America's next deployment: Is to Mexican border??

Jersay

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WASHINGTON - President Bush, trying to build momentum for an overhaul of the nation's immigration laws, is considering plans to shore up the Mexican border with National Guard troops paid for by the federal government, according to senior administration officials.

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One defense official said military leaders believe the number of troops required could range from 3,500 to 10,000, depending on the final plan. Another administration official cautioned that the 10,000 figure was too high.

The officials insisted on anonymity since no decision has been announced.

The president was expected to reveal his plans in an address Monday at 8 p.m. EDT. It will be the first time he has used the Oval Office for a domestic policy speech — a gesture intended to underscore the importance he places on the divisive immigration issue.

The key questions Friday were exactly how many National Guard troops might be deployed, for how long and at what cost to taxpayers — as well as the problem of possible disruption of upcoming deployments to Iraq and elsewhere overseas.

Border state governors were split.

Using those troops for border security is "maybe not the right way to go," said California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Republican former movie star, though he agreed the federal government is obliged to secure the borders.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson also opposed the plan, saying National Guard troops could be needed for emergencies such as wildfires or hurricanes. Richardson, chairman of the Democratic Governors Association, said in a statement the Bush administration has not consulted directly with the governors who deal with border issues. "This would dramatically impact our states and we should be included in the discussion and planning," he said.

The governors of Texas and Arizona favor positioning National Guard troops on the border.

But Texas Democratic Reps. Silvestre Reyes and Solomon Ortiz — both senior members of the Armed Services Committee — sent a letter to Bush urging him to consider a number of issues before deploying the troops, including whether another mission is in the best interest of "our over-stretched military."

As discussions among the White House, the Pentagon and the states continued on how the military could be used to secure the southern border, defense officials said states want the federal government to pick up what will be a significant tab for the increased security. Officials had no estimates on that cost.

Bush's speech Monday night is intended to build support for broad immigration overhaul by taking substantive steps to secure the border.

"We need to beef up those (border) operations and the cost will be substantial," Sen. John Cornyn (news, bio, voting record), R-Texas, said in an interview. "People are just not going to accept comprehensive immigration reform unless they are assured the government is going to secure the border. People have lost confidence in the federal government because they simply haven't addressed this in a dramatic and effective way."

Paul McHale, assistant secretary of defense for homeland defense, asked officials earlier this week to offer options for the use of military resources and troops — particularly the National Guard — along the border with Mexico, according to defense officials familiar with the discussions.

Cornyn said state officials are also looking for more unmanned aircraft, ground sensors, surveillance cameras and military training to help with border patrols.

Defense officials said the National Guard may be used only until significant additions to the existing civilian border patrols can be fully funded and completed.

Currently there are about 100 National Guard troops involved in counter-drug operations, including some along the border, said Guard Bureau spokesman Jack Harrison. He said there are also between 10-15 Guard members — mostly engineers — helping border patrol agents with vehicle and heavy equipment support.

The discussions this week underscored the importance of the border and immigrations issues, yet were tentative enough to reflect worries about drawing the nation's armed forces into a politically sensitive domestic role.

Southern lawmakers met with White House strategist Karl Rove earlier in the week for a discussion that included making greater use of National Guard troops to shore up border control. And on Capitol Hill, the Senate is poised to pass legislation this month that would call for additional border security, a new guest worker program and provisions opening the way to eventual citizenship for many of the estimated 11 million to 12 million illegal immigrants in the country.

Currently, the military plays a very limited role along the borders, but some active duty forces have been used in the past to help battle drug traffickers.

The National Guard is generally under the control of the state governors, but Guard units can be federalized by the president, such as those sent to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Active duty military may not be used for law enforcement unless the president authorizes it.

In addition, under federal law, in certain circumstances the states can maintain control of their Guard units but arrange to have the costs picked up by the federal government. That allows the Guard to continue to perform law enforcement activities.

Officials wrangled over the use of the active military during Hurricane Katrina, with some suggesting that troops be used for law enforcement to quell violence and looters in New Orleans. There were also suggestions that Bush federalize the National Guard there, but state officials opposed that proposal. In the end, neither move was made.

