see it all as one big lie and we all know they shouldn't have been in Iraq to begin with, let alone stay there, is Bush out there trying to seek justice and blame shift those who gave him these lies that sent them off to war?
No.... he's just telling us to stay the course and that they can not lose in Iraq, blah blah blah..... infringement of basic human rights, how many thousands of US troops killed and wounded? How many Iraqi's and Afghans are dead, wounded, displaced, etc?
No.... he's just too stupid to be held accountable for anything, sure sure.
It was all just a stupid mistake based on incorrect information? Are you serious?
If you want to be a leader of a country and you want to play the big game with all the other big wigs in the world, then you accept the consiquences of your decisions and actions and when you send thousands of your own people off to their own deaths, when your decisions and actions are responsible for the distruction and destabalization of another soverign nation, killing thousands apon thousands of their own people, when you torture and detain for as long as you please, people you suspect are terrorists, without any charge or rellivent evidence..... and when you start to do the exact same damn thing with Iran as you just did with Iraq and Afghanistan...... you say it's all just one big stupid mistake and leave it at that?
Holy sweet jesus under the sun eating potato chips batman! You're not serious.
He's the modern day War Criminal.... probably one of the first of the Century, and his sorry monkey ass should be hung like the war criminal he is.
FFS the ammount of people Saddam killed by his own decisions and actions pale in comparison to Bush and his own decisions/actions.... he was found guilty and he was hung until he was dead.... all the while having people heckle and taunt him in his last moments of life....... but by your own logic, Bush deserves much better?
Wow....
Genius
Posts: 1,262
Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
May 1st, 2008, 04:18 PM
Because of this invasion, based on trumped up 'evidence' lots innocent lives were lost including women and children. You don't think he should be charged with war crimes?? Surely you jest.
And as far as oil prices go, if the invasion hadn't happened, oil prices would not have risen as they have. Look at the price increase trend before and after the invasion...
Quoting Colpy
The invasion of Iraq was not a mistake based on incorrect information. It was based on lies drummed up by buskinski and his cohorts. He was out to get Hussein as a personal vandetta because he believed Hussein had wanted his father dead. He was quoted in either Newsweek of Time magazine (sorry I can't remember which) saying that he was out to get Hussein because he had threatened his father.
Okay.
war criminal?
Let's get it straight........international law is a complete joke, and is completely ignored by the sensible........the invasion of Iraq was a stupid mistake, based on incorrect information, not lies.........how bright is Bush?, well...it appears not very, but that is not the same as being a monster. AND Bush is simply not responsible for today's oil prices.....nor is he responsible for teenage acne.
There is lots to criticize Bush for, perhaps even enough to make him a candidate for worst President.....for example his trampling of the US Constitution, his running into massive deficit while offering tax cuts to the rich, his tolerance of torture..........but when people go so far over the top, they drown out the more important issues......
war criminal?
Let's get it straight........international law is a complete joke, and is completely ignored by the sensible........the invasion of Iraq was a stupid mistake, based on incorrect information, not lies.........how bright is Bush?, well...it appears not very, but that is not the same as being a monster. AND Bush is simply not responsible for today's oil prices.....nor is he responsible for teenage acne.
There is lots to criticize Bush for, perhaps even enough to make him a candidate for worst President.....for example his trampling of the US Constitution, his running into massive deficit while offering tax cuts to the rich, his tolerance of torture..........but when people go so far over the top, they drown out the more important issues......
Because of this invasion, based on trumped up 'evidence' lots innocent lives were lost including women and children. You don't think he should be charged with war crimes?? Surely you jest.
And as far as oil prices go, if the invasion hadn't happened, oil prices would not have risen as they have. Look at the price increase trend before and after the invasion...
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May 1st, 2008, 06:44 PM
[quote=Colpy;948682]Okay.
war criminal?
Let's get it straight........international law is a complete joke, and is completely ignored by the sensible........the invasion of Iraq was a stupid mistake, based on incorrect information, not lies.........
Bush and his henchmen completely ignored the evidence which urged and said that there
was NOT enough evidence of WMDs, and they cherry picked the information which they
could push as YES there is enough evidence.
That is not a mistake, but deliberate moves to make sure their plan could go ahead.
Yeah, Bush is stupid, but his partners aren"t, and they knew how to work this info.
in their favour, and of course Bush just stands around saying, "sure guys whatever you
say, sound good to me, and um he did try to kill my dad, lets get him.
[quote=Colpy;948682]Okay.
war criminal?
Let's get it straight........international law is a complete joke, and is completely ignored by the sensible........the invasion of Iraq was a stupid mistake, based on incorrect information, not lies.........
Bush and his henchmen completely ignored the evidence which urged and said that there
was NOT enough evidence of WMDs, and they cherry picked the information which they
could push as YES there is enough evidence.
That is not a mistake, but deliberate moves to make sure their plan could go ahead.
Yeah, Bush is stupid, but his partners aren"t, and they knew how to work this info.
in their favour, and of course Bush just stands around saying, "sure guys whatever you
say, sound good to me, and um he did try to kill my dad, lets get him.
House Member
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Location: Minnesota: Gopher State
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May 1st, 2008, 08:28 PM
based on incorrect information, not lies
We've gone through this about 65,000 times on this forum. How many more times must I or anyone else post or re-post the Downing Street Memo to prove Bush's pre-planned criminal invasion was based on lies??
based on incorrect information, not lies
We've gone through this about 65,000 times on this forum. How many more times must I or anyone else post or re-post the Downing Street Memo to prove Bush's pre-planned criminal invasion was based on lies??
