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Tecumsehsbones
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When work isn’t enough to keep you off welfare and food stamps


By Emily Badger (external - login to view)April 14

We often make assumptions about people on public assistance, about thewoman in the checkout line with an EBT card, or the family who lives in public housing. We make assumptions about how they spend their resources (irresponsibly (external - login to view)?), how they came to rely on aid (lack of hard work?), how they view their own public dependence (as a free ride rather than a humbling one?).

We assume, at our most skeptical, that poor people need help above all because they haven't tried to help themselves — they haven't bothered to find work.

The reality, though, is that a tremendous share of people who rely on government programs designed for the poor in fact work — they just don't make enough at it to cover their basic living expenses. According to the UC Berkeley Center for Labor Research and Education, 73 percent of people (external - login to view)who benefit from major public assistance programs in the U.S. live in a working family where at least one adult earns the household some money.

The problem, according to this picture, isn't that poor people won't work — it's that the work they do can't sustain them. The problem is that more than half of people who work on the front lines of fast food, and nearly half of child-care workers and home health aids, still need government help buying their groceries or covering their medical bills after they get their paychecks.

Share of workers receiving public assistance for the poor, by industry


Share of workers in each field who rely on at least one program among Medicaid/CHIP, TANF, the EITC or food stamps. UC Berkeley Center for Labor Research and Education (external - login to view)


That chart, from a new research brief (external - login to view) by Ken Jacobs, Ian Perry, and Jenifer MacGillvary at Berkeley, shows the share of workers in each field who also rely on at least one of four major government programs for the poor: food stamps (SNAP), Medicaid or the Children's Health Insurance Program, the Earned Income Tax Credit, or income supports through welfare (the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program).

This picture casts the culprit in a different light: Taxpayers are spending a lot of money subsidizing not people who won't work, but industries that don't pay their workers a living wage. Through these four programs alone, federal and state governments spend about $150 billion a year aiding working families, according to the analysis (the authors define people who are working here as those who worked at least 10 hours a week, at least half the year).


This is true of more than half of people on Medicaid, and a third of families on food stamps:

UC Berkeley Center for Labor Research and Education (external - login to view)


This data may be its own Rorschach test: Maybe you look at it and see not the third of families on welfare who work, but the two-thirds who don't for various reasons. But the important point here is that it is quite possible to work hard in this country and still need help buying dinner — a fact that says more about the nature of work in America than a shortage of work ethic.

When work isn’t enough to keep you off welfare and food stamps - The Washington Post (external - login to view)
 
gore0bsessed
#2
more evidence of capitalism's failures
 
Tecumsehsbones
+2
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by gore0bsessedView Post

more evidence of capitalism's failures

And still way ahead of communism.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
+2
#4
When work isn’t enough to keep you off welfare and food stamps - The Washington Post (external - login to view)

I sure do wonder how humanity ever possibly managed to survive before the introduction of the myriad of social services
 
gore0bsessed
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

When work isn’t enough to keep you off welfare and food stamps - The Washington Post (external - login to view)

I sure do wonder how humanity ever possibly managed to survive before the introduction of the myriad of social services

socialism, communalism...
 
Tecumsehsbones
+3
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

When work isn’t enough to keep you off welfare and food stamps - The Washington Post (external - login to view)

I sure do wonder how humanity ever possibly managed to survive before the introduction of the myriad of social services

Largely by living in multi-generational families, or in many cases tribes or clans. That structure mostly don't exist these days, so we need other arrangements.

Please don't go Angstrom on us.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post


I sure do wonder how humanity ever possibly managed to survive before the introduction of the myriad of social services

I'm sure that is a statement by someone who has never seen a hungry day or been incapacitated a day in his life. In the good old days, people starved to death and died horribly agonizing deaths or spent their short lives as slaves. I'm sure you would love to return to those days before humanity dragged itself screaming out of the dark ages.
 
EagleSmack
+2
#8
Cry me a river
 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
#9
Many suffered in silence others just starved to death that is how they got along.
We often talk about the wealth of the the country but most don't see tangible
benefit. WE own the resources of Canada and the people should share the wealth
by means of dividend checks for the sale of resources. In one sense we do they
are called social programs but the amount government receives in nowhere near
the real value of what should be received
 
Tecumsehsbones
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

Many suffered in silence others just starved to death that is how they got along.
We often talk about the wealth of the the country but most don't see tangible
benefit. WE own the resources of Canada and the people should share the wealth
by means of dividend checks for the sale of resources. In one sense we do they
are called social programs but the amount government receives in nowhere near
the real value of what should be received

I don't know (I mean generally, how Canada divvies up the goodies is up to Canada). I kinda like the "suffer in silence/starve to death" model.
 
EagleSmack
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#11
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

Many suffered in silence others just starved to death that is how they got along.
We often talk about the wealth of the the country but most don't see tangible
benefit. WE own the resources of Canada and the people should share the wealth
by means of dividend checks for the sale of resources. In one sense we do they
are called social programs but the amount government receives in nowhere near
the real value of what should be received

An old boss of mine decided to strike out on his own and start a new electrical business. He brought a few of the workers with him and they invested a little in the company. Not nearly as much as the boss did but he offered them a stake in the biz. After a couple years the business folded. Why? Because the workers that invested looked at the new company as if they were pre-teens mowing lawns together. When they finished the job they wanted to know the profit margin and divvy it up between them. The boss said that is not how it is done, there is overhead, there is money for supplies, new tools, etc. He told them the profits from the company had to go back in the business for awhile before they start enjoying the profits. The guys all quit together and took all of the tools and supplies with them.

