Metal King
Posts: 1,028 
Location: Golden Horseshoe, Ontario
Location: Golden Horseshoe, Ontario
September 9th, 2006, 09:36 AM
Anyone else interested in the crap-storm being whipped up by this film??
From the excerpts I've managed to view so far, it is a pretty strange beast...
It appears that the film (which was described as a documentary until ABC was forced tuesday to admit it is fiction, not like it matters to the mouth-breathers who will no doubt be eating it up and taking notes) is set up to make 9-11 look like it was ALL Clinton's fault, and that Dubya was perhaps the #1 VICTIM on that day...
Now I KNOW the old "it's Clinton's fault" line (I would call it a joke but folks actually DO believe it) has been played out LARGE, but I am literally stunned that things could come this far.
Here is a link to an article (admittedly a sort of biased one, but I'm sure there will be other slanted links in this discussion, if it actually develops as such)
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0907-32.htm
Any thoughts?? It kinda scares the HELL out of me, but I frighten easy, 'specailly on weekends
Anyone else interested in the crap-storm being whipped up by this film??
From the excerpts I've managed to view so far, it is a pretty strange beast...
It appears that the film (which was described as a documentary until ABC was forced tuesday to admit it is fiction, not like it matters to the mouth-breathers who will no doubt be eating it up and taking notes) is set up to make 9-11 look like it was ALL Clinton's fault, and that Dubya was perhaps the #1 VICTIM on that day...
Now I KNOW the old "it's Clinton's fault" line (I would call it a joke but folks actually DO believe it) has been played out LARGE, but I am literally stunned that things could come this far.
Here is a link to an article (admittedly a sort of biased one, but I'm sure there will be other slanted links in this discussion, if it actually develops as such)
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0907-32.htm
Any thoughts?? It kinda scares the HELL out of me, but I frighten easy, 'specailly on weekends
Senate Member
Posts: 6,500
September 9th, 2006, 03:25 PM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...349869,00.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...349869,00.html
Quote:
Sex scandal kept Clinton's eye off bin Laden threat, TV drama says
By Tim Reid in Washington
BILL CLINTON responded furiously yesterday to an American television mini-series about the September 11, 2001, terror attacks, which portrays him as so distracted by the Monica Lewinsky sex scandal that he failed to focus on the emerging threat of Osama bin Laden.
Senior Clinton Administration officials, including Madeleine Albright, the former Secretary of State, and Sandy Berger, the former National Security Adviser, also demanded yesterday that ABC either substantially edit or cancel its two-part The Path to 9/11, claiming that the drama was defamatory. The programme is also being shown by the BBC.
The five-hour drama, which will be shown tomorrow and Monday, portrays events that the former Clinton officials say never happened. These include a scene in which Mr Berger refused to authorise an attack on bin Laden in 1998 when CIA operatives had the al-Qaeda leader in their sights.
The reaction from Mr Clinton and his former aides was extraordinarily visceral. It reflected the enormous emotional and political hold the attacks continue to exert on the American political landscape, and the argument about whether the Clinton or Bush Administration was more to blame for failing to stop them.
In the past week President Bush has tried to refocus American voters on his response to the September 11 crisis, and the threat from bin Laden, and away from the war in Iraq.
With seven weeks until November’s midterm elections, polls show that Mr Bush enjoys an advantage over Democrats on the issue of terrorism. The September 11 attacks and his response to them will form the cornerstone of Republican campaigns. Mr Bush will spend tomorrow and Monday in New York commemorating the fifth anniversary of 9/11.
“It is despicable that ABC/Disney would insist on airing a fictional version of what is a serious and emotional event for our country,” a spokesman for the Clinton Foundation said. ABC’s parent company is the Walt Disney Corporation.
Mr Clinton, speaking after a fundraising event in Arkansas, referred to ABC’s claim that much of the series is based on the September 11 commission report, the bipartisan investigation of the attacks. “They ought to tell the truth,” Mr Clinton said. “They shouldn’t have scenes that are directly contradicted by the findings of the 9/11 report.”
Ms Albright, Mr Berger, Bruce Lindsey, head of the Clinton Foundation, and the Clinton adviser Douglas Band wrote to Robert Iger, Disney’s chief executive, claiming that the drama was “factually and incontrovertibly inaccurate”.
They added: “It is unconscionable to mislead the American public about one of the most horrendous tragedies our country has ever known.” They called the drama “right-wing political propaganda”.
The outrage had echoes of a 2003 controversy when Republicans successfully persuaded CBS to pull an unflattering and inaccurate biopic of the late Ronald Reagan.
Democrats pointed out that the main consultant to the ABC series was Thomas Keane, a former Republican New Jersey governor and chairman of the 9/11 commission.
