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GORE REFUSES TO TAKE PERSONAL ENERGY ETHICS PLEDGE
WASHINGTON, DC – Former Vice President Al Gore refused to take a “Personal Energy Ethics Pledge” today to consume no more energy than the average American household. The pledge was presented to Gore by Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.), Ranking Member of the Environment and Public Works Committee, during today’s global warming hearing.

Senator Inhofe showed Gore a film frame from “An Inconvenient Truth” where it asks viewers: “Are you ready to change the way you live?”
Gore has been criticized for excessive home energy usage at his residence in Tennessee. His electricity usage is reportedly 20 times higher than the average American household.
It has been reported that many of these so-called carbon offset projects would have been done anyway. Also, carbon offset projects such as planting trees can take decades or even a century to sequester the carbon emitted today. So energy usage today results in greenhouse gases remaining in the atmosphere for decades, even with the purchase of so-called carbon offsets.

“There are hundreds of thousands of people who adore you and would follow your example by reducing their energy usage if you did. Don’t give us the run-around on carbon offsets or the gimmicks the wealthy do,” Senator Inhofe told Gore.
“Are you willing to make a commitment here today by taking this pledge to consume no more energy for use in your residence than the average American household by one year from today?” Senator Inhofe asked.
Senator Inhofe then presented Vice President Gore with the following "Personal Energy Ethics Pledge:
Cl As a believer: · that human-caused global warming is a moral, ethical, and spiritual issue affecting our survival;
· that home energy use is a key component of overall energy use;
· that reducing my fossil fuel-based home energy usage will lead to lower greenhouse gas emissions; and
· that leaders on moral issues should lead by example;
I pledge to consume no more energy for use in my residence than the average American household by March 21, 2008.” Gore refused to take the pledge.
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Obviously he is not willing to give up his life style for the Environment. I think his reputation on this one has run it's course.

Live like an average person? No way!
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the dumb thing is that even an average person is using too much
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The thing is, he can still live the same lifestyle if he chose so, though he really should be looking to live in a more simple, sustainable manner. It's unfortunate he doesn't make the pledge. I mean, build some windmills, put up some solar panels, install geothermal heating/cooling. It's not like he doesn't have the moola. He comes off looking bad, real bad, and that reflects upon the movement itself.
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So which politician would be willing to sign a pledge like this? Just curious...
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You know, Gore set himself up by doing what he is doing. Now the naysayers want him to jump through their hoops so they can make political points. Gore is right not to play their games. Gore has said he was adding solar panels, and adding insulation, and doing things to make his homes more efficient. Call him a liar if you want, but how many other politicians are willing to sign thes pledge? So what if they do. Gore has done more to raise awareness of GHG and global warming than anyone else in the world. If Gore was a republican, his picture would be on cereal boxes. It might be yet.
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You know, Gore set himself up by doing what he is doing. Now the naysayers want him to jump through their hoops so they can make political points. Gore is right not to play their games. Gore has said he was adding solar panels, and adding insulation, and doing things to make his homes more efficient. Call him a liar if you want, but how many other politicians are willing to sign thes pledge? So what if they do. Gore has done more to raise awareness of GHG and global warming than anyone else in the world. If Gore was a republican, his picture would be on cereal boxes. It might be yet.
More like Gore has done more to con the the unwashed masses.

I'm not surprised I would find you defending the morally bankrupt juan.

It's not about other politicians juan, it's about the one that has led the lied charge, being taken to task on his attacks against the oil industry that he believes robbed him of the Presidency.

If he didn't sign it, he's a fraud and a hack. Something I know your familiar with, being a supporter of the LPoC.
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and if he did sign it he'd be a good man?
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and if he did sign it he'd be a good man?
No, he'ld still be a tool in my eyes, but at least I wouldn't be able to attack his cred or his principals.

Of which at this point, he has none of.
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No, he'ld still be a tool in my eyes, but at least I wouldn't be able to attack his cred or his principals.

Of which at this point, he has none of.
that's pretty much a given, him being a politician
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Gore has found a publicity shtick and people think he is the second coming....

I can't believe the people who have fallen for this lout who has the morals of a snake...

He could care less about pollution, global warming and what you do to preserve the environment... he has adopted a cause which gets him the needed publicity he craves.

If you people lauded Ralph Nader, I'd appreciate you have true knowledge of what the lifestyle involves. You have merely jumped on the Bore Bandwagon, blindly following the piper...thinking it is a cool and upstanding thing to do.

