The Untouchables on Frontline


Mowich
Conservative
+3
#1
Sorry, gopher...........this one really is on Obama.


There are things going on that shouldn’t be going on. There are people getting away with things who shouldn’t be getting away with things. We all know that.

And then there’s this interesting question: More than four years since the financial crisis, not one senior Wall Street executive has faced criminal prosecution for fraud. Are Wall Street executives “too big to jail?”

Chew on that one for a while.

The Untouchables (on Frontline, PBS, 10 p.m.) is a transfixing, enraging examination of why a small army of greedy-guts bank executives in bespoke suits, the ones who brought down an entire economy, are moseying around, fancy-free, and not in court or in the hoosegow.

It’s fair to wonder why. And, timed as it is to air one day after Barack Obama begins his second term as President of the United States, the program is a brutal indictment of his administration.

What happened in the collapse of various banks in 2008 was mind-boggling. The U.S. economy itself came to the brink of disintegration. Look around the world at the impact and it is devastating. As we now know, a vast network of banks, all in cahoots, led Europe and the United States into recession. (A very good read on the madness in Europe is Michael Lewis’s book Boomerang: Be prepared to be stunned by it.) Around Europe, former bank execs have been prosecuted and some are doing jail time. In the United States, nothing more than finger-pointing has happened.

The Frontline program, written and produced by Martin Smith, begins with an assertion by a U.S. Justice Department official that “greed is not necessarily criminal.” It then looks at the difference between greed and criminality and finds copious evidence of criminal fraud.

At the core of the program is an examination of what was at the core of the banking practices that precipitated the crisis – the banks knowingly packaged and sold toxic mortgage loans to investors. These dubious loans should never have been given in the first place. The banks knew that and merrily stepped around financial safety standards to keep the game going.

Particular attention is paid to Countrywide Financial, which, in 2006, financed 20 per cent of all mortgages in the United States. Its business plan was simple, we are told – “a loan for every customer” was the motto. Even if the customer had no income. A former employee, who questioned the viability of some loans, was told, “If they can fog a mirror, we’ll give ’em a loan.” Total jiggery-pokery.

So mortgages, based on unverified information and inevitably headed for collapse, were sold and resold, with everybody along the banking line getting a fee, and nobody being bothered to make it stop. We hear from a “Due Diligence Underwriter,” a person tasked with assessing the loans and mortgages, who says, “It wasn’t uncommon for underwriters to laugh at the loans being given.” But his boss would dismiss the concerns and say, “The loan looks reasonable to me.” The boss’s bosses would then sell a package of dubious loans to investors with an assertion that everything was fine. At one point, Countrywide was estimated to have assets of $200-billion. When it was acquired by Bank of America in 2008, its assets were estimated at only $2.8-billion.

What emerges is a picture of dubious practices unchecked. And then what emerges is a number of politicians and officials seething with rage that fraud charges have not been brought against key players.

A lot of people are mad at the U.S. Department of Justice for failing to press charges. Former senator Ted Kaufman (a Democrat who was appointed to fill Joe Biden’s Senate seat when Biden was sworn in as Vice-President in January, 2009) was, as the program says, “determined to see bankers in handcuffs.” But try as he might, nothing happened.

Kaufman left Washington in 2010. His chief of staff, Jeff Connaughton, remains perplexed that prosecuting Wall Street was never a priority for the Obama administration: “You’re telling me that not one banker, not one executive on Wall Street, not one player in this entire financial crisis committed provable fraud?” he asks incredulously. “I mean, I just don’t believe that.”

Eventually, there is a sort-of explanation from Lanny Breuer, assistant attorney-general for the Department of Justice’s criminal division. Wringing his hands and obviously a bit nervous, he says, “I think there was a level of greed, a level of excessive risk taking in this situation that I find abominable and very upsetting. But that is not what makes a criminal case.”

And yet, as Frontline finds, there is considerable evidence of fraud. “Very upsetting” is what you’ll find this excellent exposé. Talk about getting away with it. You and I couldn’t get away with it.