ABC defended the series but was understood last night to be changing the scene involving Mr Berger. It called criticism “premature and irresponsible”, but conceded that the drama contained “fictionalised scenes, composite and representative characters and dialogue”.
TERROR DATES
1996
June 25 A lorry bomb explodes at US military barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing 19 Americans; Osama bin Laden identified as terrorist financier
1998
June Osama bin Laden placed on FBI’s Ten Most Wanted List
Aug 7 US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania are bombed; Osama bin Laden named as the mastermind of the attacks
Aug 20 US forces launch day of missile strikes on camps in Afghanistan and destroy a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan
Dec 24 In an ABC News interview, bin Laden denies responsibility for the embassy attacks
2000
Oct 12 Attack on the USS Cole by bin Laden sympathisers kills 17
CLINTON
1997
Dec 19 Monica Lewinsky subpoenaed to appear at a deposition hearing
1998
Jan 17 The Drudge Report breaks story about a White House intern’s sexual affair with President Clinton
Jan 26 Clinton declares “I did not have sexual relations with that woman”
Aug 6 Lewinsky testifies before the Starr grand jury
Aug 17 Clinton admits in a televised speech, “I did have a relationship with Ms Lewinsky that was not appropriate”
Dec 11 House Judiciary Committee approve articles of impeachment
Dec 19 Clinton impeached by the House on two counts of perjury and obstruction of justice
1999
Jan 7 Impeachment trial begins in the Senate Feb. 12 Senate acquits Clinton.
By Tim Reid in Washington
BILL CLINTON responded furiously yesterday to an American television mini-series about the September 11, 2001, terror attacks, which portrays him as so distracted by the Monica Lewinsky sex scandal that he failed to focus on the emerging threat of Osama bin Laden.
Senior Clinton Administration officials, including Madeleine Albright, the former Secretary of State, and Sandy Berger, the former National Security Adviser, also demanded yesterday that ABC either substantially edit or cancel its two-part The Path to 9/11, claiming that the drama was defamatory. The programme is also being shown by the BBC.
The five-hour drama, which will be shown tomorrow and Monday, portrays events that the former Clinton officials say never happened. These include a scene in which Mr Berger refused to authorise an attack on bin Laden in 1998 when CIA operatives had the al-Qaeda leader in their sights.
The reaction from Mr Clinton and his former aides was extraordinarily visceral. It reflected the enormous emotional and political hold the attacks continue to exert on the American political landscape, and the argument about whether the Clinton or Bush Administration was more to blame for failing to stop them.
In the past week President Bush has tried to refocus American voters on his response to the September 11 crisis, and the threat from bin Laden, and away from the war in Iraq.
With seven weeks until November’s midterm elections, polls show that Mr Bush enjoys an advantage over Democrats on the issue of terrorism. The September 11 attacks and his response to them will form the cornerstone of Republican campaigns. Mr Bush will spend tomorrow and Monday in New York commemorating the fifth anniversary of 9/11.
“It is despicable that ABC/Disney would insist on airing a fictional version of what is a serious and emotional event for our country,” a spokesman for the Clinton Foundation said. ABC’s parent company is the Walt Disney Corporation.
Mr Clinton, speaking after a fundraising event in Arkansas, referred to ABC’s claim that much of the series is based on the September 11 commission report, the bipartisan investigation of the attacks. “They ought to tell the truth,” Mr Clinton said. “They shouldn’t have scenes that are directly contradicted by the findings of the 9/11 report.”
Ms Albright, Mr Berger, Bruce Lindsey, head of the Clinton Foundation, and the Clinton adviser Douglas Band wrote to Robert Iger, Disney’s chief executive, claiming that the drama was “factually and incontrovertibly inaccurate”.
They added: “It is unconscionable to mislead the American public about one of the most horrendous tragedies our country has ever known.” They called the drama “right-wing political propaganda”.
The outrage had echoes of a 2003 controversy when Republicans successfully persuaded CBS to pull an unflattering and inaccurate biopic of the late Ronald Reagan.
Democrats pointed out that the main consultant to the ABC series was Thomas Keane, a former Republican New Jersey governor and chairman of the 9/11 commission.
ABC defended the series but was understood last night to be changing the scene involving Mr Berger. It called criticism “premature and irresponsible”, but conceded that the drama contained “fictionalised scenes, composite and representative characters and dialogue”.