There is nothing wrong in choosing your causes wisely, but choose the leaders with more substantial background than press releases of issues never truly addressed on a personal basis.
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Gore has found a publicity shtick and people think he is the second coming....

I can't believe the people who have fallen for this lout who has the morals of a snake...

He could care less about pollution, global warming and what you do to preserve the environment... he has adopted a cause which gets him the needed publicity he craves.

If you people lauded Ralph Nader, I'd appreciate you have true knowledge of what the lifestyle involves. You have merely jumped on the Bore Bandwagon, blindly following the piper...thinking it is a cool and upstanding thing to do.

There is nothing wrong in choosing your causes wisely, but choose the leaders with more substantial background than press releases of issues never truly addressed on a personal basis.
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Thanks Bear

That was a rant eh? Must be low on sugar!
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Thanks Bear

That was a rant eh? Must be low on sugar!

That was a good rant and don't excuse it. Wait until the rest of them come down, it should be interesting. Watch and see what they will now say about ALBore, they won't be able to condem him fast enough or maybe they will try to give excuses.
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Thanks Sparrow

Here is one group who quietly go about their business... pacific, dedicated environmentalism is being practiced and taught all around us if we care to look...not as earth shattering as the great call for Global Warming attention, but nevertheless small groups doing what they can ...

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Green has a new home
The new David Brower Center will honor and extend the long collaboration between the university and the environmental movement
STORY BY KENNETH BROWER, PHOTOGRAPHS BY MICHAEL COLLOPY

In its gestation, the David Brower Center -- an environmental think-tank planned for downtown Berkeley, at the edge of the UC campus -- has passed the blueprint stage and is deep in its third trimester. Groundbreaking is scheduled for this fall. The building, which honors the late Berkeley conservationist David R. Brower, will rise across Oxford Street from Edwards Field, so close to the cinder track that environmentalists working Saturdays in springtime will occasionally jump to the starter's gun.
My son, David C. Brower, a twenty-year-old junior, is the grandson of the honoree. In his capacity as namesake, he has offered some thoughts about signage. It would be a great mistake, he suggests, to include his grandfather's middle initial "R" on the marquee. Middle initials are old-fashioned, a little stuffy. Much more direct, and cleaner typographically, would be a simple "DAVID BROWER CENTER" chiseled above the entrance.
I think I catch his drift. In walking down Oxford with girlfriend or teammates, David Brower the younger will be able to slap his forehead in mock forgetfulness. He will cry, "Jeez, excuse me! I got to duck in at my center," or words to that effect, and he will turn into the spacious courtyard of his four-story edifice. "Green tours" will be a feature of the building, and David will conduct an outlaw tour of his own, pointing out the recycled materials, the solar panels, the architectural design by Daniel Solomon, "Dean of the New Urbanism." He will then lead his stunned schoolmates past his own name in big letters on the façade.
The David Brower Center, under the summit gardens of its photovoltaic roof, will incorporate the greenest of green architecture. On the ground floor will be earth-friendly retailers, an art gallery, a 175-seat auditorium with state-of-the-art media equipment, and a restaurant designed in consultation with chef Alice Waters, founding genius of Chez Panisse, who will work up a menu of affordable organic food harvested from local farms. On the three floors above will be office and conference space for a number of activist environmental and social-justice nonprofit organizations, with Earth Island Institute, the California League of Conservation Voters, and the Center for Ecoliteracy as charter tenants. The hope is for cross-pollination. Here, under one roof, students, environmental activists, green businesspeople, advocates for social justice, and visitors from around the world will meet, break bread, and exchange ideas, all toward the not-so-modest goals of a sustainable society and planetary salvation. The Brower Center, if all goes according to plan, will be a hub for progressive activism internationally and a home for the environmental movement for the twenty-first century.
If there is a feng shui of historical rectitude, then that force is strong at the site. The location next to the University is auspicious and right, given the coevolution of Brower, the University, and the environmental cause. The building will stand eight blocks from the Carleton Street house where my father was born and five blocks from the Haste Street house where he grew up. It will be midway between two of his alma maters -- Berkeley High and the University of California -- and a block south of the offices of UC Press on Oxford Street, where my father and mother met as editors. (My siblings and I have a great fondness for the Press; we owe it our very existence.) In his editor period, my father, as he repaired the danglers, clipped the redundancies, and pruned the jargon of manuscripts submitted by an assortment of Berkeley scholars, was simultaneously picking their brains. In 1952, when he left the Press to become the first executive director of the Sierra Club, those edited professors, and many of their Berkeley colleagues, became the core of his brain trust. Starker Leopold, the zoologist and author of the epochal Leopold Report on wildlife in the national parks. Starker's brother Luna Leopold, the hydrologist who provided figures and formulae on stream aggradation that my father employed to defeat dams proposed for the Grand Canyon. Robert Stebbins, the herpetologist and scientific illustrator who taught my father what he needed to know about reptiles, amphibians, and desert conservation. Daniel Luten, the geographer who was his advisor on population. Carl Koford, the field naturalist who became the world's foremost student of the California condor. The biologists Frank Pitelka and Alden Miller, the physicists John Gofman and John Holdren, and many more. The University even provided a few bêtes noirs, misguided scholars of mining and forestry who served my old man as foils.
There was nothing really new in this collaboration. In 1870, when the University was in its infancy, geology professor Joseph LeConte led his University Excursion Party to the High Sierra, guided by John Muir -- a campfire friendship that endured and led in 1892 to the formation of the Sierra Club, co-founded by LeConte, his son Little Joe, and Muir. And the Sierra Club was just the beginning. In the intellectual sphere of influence of the University -- germinating in the shelter of that parent tree -- has sprung up a large part of the environmental movement. Nowhere has the soil been more fertile for good environmental ideas and organizations.
Opponents of the Brower Center -- jihadi bicyclists enraged by the automobile and resentful of the underground parking that the city has required; dissers of the affordable-housing component that will adjoin the center; fiscal conservatives worried about the cost to the city -- have argued for some other site, but the building's supporters have been resolute in their insistence on this one.
All universities have their magnetic fields, but the field around Berkeley is particularly strong -- a Saturn or Jupiter of academic institutions. The ideal spot for the new center is right here, tucked in close orbit outside Edwards Field, just beyond the outermost rings of the track's oval. The intellectual energy of the University of California, crackling and contrarian, will discharge point-blank toward its satellite institution, feeding the environmental movement as it has before, and vice versa, with energetic discharges back in the other direction. For those of us who are David Brower's family, disciples, and former colleagues, this commemoration in stone and glass of his pioneering work is enormously gratifying. Everyone else, we hope, will see the building as a working monument to past synergy between environmentalism and the University, and a promise of more to come.
Kenneth Brower's last article for California, "Please register to see links," was the cover story in May/June
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Mindless regurgitation of the Bush doctrine Bear