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Riyko

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It's kind of about time that bush is doing something for his own country. The illegal immigrant thing should of been taken care of a while ago, but I guess other country's problems are more important then his own countries :roll:
 

JonB2004

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RE: America's next deploy

I agree. Its about time Bush did something for Americans. And when they kick out all those illegal immigrants, there will be enough jobs for all Americans.
 

JonB2004

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Jersay said:
:roll:

However, when they do kick out the immigrants. They will find a good home just a little bit to the north.

:x

Damn. I forgot about that.

Canada should kick out all of its illegal immigrants too.
 

thecdn

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Bush is going to kill the guard/reserve in this country. It's bad enough that regular force troops are having multiple deployments in Afghanistan/Iraq. How many 'part-time' soldiers are going to join/stay in an organization that is on a mobilization basis like there is a world war going on.

And don't say shrubs made up 'war on terror' is the equivalent to a world war. It isn't.
 

Riyko

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If the National guard can't or won't do it, there's many people who live in Arizona that are more then willing to watch the US/Mexico border and protect the US from Illegal immigrants coming in to Arizona because many of the illegal immigrants actually come to the US through Arizona.
 

Jo Canadian

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surf girl

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there's not a lot that can be done, as long as my fellow mexicans find a beter paid job somewhere else, nothing will stop them from getting it.
if the USA wanted, really wanted to stop this problem its not thru the borders, just stop giving them jobs!! check the social security numbers and find out who is actually who!!
is not about the amount of illegal immigrants, it about the money!
that simple.
 

HonestAbe

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I think Bush is just trying to stop the problem as best he can while the government figures everything out. With the National Guard on the borders, it's going to help stifle things for a bit. In addition, a lot people have been saying that the Guard will mainly help with logistics and support type stuff, and not really be patrolling the border. Although, they probably will patrol the border too. All in all, I say it's a good move.
 

aeon

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Riyko said:
It's kind of about time that bush is doing something for his own country. The illegal immigrant thing should of been taken care of a while ago, but I guess other country's problems are more important then his own countries :roll:


Withouth mexican worker, usa would worth nothing, especially in california, that is a fact guys.
 

missile

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The illegals serve the purpose of giving the average American the opportunity to have his or her own personal slaves,just like the good old days before the Civil War. :)
 

missile

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Watching CNN the other night, a New Mexico farmer was complaining that up to 500 illegals crossed from Mexico onto his property every day. Now ,let's propose a bounty on each head for $20..the farmer would make a nice profit, as ammo isn't all that expensive :twisted:
 

unclepercy

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surf girl said:
there's not a lot that can be done, as long as my fellow mexicans find a beter paid job somewhere else, nothing will stop them from getting it.
if the USA wanted, really wanted to stop this problem its not thru the borders, just stop giving them jobs!! check the social security numbers and find out who is actually who!!
is not about the amount of illegal immigrants, it about the money!
that simple.

You have good common sense. Fine the employers who employ illegal aliens. And then, fine the immigrant by seizing his paycheck. The IRS can do that - no money, no illegals.

Uncle
 

Numure

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RE: America's next deploy

Well, its a pretty controversal issue in America. Illegal immigrants pump millions in the US economy by providing cheap labor to thousands of employers. If they do something about illegal immigrants, the economy of southern states will suffer ALOT.
 

I think not

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aeon said:
Riyko said:
It's kind of about time that bush is doing something for his own country. The illegal immigrant thing should of been taken care of a while ago, but I guess other country's problems are more important then his own countries :roll:

Withouth mexican worker, usa would worth nothing, especially in california, that is a fact guys.

Aeon, you're exaggerating. If anything we would be short ten million landscapers :lol:
 

jimmoyer

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Aeon, no immigrant should come to this country
living in the shadows, fearing for the other shoe to drop.

That's no way to live.

They ought to come in with their heads held high
and not like a dog coming through the backdoor at night.

That's not good for them or for us.

So an adequate border control will never stop it all
but at least it will be a reasonable solution to letting
people live in the open and not in the shadows.
 

Curiosity

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It is so odd everyone accepts Vicente Fox's primary role in this escapade.

It is like slavery repeating itself.