Texas Considers Executing Repeat Child Rapists


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Bill Also Boosts Minimum Sentences


AUSTIN, Texas -- Backers of a Texas state Senate bill to toughen punishment for child-sex offenders said they've reached a deal that would permit the death penalty for offenders who repeatedly prey on children.

The compromise bill, which was distributed to Senate members on Tuesday, would allow the death penalty only for those twice convicted of raping a child 13 or younger. It also boosts mandatory minimum sentences for a variety of sex crimes against children.

"The goals here were pretty simple: protect children, send a message to child predators. Texas is not going to tolerate these kinds of heinous crimes," said Rich Parsons, a spokesman for Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst, a leader of the charge for tougher penalties for child molesters.

The House passed its version of the bill, dubbed Jessica's Law, last month. It carries a minimum of 25 years to life in prison on a first conviction and possibly the death penalty for a second offense.

The law is named after Jessica Lunsford, a Florida girl who was abducted and killed. More than a dozen states have passed versions of Jessica's Law to crack down on sex offenders and Gov. Rick Perry has deemed passage of a child sex offender bill a legislative emergency.

Staffers of Sen. Bob Deuell, R-Greenville, the bill's sponsor, said the Senate could take up the compromise bill as soon as Thursday.

"The only thing we impose the death penalty for is two (penetration) aggravated sexual assaults of a child," Deuell said.

"There's a trigger in there that if the U.S. Supreme Court rules that the death penalty for nonmurder is unconstitutional, then everything will revert back to life without parole."

The compromise tones down sex-offender penalties initially supported by Dewhurst and Deuell. The original bill called for mandatory minimum sentence of 25 years for a wide variety of sex crimes against children. A second offense for any of those could have resulted in the death penalty.

The compromise bill requires 25-year mandatory sentences only for first convictions of rape of a young child. It also requires many convicted predators to serve 75 percent of their sentences.

The proposal increases sexual assault of a child from a second- to first-degree felony, pushing minimum sentencing from two to 10 years. A second conviction could bring life without parole.

The bill also increases punishment indecency with a child and for possession of large amounts of child pornography.

Defense lawyers weren't part of most of the compromise negotiations, said David Gonzalez, of the Texas Criminal Defense Lawyers Association.

He criticized the mandatory minimum sentencing and said it's unconstitutional to sentence the death penalty for nonmurder offenses.

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press
 
tamarin
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It'd be a lot easier if we just offed all habitual criminals. If it's a proven that you live to prey on others why do we question putting our communities first?
 
I think not
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We should find a remote island somewhere and air drop all the lifers on it. Navies can patrol the island so there won't be any escape.
 
tamarin
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Sounds like a movie! It'd be a great reality show...hmmmm, are we ready for the big leagues?
 
eh1eh
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Guess Texas thinks it's not so bad the first few times.

ITN, Can you say target practice.
 
#juan
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If only Texas didn't have more children in jail than any other state.
 
On.Journey
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I agree, put them away, really there should be no understanding whatsoever for them.
 
Josephine
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On this issue, we should take some notes from them. A minimum sentence of 10 years would a huge improvement from ours!!!
I'm not opposed to the death sentence for child rapists, the damage they do is forever.
Either lock them up for life or kill, other than that, I don't believe they will ever stop!
 
tamarin
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Child rapists are like domestic b/e'ers and some other riffraff. The damage they do is longstanding. I don't know how we ever got in this box where we either have to institutionalize or attempt to rehabilitate those whose crimes are simply too grievous to forgive.
 
Josephine
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Quote: Originally Posted by tamarinView Post

Child rapists are like domestic b/e'ers and some other riffraff. The damage they do is longstanding. I don't know how we ever got in this box where we either have to institutionalize or attempt to rehabilitate those whose crimes are simply too grievous to forgive.