At least partly because of Gore, every country in the world now has a global warming policy or agenda, not to please Gore, or to make Gore rich, but to address a problem that is physically making itself known around this planet by the melting of the polar ice and dramatically warmer weather. The polar ice is melting to an extent that is unknown in our history. Global warming is happening. A majority of meteorological scientists think that the billions of tons of CO2 we are putting into the atmosphere every year has something to do with it.

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I'm not surprised I would find you defending the morally bankrupt juan.
And I'm never surprised that you argue on a subject you know nothing about.
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I think environmental problems are the right's equivalent to the war in Iraq for the left. They hate the politician so much that they don't really care much about a solution to the problem.
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Solution to what problem? The problem is that the sun (according to reports in papers last week) has warmed up not only the rest of the planets in the solar system but ours as well?

This warming has increased the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere since the ocean is the largest source of CO2 and when warmed released more of it. Since the ocean covers 2/3 of the surface of the earth and holds the vast majority of the CO2; can you really still believe that man's influence is any moe than a frictional influence on this warming?

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Check out the correlation of sunspot activity and temperature anomolies. Compare this with the CO2 levels and judge which two lines foloow each other.

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Solution to what problem? The problem is that the sun (according to reports in papers last week) has warmed up not only the rest of the planets in the solar system but ours as well?

This warming has increased the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere since the ocean is the largest source of CO2 and when warmed released more of it. Since the ocean covers 2/3 of the surface of the earth and holds the vast majority of the CO2; can you really still believe that man's influence is any moe than a frictional influence on this warming?

Check out some politically inconvenient science;

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Check out the correlation of sunspot activity and temperature anomolies. Compare this with the CO2 levels and judge which two lines foloow each other.

Gore and Suzuki - Prophets for Profit
The sun, the last bastion of the deniers, with no concrete proof yet.
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Correlation is so weak as to be statistically irrelevant. The studies which show strong correlation have a) mathematical errors and b) faulty methodology.
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Stevek and Tonington

The key to the controversy lies in the minds and hearts of the scientific community - without their work and confirmation of the reality of this phenomenon and whether it is entirely man made and can be mitigated by man's changing lifestyles - why is everyone arguing?