TERROR DATES
1996
June 25 A lorry bomb explodes at US military barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing 19 Americans; Osama bin Laden identified as terrorist financier
1998
June Osama bin Laden placed on FBI’s Ten Most Wanted List
Aug 7 US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania are bombed; Osama bin Laden named as the mastermind of the attacks
Aug 20 US forces launch day of missile strikes on camps in Afghanistan and destroy a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan
Dec 24 In an ABC News interview, bin Laden denies responsibility for the embassy attacks
2000
Oct 12 Attack on the USS Cole by bin Laden sympathisers kills 17
CLINTON
1997
Dec 19 Monica Lewinsky subpoenaed to appear at a deposition hearing
1998
Jan 17 The Drudge Report breaks story about a White House intern’s sexual affair with President Clinton
Jan 26 Clinton declares “I did not have sexual relations with that woman”
Aug 6 Lewinsky testifies before the Starr grand jury
Aug 17 Clinton admits in a televised speech, “I did have a relationship with Ms Lewinsky that was not appropriate”
Dec 11 House Judiciary Committee approve articles of impeachment
Dec 19 Clinton impeached by the House on two counts of perjury and obstruction of justice
1999
Jan 7 Impeachment trial begins in the Senate Feb. 12 Senate acquits Clinton.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,995
Location: Florida, Hurricane Central
Location: Florida, Hurricane Central
September 9th, 2006, 08:06 PM
People believe Loose Change is factual.
Quoting
Why?
Now I KNOW the old "it's Clinton's fault" line (I would call it a joke but folks actually DO believe it) has been played out LARGE, but I am literally stunned that things could come this far.
People believe Loose Change is factual.
Senate Member
Posts: 6,500
September 10th, 2006, 11:29 AM
Australians have seen The Path To 9/11 Part One and here is one comment:
Part one shown on Australian TV this evening.
Don't miss it friends. It's no wonder the Clintonistas have thrown everything at ABC/Disney, in a desperate effort to have the miniseries cancelled.
Documents exactly what we've been following over the years on forums. Brave agents on the ground in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Dedicated people at Langley and the J. Edgar Hoover building, working around the clock to capture or kill Bin Laden, Ramzi Yusef et al.
And all their efforts derailed by Clinton appointees like Berger and Allbright- selfishly putting their own careers (and covering their asses) before protecting the USA.
The line of the show delivered by the actor playing Masood, brave and charismatic leader of the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan:
"...are there any men left in Washington? Or are they all cowards?...."
Take the phone off the hook, and don't miss it. All the best...
Australians have seen The Path To 9/11 Part One and here is one comment:
Part one shown on Australian TV this evening.
Don't miss it friends. It's no wonder the Clintonistas have thrown everything at ABC/Disney, in a desperate effort to have the miniseries cancelled.
Documents exactly what we've been following over the years on forums. Brave agents on the ground in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Dedicated people at Langley and the J. Edgar Hoover building, working around the clock to capture or kill Bin Laden, Ramzi Yusef et al.
And all their efforts derailed by Clinton appointees like Berger and Allbright- selfishly putting their own careers (and covering their asses) before protecting the USA.
The line of the show delivered by the actor playing Masood, brave and charismatic leader of the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan:
"...are there any men left in Washington? Or are they all cowards?...."
Take the phone off the hook, and don't miss it. All the best...
Metal King
Posts: 1,028
Location: Golden Horseshoe, Ontario
Location: Golden Horseshoe, Ontario
September 11th, 2006, 07:46 AM
MMMMmmm it sure is well crafted propaganda, very nice, hopefully Dubya and Rummy will start quitong from the fictional account from now on, I would not be surprised if that came next...
And Loose Change... I don't recall that being shown on ABC Prime-time with no commercial interruptions and being branded by "trusted sources" as being "based on the 9-11 commission report" but that could just be me...
MMMMmmm it sure is well crafted propaganda, very nice, hopefully Dubya and Rummy will start quitong from the fictional account from now on, I would not be surprised if that came next...
And Loose Change... I don't recall that being shown on ABC Prime-time with no commercial interruptions and being branded by "trusted sources" as being "based on the 9-11 commission report" but that could just be me...
Member
Posts: 112
September 11th, 2006, 08:08 AM
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That’s cause 2 kids and a computer can put together a bunch of crap unworthy of TV any day, Oh unless you're a complete nuttbar and believe Loose Bowels
And Loose Change... I don't recall that being shown on ABC Prime-time with no commercial interruptions and being branded by "trusted sources" as being "based on the 9-11 commission report" but that could just be me...
Super Genius
Posts: 1,323
September 12th, 2006, 12:26 PM
Loose change is a very good documentary, they werent 100% accurate, but who is?
You have a president who constantly lied about everything, and you still believe them, now who is the nutbar?? there you go.
Quoting
Quoting
That’s cause 2 kids and a computer can put together a bunch of crap unworthy of TV any day, Oh unless you're a complete nuttbar and believe Loose Bowels
And Loose Change... I don't recall that being shown on ABC Prime-time with no commercial interruptions and being branded by "trusted sources" as being "based on the 9-11 commission report" but that could just be me...
Loose change is a very good documentary, they werent 100% accurate, but who is?
You have a president who constantly lied about everything, and you still believe them, now who is the nutbar?? there you go.