Here Here!
 
lysyfacet
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The thing i don't understand is why would we even second think about executing this person. Why should someone that makes others lives miserable be let to live. Putting them in jail doesn't do anything, it keeps them off the streets, but they still have the facilities such as food and a place to stay aka jail cell. Think about it, do you think criminals want to be left on the streets with nothing, they don't mind the jail life. Execution is totally OK! I know some argue it but thats just my opinion, a man such as this doesn't deserve to life.
 
hermanntrude
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Quote: Originally Posted by lysyfacetView Post

The thing i don't understand is why would we even second think about executing this person. Why should someone that makes others lives miserable be let to live. Putting them in jail doesn't do anything, it keeps them off the streets, but they still have the facilities such as food and a place to stay aka jail cell. Think about it, do you think criminals want to be left on the streets with nothing, they don't mind the jail life. Execution is totally OK! I know some argue it but thats just my opinion, a man such as this doesn't deserve to life.

the thing I dont understand is why you as a christian can endorse killing

remember moses? he had a few lumps of stone with writing on them.... one of them was rather relavent to this thread.... now what was it???

THOU SHALT NOT KILL
 
lysyfacet
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Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrudeView Post

the thing I dont understand is why you as a christian can endorse killing

remember moses? he had a few lumps of stone with writing on them.... one of them was rather relavent to this thread.... now what was it???

THOU SHALT NOT KILL

i agree...Thou shalt not kill, and i live up to that standard. But what do you do with a problem that has only one way of being delt with. You need to understand times have changed, the pitty crimes back 100+ years ago don't even compare to now. "I" as a christian wouldn't ever kill someone, but authorities already give themselves that "right" so why not use it to the completeness.
 
hermanntrude
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so you think it's wrong to kill but it's ok for someone ELSE to kill.

I'm not christian but i do appreciate the sense in "thou shalt not kill". I dont want anyone killing anyone. It's not right.

Ive had this debate before on CC so maybe you can search the threads and find what i said before. I'm too emotionally drained for a fight today and i expect if i kept it up tamarin would come in and state that it's my weak-livered leftyism that's causing the downfall of the entire universe and then I'd have to break my own rule and kill someone.
 
lysyfacet
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Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrudeView Post

so you think it's wrong to kill but it's ok for someone ELSE to kill.

I'm not christian but i do appreciate the sense in "thou shalt not kill". I dont want anyone killing anyone. It's not right.

Ive had this debate before on CC so maybe you can search the threads and find what i said before. I'm too emotionally drained for a fight today and i expect if i kept it up tamarin would come in and state that it's my weak-livered leftyism that's causing the downfall of the entire universe and then I'd have to break my own rule and kill someone.

i don't want to fight with you on this matter...i have no intensions of doing that. I understand you have your views on "killing" and i have mine. And i'm not making it ok that someone else does the killing, but our societies have already come to that. Here in Canada there is no such thing as the death penalty, which i think is great. But go down the in USA and see, certain states do have it.
Ok so besides teh "tho shalt not kill"...what is another reason they "authorities" shouldn't kill a criminal of such offences. Those incharge, are not christians such as "me". They're views are completely different...and besides taht one comanment they have no other doubts or reasons not to execute.
 
TenPenny
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Raping a child is pretty much the worst crime imagineable...I have no problem with 25 as a minimum, with execution on a second offense.
 
Pangloss
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Ten Penny:

Stop and think for a moment. Is raping a child really the worst crime imaginable? It is truly horrible, but I bet you can think of worse.

If by "worst" you mean "most damaging," which might be a good place to start, then murder is worse. Here's why: it is conceivable for someone to come to terms with being raped, and go on to lead a good life, to enjoy love, eat good food, be a friend - well you get the idea.

Someone who is murdered is just dead. No coming to terms, no possibility of any future pleasures or pains, well, no future at all.

Rape is horrible - the repercussions of the attack and violation stay with the victim for a very long time, maybe all their life. But they have a life. And being alive is better than being dead. At least most of the time.