Genius
Posts: 1,262
Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
May 3rd, 2008, 01:50 PM
Quoting gopher
It was actually a personal vandetta.
based on incorrect information, not lies
We've gone through this about 65,000 times on this forum. How many more times must I or anyone else post or re-post the Downing Street Memo to prove Bush's pre-planned criminal invasion was based on lies??
We've gone through this about 65,000 times on this forum. How many more times must I or anyone else post or re-post the Downing Street Memo to prove Bush's pre-planned criminal invasion was based on lies??
House Member
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May 3rd, 2008, 09:50 PM
That same Memo helped bring down Tony Blair's regime. Had the controlled reich wing media in the USA reported it properly, it would have brought down the Bush regime as well.
Therefore, there is no basis for Colpy's continued pretence that Bush was somehow misled. The war is an act of criminal aggression on Bush's part for which he deserves a Nuremburg Tribunal with all of its severities.
That same Memo helped bring down Tony Blair's regime. Had the controlled reich wing media in the USA reported it properly, it would have brought down the Bush regime as well.
Therefore, there is no basis for Colpy's continued pretence that Bush was somehow misled. The war is an act of criminal aggression on Bush's part for which he deserves a Nuremburg Tribunal with all of its severities.
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May 4th, 2008, 07:32 AM
Quoting Colpy
This bears repeating.
but when people go so far over the top, they drown out the more important issues......
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May 4th, 2008, 09:38 AM
Kreskin
When you make decision about the welfare of your family, I'll bet you talk things over with your significant other and consider a great deal in terms of liklihoods and potentials, consequences and possible repercussions from the choice your looking at, and the possible answer or decision you'll make.....
What I've been trying to get across in other threads is that the decisions and choices that the president has are not predicated on the same values-framework or overarching principles that the individual (or the pair of individuals who constitute a "parenting unit") have or need to consider. They are certainly related but in the final analysis, the prosperity protection and well-being both domestically and internationally is the gestalt upon which the leadership must build his decision-making paradigm.
In a "perfect-world" perhaps an embargo against Iraq after Saddam invaded Kuwait would have been enough...... In a perfect-world, scapegoats aren't nearly as important to cultivate as is enthusiasm for the methodologies that secure the peace and prosperity of a nation. George Bush failed in this most basic differentiation from who he is as individual and who he is as "President".
Nonetheless, if you're subject to the demands/whims/appetities of a greedy self-serving wholy self-absorbed citizenry who would not abide a more measured and reasonable response to terrorism ...but demand that retribution be exacted from the "enemy"...the Taliban and Al Qeada...(both originating in the homelands of your closest "allies".... and the opportunity to magnify and expand on your opportunity while serving the interests of your mother-country (Israel) with potential to rob the people of Iraq of their freedom and of course their petroleum.....Inthe greater scheme of things....your pals with defense contracts and petroleum junkies.....you'll do exactly what George W. Bush did.
The man has a failure of personality coupled with a failure to synthesize the greater picture.
A complete and utter failure from the word go!
But he is a good "Republican".
Kreskin
When you make decision about the welfare of your family, I'll bet you talk things over with your significant other and consider a great deal in terms of liklihoods and potentials, consequences and possible repercussions from the choice your looking at, and the possible answer or decision you'll make.....
What I've been trying to get across in other threads is that the decisions and choices that the president has are not predicated on the same values-framework or overarching principles that the individual (or the pair of individuals who constitute a "parenting unit") have or need to consider. They are certainly related but in the final analysis, the prosperity protection and well-being both domestically and internationally is the gestalt upon which the leadership must build his decision-making paradigm.
In a "perfect-world" perhaps an embargo against Iraq after Saddam invaded Kuwait would have been enough...... In a perfect-world, scapegoats aren't nearly as important to cultivate as is enthusiasm for the methodologies that secure the peace and prosperity of a nation. George Bush failed in this most basic differentiation from who he is as individual and who he is as "President".
Nonetheless, if you're subject to the demands/whims/appetities of a greedy self-serving wholy self-absorbed citizenry who would not abide a more measured and reasonable response to terrorism ...but demand that retribution be exacted from the "enemy"...the Taliban and Al Qeada...(both originating in the homelands of your closest "allies".... and the opportunity to magnify and expand on your opportunity while serving the interests of your mother-country (Israel) with potential to rob the people of Iraq of their freedom and of course their petroleum.....Inthe greater scheme of things....your pals with defense contracts and petroleum junkies.....you'll do exactly what George W. Bush did.
The man has a failure of personality coupled with a failure to synthesize the greater picture.
A complete and utter failure from the word go!
But he is a good "Republican".
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Posts: 9,531
May 4th, 2008, 11:17 AM
In VietNam, Cambodia, and Laos, approximately four million civilians were killed by bombing.and some are still dying of the affects of Agent Orange. The thing is, that several presidents had their hands in it but I guess the deaths could be apportioned to the deserving culprits. Seems to me American bombers killed a million or two civilians in Korea as well.
Quoting Sal
Hi Sal
They should do a death count. Has any president in their history ever been responsible for more deaths. I doubt even Hiroshima comes close.
In VietNam, Cambodia, and Laos, approximately four million civilians were killed by bombing.and some are still dying of the affects of Agent Orange. The thing is, that several presidents had their hands in it but I guess the deaths could be apportioned to the deserving culprits. Seems to me American bombers killed a million or two civilians in Korea as well.