Nobody wants Global Warming - nobody wants the environment where one will have to wear face masks in order to venture outside a fully air conditioned home so breathing can continue to live.

We all want healthy lives. This is not an argument and not even much of a debate.

Small pockets of people can make a difference in caring for their community. It's a start and until the science of cause can be determined as final, we merely keep creating these pontificating gods who run around making a living off creating anxiety and anger.

This isn't positive work of a movement to save mankind! This is flawed egoism and in the case of AlBore - one very disappointed man trying to find a place in his world where he can become some kind of a leader or savior or whatever his personal megalomaniac voices inside tell him.

Too much money, too much demanding 'a quick fix' and not letting the people who can find out the answers have their space and time and get it right.....

It isn't a case here of who is right or wrong... it is a case of let's get it done the right way.

Public relations never solved a damn thing in our world. Celebrities have taken over the cause to keep their names in the public arena... and it hasn't done diddly for anyone. Only delayed getting at the truth. The truth rests with the scientific community.
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You're right of course Curio. I thought once upon a time it would be great to have more relevance placed on this issue. Sadly as it has come to the forefront the message has been lost in a sea of one-upmanship, polemic and heavy handed tacticians spinning their webs.

I've seen it brought up in here, I've brought this up as well, it's pollution. Whethor we can stop the trend completely (not likely) is irrelevant. The issue is the matter by which we are managing our house. Do we continue to treat it like crap and leave a mess for our progeny? What a legacy....
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When scientists turn science into politics, who do the people go to for science?
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There are both bad and good scientists as there are in all walks of life

The scientific community's goal should not be financial - and if they are suffering for lack of funding for their research in the area of the future of this planet, they should be relieved of that burden.

It is imperative all people learn personal responsibility, manufacturers learn eco-friendly packaging,
growers re-learn what we have forgotten in the name of commercial enterprise...

We can all demand in our own personal arenas the use of non-toxic products and construction and transportation methods - personal planning in the use of the family auto, many ways are already
being used.

Davis, CA has housing build around green space and walkways and parks where the automobile is a sometime method of transportation rather than a necessity the way many people live now. The little town has been doing some great research in pollution mitigation...

It is up to the people to view personal change as a step forward than a cause of 'deprivation' which most view ecology and pollution mitigation as some kind of punishment.

If corporations stand firm and refuse to change their manufacturing habits...the public has a powerful voice in passing over their products. The public might be surprised at the power they do have once they give it a combined voice. Not in protest, but in silent denial or purchase.

And the last biggie... alternative fuel energy sources. The big one. We can do it. It might even be fun to break the walls of that prison we are in down for good!!
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Scientific success depends upon loads of funding and serendipity of discovery.

Corporations often create weaknesses out of the scientific community and we have to find ways to counter these influences so that the scientists and researchers are free of coercion.

These people should be our heros - not the folk who parade around making speeches to get their names in print and their faces on camera yet once again because they must keep advertising themselves.

AlBore winning and Oscar is a prime example of what the 'whoring adulation' has become. The once proud Nobel Prize has sunk into the morass of political and commercial influence.

Considering populations of informed people - these gasbags are a blip on the screen of numbers - and if the public as a majority want to change things - they might want to start soon - getting their own information from reliable sources - not the Snake Oil Circus which we follow - ineptly titled a Global Warming Movement...when the only hot air being created is from the celebrity activists.
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Scientific success depends upon loads of funding and serendipity of discovery.

Corporations often create weaknesses out of the scientific community and we have to find ways to counter these influences so that the scientists and researchers are free of coercion.

These people should be our heros - not the folk who parade around making speeches to get their names in print and their faces on camera yet once again because they must keep advertising themselves.

AlBore winning and Oscar is a prime example of what the 'whoring adulation' has become. The once proud Nobel Prize has sunk into the morass of political and commercial influence.