So perhaps child rape isn't the worst crime imaginable.

Pangloss
 
Josephine
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Quote: Originally Posted by PanglossView Post

Ten Penny:

Stop and think for a moment. Is raping a child really the worst crime imaginable? It is truly horrible, but I bet you can think of worse.

If by "worst" you mean "most damaging," which might be a good place to start, then murder is worse. Here's why: it is conceivable for someone to come to terms with being raped, and go on to lead a good life, to enjoy love, eat good food, be a friend - well you get the idea.

Someone who is murdered is just dead. No coming to terms, no possibility of any future pleasures or pains, well, no future at all.

Rape is horrible - the repercussions of the attack and violation stay with the victim for a very long time, maybe all their life. But they have a life. And being alive is better than being dead. At least most of the time.

So perhaps child rape isn't the worst crime imaginable.

Pangloss

Child rape may not be the worst crime imaginable, but it still deserves extremely harsh punishment. The effects on the child are much different than the effects on an adult. If you're a child and you're raped, or molested, that is your introduction to sex, to intimacy, and it is the worst violation. As a child you have no preconception of this, this experience shapes your view, your idea of sex. The damage is life-long, for after that moment you will forever be a different person than you would have been had you not been violated.
I'm a lefty in politics, but on this, my pity is with the victims. The rapists and molesters should be locked away where they have no more opportunitites to destroy innocent lives.
 
Pangloss
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Quote: Originally Posted by JosephineView Post

Child rape may not be the worst crime imaginable, but it still deserves extremely harsh punishment. The effects on the child are much different than the effects on an adult. If you're a child and you're raped, or molested, that is your introduction to sex, to intimacy, and it is the worst violation. As a child you have no preconception of this, this experience shapes your view, your idea of sex. The damage is life-long, for after that moment you will forever be a different person than you would have been had you not been violated.
I'm a lefty in politics, but on this, my pity is with the victims. The rapists and molesters should be locked away where they have no more opportunitites to destroy innocent lives.

Josephine, again - I have no real argument with anyone on this thread, except for the hyperbole. ". . .it is the worst violation." No it's not - murder is probably the worst violation. Or perhaps sustained torture and mutilation.

Save the biggest language for the biggest ideas. Because if you say it is the worst violation, and it's not, then what do you call a worse violation? You run out of language.

Pangloss

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Josephine
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Quote: Originally Posted by PanglossView Post

Josephine, again - I have no real argument with anyone on this thread, except for the hyperbole. ". . .it is the worst violation." No it's not - murder is probably the worst violation. Or perhaps sustained torture and mutilation.

Save the biggest language for the biggest ideas. Because if you say it is the worst violation, and it's not, then what do you call a worse violation? You run out of language.

Pangloss

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It's only my opinion. To use your analogy...I do believe that raping a child is a worse violation than torturing an adult...but then I could be biased, as I only have knowledge about one of them.
 
Libra Girl
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Quote: Originally Posted by JosephineView Post

It's only my opinion. To use your analogy...I do believe that raping a child is a worse violation than torturing an adult...but then I could be biased, as I only have knowledge about one of them.

...and your opinion is as valid as anyone elses here Josephine, especially since you have experienced either torture or child abuse, as you mentioned.
Personally I 'sit on the fence' on the issue of the death penalty. I do feel that some crimes merit such extreme measures, yet the knowledge that over 122 death row inmates have been freed since the 70's, because of indisputable evidence such as DNA, or other, as uncomfortable as it is I can't seem to alight from the fence one way or another.
 
unclepercy
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Quote: Originally Posted by I think notView Post

We should find a remote island somewhere and air drop all the lifers on it. Navies can patrol the island so there won't be any escape.

