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A tad late, but probably better late than never.
A tad late, but probably better late than never.
Lakotas withdraw from treaties
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WASHINGTON — The Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the United States.
"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us,'' long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means said.
A delegation of Lakota leaders has delivered a message to the State Department, and said they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the U.S., some of them more than 150 years old.
The group also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and would continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months.
Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.
The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free - provided residents renounce their U.S. citizenship, Mr Means said.
The treaties signed with the U.S. were merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists said.
Withdrawing from the treaties was entirely legal, Means said.
"This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically article six of the constitution,'' which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, he said.
"It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent,'' said Means.
The Lakota relaunched their journey to freedom in 1974, when they drafted a declaration of continuing independence — an overt play on the title of the United States' Declaration of Independence from England.
Thirty-three years have elapsed since then because "it takes critical mass to combat colonialism and we wanted to make sure that all our ducks were in a row,'' Means said.
One duck moved into place in September, when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples — despite opposition from the United States, which said it clashed with its own laws.
"We have 33 treaties with the United States that they have not lived by. They continue to take our land, our water, our children,'' Phyllis Young, who helped organize the first international conference on indigenous rights in Geneva in 1977, told the news conference.
The U.S. "annexation'' of native American land has resulted in once proud tribes such as the Lakota becoming mere "facsimiles of white people,'' said Means.
Oppression at the hands of the U.S. government has taken its toll on the Lakota, whose men have one of the shortest life expectancies - less than 44 years - in the world.
Lakota teen suicides are 150 per cent above the norm for the U.S.; infant mortality is five times higher than the U.S. average; and unemployment is rife, according to the Lakota freedom movement's website.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317548,00.html __________________
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"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us,'' long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means said.
A delegation of Lakota leaders has delivered a message to the State Department, and said they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the U.S., some of them more than 150 years old.
The group also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and would continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months.
Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.
The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free - provided residents renounce their U.S. citizenship, Mr Means said.
The treaties signed with the U.S. were merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists said.
Withdrawing from the treaties was entirely legal, Means said.
"This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically article six of the constitution,'' which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, he said.
"It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent,'' said Means.
The Lakota relaunched their journey to freedom in 1974, when they drafted a declaration of continuing independence — an overt play on the title of the United States' Declaration of Independence from England.
Thirty-three years have elapsed since then because "it takes critical mass to combat colonialism and we wanted to make sure that all our ducks were in a row,'' Means said.
One duck moved into place in September, when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples — despite opposition from the United States, which said it clashed with its own laws.
"We have 33 treaties with the United States that they have not lived by. They continue to take our land, our water, our children,'' Phyllis Young, who helped organize the first international conference on indigenous rights in Geneva in 1977, told the news conference.
The U.S. "annexation'' of native American land has resulted in once proud tribes such as the Lakota becoming mere "facsimiles of white people,'' said Means.
Oppression at the hands of the U.S. government has taken its toll on the Lakota, whose men have one of the shortest life expectancies - less than 44 years - in the world.
Lakota teen suicides are 150 per cent above the norm for the U.S.; infant mortality is five times higher than the U.S. average; and unemployment is rife, according to the Lakota freedom movement's website.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317548,00.html __________________
Nuggler knows, nuggler glows, nuggler for PM in the AM:lol:
Just so long as you don't have a general named George. :lol:
Be interesting to see what happens considering Canada has a lot of Indians pee'd off with Great White Mother....
Woof!
Five bucks says you're lookin at the end of life as you know it Smack.
You ask me last week why I'd eat Americans with parsnips Smack, it's because when you lot get here we;ll be down to our last few potatoes and you'll be a welcome diversion from starvation.:lol:
It's a joke man I won't have enough fire wood left to boil you.hahahahahahahah
Well it really won't go anywhere. They can talk to the UN all they want but outside of their reservation they have no pull. The Native Americans are pretty much left to their own devices but it has been shown that if they try to overstep their boundaries the authorities, be it state level or federal WILL step in.
For example, a few years ago a Native American tribe began selling cigarettes w/o state taxes. The state informed them to cease and desist. They refused and the state went in and successfully seized all of their stock...and that was that. I think it was in Connecticut but i am not positive. What I am positive about was the state police went into the reservation and arrested everyone and took all of the cigs. End of story.
For example, a few years ago a Native American tribe began selling cigarettes w/o state taxes. The state informed them to cease and desist. They refused and the state went in and successfully seized all of their stock...and that was that. I think it was in Connecticut but i am not positive. What I am positive about was the state police went into the reservation and arrested everyone and took all of the cigs. End of story.