Kapeesh?
 
Twila
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

An old boss of mine decided to strike out on his own and start a new electrical business. He brought a few of the workers with him and they invested a little in the company. Not nearly as much as the boss did but he offered them a stake in the biz. After a couple years the business folded. Why? Because the workers that invested looked at the new company as if they were pre-teens mowing lawns together. When they finished the job they wanted to know the profit margin and divvy it up between them. The boss said that is not how it is done, there is overhead, there is money for supplies, new tools, etc. He told them the profits from the company had to go back in the business for awhile before they start enjoying the profits. The guys all quit together and took all of the tools and supplies with them.

Kapeesh?

so what happens in one instance will happen in every instance?
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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#13
Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Largely by living in multi-generational families, or in many cases tribes or clans. That structure mostly don't exist these days, so we need other arrangements.

Please don't go Angstrom on us.

It sure begs the question; why has the nuclear family divested itself of being a support mechanism for itself?

PS - In many regards, Angstrom isn't wrong (in my opinion)

Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

I'm sure that is a statement by someone who has never seen a hungry day or been incapacitated a day in his life. In the good old days, people starved to death and died horribly agonizing deaths or spent their short lives as slaves. I'm sure you would love to return to those days before humanity dragged itself screaming out of the dark ages.

You have no clue about me, my past, present, future or the road that has lead me to where I am today.

You can piss and moan all you want about the inequities in life, but that will never be a substitute for taking command of your own future and responsibility for the decisions you have made.

There is nothing more pathetic than an attitude that blames everyone and anything else for the problems that they have either brought on themselves or a lack of vision that now represents regret and anger
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
+2
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

You have no clue about me, my past, present, future or the road that has lead me to where I am today.

You can piss and moan all you want about the inequities in life, but that will never be a substitute for taking command of your own future and responsibility for the decisions you have made.

There is nothing more pathetic than an attitude that blames everyone and anything else for the problems that they have either brought on themselves or a lack of vision that now represents regret and anger

You are right and the same goes for you about me. I am neither angry or destitute. I am doing fine but I still have empathy for those, who through no fault of their own, find themselves in dire straights because I have been there and know what it is like. I do have difficulty understanding someone who seems to have no empathy at all, or at least, that is how your posts come across.
 
gore0bsessed
+2
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

It sure begs the question; why has the nuclear family divested itself of being a support mechanism for itself?

PS - In many regards, Angstrom isn't wrong (in my opinion)



You have no clue about me, my past, present, future or the road that has lead me to where I am today.

You can piss and moan all you want about the inequities in life, but that will never be a substitute for taking command of your own future and responsibility for the decisions you have made.

There is nothing more pathetic than an attitude that blames everyone and anything else for the problems that they have either brought on themselves or a lack of vision that now represents regret and anger

seriously with this personal responsibility , pick yourself up by your bootstraps horse**** again?
 
petros
+2
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

You are right and the same goes for you about me. I am neither angry or destitute. I am doing fine but I still have empathy for those, who through no fault of their own, find themselves in dire straights because I have been there and know what it is like. I do have difficulty understanding someone who seems to have no empathy at all, or at least, that is how your posts come across.

How does someone end up destitute through no fault of their own?
 
gore0bsessed
+2
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

How does someone end up destitute through no fault of their own?

i wonder if this guy lives on our planet sometimes or is commuting with us from the 10th dimension
 
Twila
+1
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

How does someone end up destitute through no fault of their own?

Really? You have no idea?
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
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#19
Quote: Originally Posted by gore0bsessedView Post

i wonder if this guy lives on our planet sometimes or is commuting with us from the 10th dimension

More like the 2nd dimension.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by TwilaView Post

Really? You have no idea?

Let's hear it. Start with a single mom working at mcd,'s and fill in the blanks.
 
Twila
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Let's hear it. Start with a single mom working at mcd,'s and fill in the blanks.

Ijust can't believe you haven't a clue how someone could become destitute through no fault of their own.

It defies belief.
 
Tecumsehsbones
+1
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

It sure begs the question; why has the nuclear family divested itself of being a support mechanism for itself?

Because the nuclear family is often incapable of being a support mechanism for itself. It is extended families and clans that have a much better chance of being a support mechanism.

See, that's part of the system. In the nuclear family, disability or job loss of one adult is a sufficient disaster to sink the whole family. This generally wasn't true in extended families and clans.

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

PS - In many regards, Angstrom isn't wrong (in my opinion)

Oh, I agree! Submissive women and foraging is a perfectly viable lifestyle in 21st-century Canada.
 
Liberalman
Free Thinker
#23
OP example of America. In Canada it is better since we have government healthcare.
 
petros
+2
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post



I sure do wonder how humanity ever possibly managed to survive before the introduction of the myriad of social services

 
SLM
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

It's difficult to plant in concrete. I'm not coming down on one side or another in this here de-bate....but that's a known fact Jack!
 
Ludlow
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Nice garden
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

It's difficult to plant in concrete. I'm not coming down on one side or another in this here de-bate....but that's a known fact Jack!

North Central Community Gardens | North Central Community Association Regina (external - login to view)
 
Sal
No Party Affiliation
+1
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

How does someone end up destitute through no fault of their own?

illness

mental or physical

an inability to learn via the current school system
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

OP example of America. In Canada it is better since we have government healthcare.

We have it here, too. Or have you missed the last six years of intense debate on Obamacare because you were too busy weeping your eyes out over the poor dead beebees?
 
petros
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by SalView Post

illness

mental or physical

an inability to learn via the current school system

Why no preparation for the inevitable?
 

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