I thought of this same thing years ago. Let the troublemakers create a society that suits them. Drop a load of pork and beans once a month and see what happens...
Uncle
 
Josephine
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Quote: Originally Posted by unclepercyView Post

I thought of this same thing years ago. Let the troublemakers create a society that suits them. Drop a load of pork and beans once a month and see what happens...
Uncle

I'll vote for that...would be quite interesting to see how they manage!
 
talloola
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I am thoroughly in favour of executing them, and murderers as well, as I think Texas does many.
In my opinion the person committing the crime, is deciding 'his/her own fate when they committ
the crime, and nobody is making a decision to kill, they made it themselves, the only move left
if actually doing it, and that is also done with the killer/rapists permission, at the second he/she
committed the crime.
 
the caracal kid
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i would ask of all those so quick to drop the axe on those convicted, would you step forward to do the act yourself?

how would you feel should it be found that the person you killed was innocent?

should you then also be put to death for for your crime?


so easy it is to disregard life. so easy it is to justify the slaughtering of others.

this is a true measure of a society.

for in the devalation of a life of one you hold in contempt,

you devalue the life of all within your society.
 
Josephine
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Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kidView Post

i would ask of all those so quick to drop the axe on those convicted, would you step forward to do the act yourself?

how would you feel should it be found that the person you killed was innocent?

should you then also be put to death for for your crime?


so easy it is to disregard life. so easy it is to justify the slaughtering of others.

this is a true measure of a society.

for in the devalation of a life of one you hold in contempt,

you devalue the life of all within your society.

Being totally honest here...I think if it came down to it...I could be the one to drop the ax...for this crime. And in regards to this crime, the number of false accusations can be quite high, but the number of those falsely convicted...I don't event know those statistics, and I couldn't find them on the net. People are falsely convicted of murder...but I haven't heard of any where someone is falsely convicted of raping a child or molesting them.
 
normbc9
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While I don't pretend to know all of the facts surrounding this stand by some legislators in Texas I do applaud the approach to handling any repeat rapist whether the victim is male or female (there are male rape victims too) anyone who is so out of control and violent as this should be dealt with in the harshest of manners. We as a society are too accepting about what the excuses are mouthed by the perpetrators of violent crimes against another human being such as this. Nothing gives anyone the right to commit a crime like this against another human being. What does seem to help as a deterrent to the vicious crimes of this nature is the fear of getting caught by the perpetrator. I'll bet there would be a small deterrent affect. Any affect at all is a positive step in my book. We need to become stricter as a society about crimes of this nature. They are unaccepatble to me and certainly cause irreperable damage to the victims.
 
temperance
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All back it!!! I think that some people that live thur sexual rape as children have to live a life of utter pain ,feelings of dirtiness and other problems with thier sexuality --What does the rapist get 3 squares, meds and warm bed and out in a couple years to rob another life ,castration does work ,they(goverment) may have to do something before people take it upon themselves to remove the rapist.We as a society pay for this person 100.00 at least a day court fees and all just to see it happen over and over .
 
talloola
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[quote=the caracal kid;827474]i would ask of all those so quick to drop the axe on those convicted, would you step forward to do the act yourself?
Don't agree with any of the above. We must look after our children, they are innocent, and stop for a minute, close your eyes, and actually visualize exactly what those monsters
do to our children. The last one, Jessica, was raped, and stuffed into a plastic bag, sealed
up, and buried, when they found her, they proved that she had been alive, as there were
scratch marks up and down the inside of the bag. Trained medical prison staff can
do the job, no axes, just a lethal dose, those monsters go to jail, then they come out and
do the same crime over and over, they are never cured, they are in the country by the
thousands and thousands, everything that has been done so far, has not worked, so, do
you think it's OK for these monsters to come out of jail and rape and murder our children?
These people are the scum of the earth. They are taking over the internet with their filth, and they are making families worry, to even let their children go to and from school alone.
 
the caracal kid
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the only thing worse now is the fearmongering.

Indeed, society must look after itself. This is the universal justification for every act of terrorism commited.
 

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