Nuggler knows, nuggler glows, nuggler for PM in the AM:lol: "quoting the Beaver of great Darkness.
Thanks DB, I won't run, and if (what's with this underscore?), and if acclaimed, won't serve.
But, it's a nice thought.
(mighty white of ya)..........................:walk
maybe that's not a good thing.
Thanks DB, I won't run, and if (what's with this underscore?), and if acclaimed, won't serve.
But, it's a nice thought.
(mighty white of ya)..........................:walk
maybe that's not a good thing.
Ah.....................nah...........sorry. Try about 5 minutes with army and air force, and every local swat team. Lots of feet, setting all over, with guns and all.
If Bush can call the constitution "just a goddam piece of paper", and get away with it, (so far), methinks he would charge into reservations looking for WMD, or whatever, or maybe even without a good reason.
Moot point, cause as Eagle says, ain't gonna happen. ( I just thought it was neat they'd think of trying it........the Indians that is)
Before everyone gets all excited about the rampant anti-white man/ anti americansim you think is about to bust out of the Badlands of South Dakota, have a look at this...
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4405009,00.html
I was there, I'm one of the Marines in the Story. The Lakota are one of the most honorable patrotic peoples I've ever met.
So yes, there is much the US govt has done much that is evil by the Sioux, but while I was on the Reservation, I didn't see anything but rampant patriotism, and never recieved anything but complete hospitality and open arms.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4405009,00.html
I was there, I'm one of the Marines in the Story. The Lakota are one of the most honorable patrotic peoples I've ever met.
So yes, there is much the US govt has done much that is evil by the Sioux, but while I was on the Reservation, I didn't see anything but rampant patriotism, and never recieved anything but complete hospitality and open arms.
I didn't necessarily take such an action as having only unpatriotic implications and/or possibilities thomaska.
What struck me is the possibility to renounce a treaty, and simply turn around and sell your land to the highest bidder, or conversely, CHOOSE to be an american, full fledged, no treaty issues and live as a completely integrated citizen without all the 'they're living off the white man' BS that gets thrown their way constantly. I know that's not the way the article is written, or the facet of the issue it tackles. Just one aspect that occurred to me.
What struck me is the possibility to renounce a treaty, and simply turn around and sell your land to the highest bidder, or conversely, CHOOSE to be an american, full fledged, no treaty issues and live as a completely integrated citizen without all the 'they're living off the white man' BS that gets thrown their way constantly. I know that's not the way the article is written, or the facet of the issue it tackles. Just one aspect that occurred to me.
Aw ballz.... I had a good post and everything... wtf... disappeared like Willow's pig. Screw it, I ain't typing that all out again.
Good for the Natives.. I'm all for it and I'd live there.
Good for the Natives.. I'm all for it and I'd live there.
No one said anything was going to bust out of anywhere, Thomaska. No one said anything negative about the character of the Lakota.
If you got the jist of the whole thing, we were supportive of the thoughts they had, the idea of doing it. But my conclusion was that it ain't gonna work.
Further, no one said anythng negative about the patriotism of the Lakota.
What thread were you reading?
Peace.
Relax Nuggler I only got a couple of million bucks, that's got to last till spring, I can't afford a campaigne right now anyway.:lol:
This reminds me of a 'Family Guy' episode where Peter seceded from the U.S. and declared his property 'Peteroria' or something like that. It didn't work there and I have doubts that it will work in this case. I don't know how the Lakotas interact with the gov't financially,but if it is anything like the bands do in Canada,this is going nowhere fast.
You can call it irrelevant but when push comes to shove it has been proven that their laws must fall in line with the goverment. If they try to push it, the state or government will go in regardless of what they say. I am sure that the tribe selling cigarettes free of state taxes thought they were well within their rights to do so. They thumbed their noses and the governor sent in the state police. In the end the state government won out did they not? Sure there were all kinds of protests and screaming but the end result was in the states favor. These reservations are property of the Native Americans. They are pretty much free to do what they want providing they do not go to far. Even with casinos. There are ways that the state gets their cut.
When Foxwoods was built in Connecticut the tribe did not want to give the state anything. It was their land and they were going to keep everything. The governor simply said that the state would then be forced to build a casino of their own close by. The tribe then decided to negotiate.
American Revolution 2 for Christmess, what a lovely gift for the rest of the world.And smart Americans.
Nah that would not be any fun. Who would the world have to pick on? What would CC be without the evil empire to make threads about?