Considering populations of informed people - these gasbags are a blip on the screen of numbers - and if the public as a majority want to change things - they might want to start soon - getting their own information from reliable sources - not the Snake Oil Circus which we follow - ineptly titled a Global Warming Movement...when the only hot air being created is from the celebrity activists.
The IPCC scientists are hardly "snake oil" salesmen. As an engineer I can follow the science of the IPCC and I find nothing wrong with it.. There is also nothing wrong with the science of Al Gore's presentations. The only question is, "how much of global warming is caused by man's handiwork", and how much is caused by some other, yet to be named process. There is no doubt that climate change is happening. Can we ignore the fact that that the increase in the millions upon millions of tons of CO2 that we are pumping into the atmosphere, kind of lines up with the increase in global temperatures? Until someone comes up with a better story, this is what we have.
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Solution to what problem?
Environmental issues in general. People pay lip service to alternative energy sources while they advocate drilling in Alaska to get more oil. People may be able to deny global warming, but they certainly can't deny the harm using all this oil causes us. But the neither side of the political spectrum will really tackle that issue cause oil = money. Maybe I'm just extremely naive, but I find it hard to believe all the amazing scientists we have in the western world couldn't come up with a better way to run a car. If we invested the resources into that goal that we do into other things, I believe we'd have a solution pronto. But we won't, will we? Nevermind the benefits it would bring, better to focus on the politics involved.
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Nobody wants Global Warming - nobody wants the environment where one will have to wear face masks in order to venture outside a fully air conditioned home so breathing can continue to live.

We all want healthy lives. This is not an argument and not even much of a debate.
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I think that's absolutely true. I just think most politicians don't care enough to do enough about it. California probably leads the nation in environmental concern. I've read about some great things here like you pointed out. I just want more. I want to be able to drive into LA in some sort of futuristic environmentally sound car without seeing any smog .
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So which politician would be willing to sign a pledge like this? Just curious...
Probably not many but it is Gore that is running about telling the world of the Planetary Emergency. He is exposing himself day after day.

There is a new article out on Zinc Mining that will be happening on Gore's land. As the article goes, Zinc mining releases toxic chemicals into the environment. Gore has had Zinc mined on his land before and the mining company has released tons of toxic chemicals into the ground and water. A new venture wants to start up again and Gore is going to let them. Enviornmentalist have asked Gore to stop this as we all know mining of any sort is not healthy to the environment. But Gore tends to gain $500,000+ for allowing the new mining venture.

Do you think the environment is more important than Gore's bank account? Not a bit.
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You know, Gore set himself up by doing what he is doing. Now the naysayers want him to jump through their hoops so they can make political points. Gore is right not to play their games. Gore has said he was adding solar panels, and adding insulation, and doing things to make his homes more efficient. Call him a liar if you want, but how many other politicians are willing to sign thes pledge? So what if they do. Gore has done more to raise awareness of GHG and global warming than anyone else in the world. If Gore was a republican, his picture would be on cereal boxes. It might be yet.
But we the unwashed masses must play Gore's game?

I think my next vehicle will be an SUV now. My carbon credit will be when I reseed the lawn this spring.
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Mindless regurgitation of the Bush doctrine Bear

At least partly because of Gore, every country in the world now has a global warming policy or agenda, not to please Gore, or to make Gore rich, but to address a problem that is physically making itself known around this planet by the melting of the polar ice and dramatically warmer weather. The polar ice is melting to an extent that is unknown in our history. Global warming is happening. A majority of meteorological scientists think that the billions of tons of CO2 we are putting into the atmosphere every year has something to do with it.

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And I'm never surprised that you argue on a subject you know nothing about.
Ah the cry of the pro Kyoto club, if you aren't with us, you know nothing. You really aren't that much different from the "If you aren't with us, you agins't us" war on terror crowd juan.

Good to see you're human after all.
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I think environmental problems are the right's equivalent to the war in Iraq for the left. They hate the politician so much that they don't really care much about a solution to the problem.
I don't hate Gore, I distrust him, as I do with all politicians. Especially when the man is caught lying through his teeth in his movie, then refuses to sign a document that would more or less force him to pull the same weight he asks his followers too.

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Solution to what problem? The problem is that the sun (according to reports in papers last week) has warmed up not only the rest of the planets in the solar system but ours as well?

This warming has increased the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere since the ocean is the largest source of CO2 and when warmed released more of it. Since the ocean covers 2/3 of the surface of the earth and holds the vast majority of the CO2; can you really still believe that man's influence is any moe than a frictional influence on this warming?

Check out some politically inconvenient science;

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Check out the correlation of sunspot activity and temperature anomolies. Compare this with the CO2 levels and judge which two lines foloow each other.

Gore and Suzuki - Prophets for Profit
Hmmm, food for thought. You'll find few are hungry in the pro AGW crowd my friend.

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