The Untouchables: PBS show finds Wall Street can get away with murder - The Globe and Mail
 
EagleSmack
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Now we'll see the Dems attack Big Bird for sure!
 
Mowich
Conservative
+2
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Now we'll see the Dems attack Big Bird for sure!

Well they sure aren't going after the fat-cat bankers, Eagle.
 
Locutus
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#4
Blame _____________________!!!


 
Mowich
Conservative
+1
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by LocutusView Post

Blame _____________________!!!


After I watched this last night...........mouth agape..........I could not help but think that if the Occupy movement in the States had coalesced around this one issue, they might have actually been able to get something done. Maybe.
 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
+1
#6
There were all kinds of transgressions but were they illegal transgressions? Four years after
if nothing illegal took place who do you want prosecuted and believe me if there was illegal
acts I want them punished. The problem is past practice and relaxing of regulations may
have allowed for loop holes that allowed other to get away with a lot of things. What angers
me first is, they paid out billions to assist these companies and never applied conditions that
would prevent bonuses being paid to the key people who created the mess and that is on
Obama in my opinion. To suggest however that people committed crimes and they inner
circle of government allowed them to get away with it is a stretch. Those things have to be
proven in a court of law. Therefore its the DA and others in the legal departments that have
to bring transgressions of the law. Yes the Justice Department should be involved. First
was there laws broken? Was it using loopholes that allowed for the events to happen?
Important questions. there is a difference legally in ethical behaviour and criminal behaviour.
At least from a legal standpoint. If we were to imprison business people and brokers for
ethics the jails would overflow to the point there would be no room for criminals.
 
Mowich
Conservative
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

There were all kinds of transgressions but were they illegal transgressions? Four years after
if nothing illegal took place who do you want prosecuted and believe me if there was illegal
acts I want them punished. The problem is past practice and relaxing of regulations may
have allowed for loop holes that allowed other to get away with a lot of things. What angers
me first is, they paid out billions to assist these companies and never applied conditions that
would prevent bonuses being paid to the key people who created the mess and that is on
Obama in my opinion. To suggest however that people committed crimes and they inner
circle of government allowed them to get away with it is a stretch. Those things have to be
proven in a court of law. Therefore its the DA and others in the legal departments that have
to bring transgressions of the law. Yes the Justice Department should be involved. First
was there laws broken? Was it using loopholes that allowed for the events to happen?
Important questions. there is a difference legally in ethical behaviour and criminal behaviour.
At least from a legal standpoint. If we were to imprison business people and brokers for
ethics the jails would overflow to the point there would be no room for criminals.

DG, you really need to watch the program. Beyond a shadow of a doubt, the bankers are guilty. That they haven't been prosecuted for their crimes is a stain on Obama's presidency.
 
Goober
Free Thinker
taxslave
No Party Affiliation
+3
#9
Don't bet on the bankers being guilty of much of any consequence. When you read the fine print of the watered down laws there will be nothing worth pursuing.
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
#10
So Obama is also responsible for what happened in 2006 and in 2008?


BLAME OBAMA!!!
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
#11
Didn't he vow 10 ways to Sunday to bring these wrong doers to justice?
 
tay
+1
#12
Seems the show touched a nerve...........


Man Responsible for Not Bringing Criminal Charges to Wall Street Steps Down


Lanny A. Breuer is leaving the Justice Department after leading the agency’s efforts to clamp down on public corruption and financial fraud at the nation’s largest banks, according to several people familiar with the matter.


As one of the longest-serving heads of the criminal division, Breuer has had a tenure filled with controversy and high-profile prosecutions. He was admonished for his role in the agency’s botched attempt to infiltrate weapons-smuggling rings in the operation dubbed “Fast and Furious.” And he has been accused of being soft on Wall Street for failing to throw senior bank executives behind bars for their role in the financial crisis.


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Lanny Breuer, Justice Department criminal division chief, is stepping down - The Washington Post
 
EagleSmack
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Didn't he vow 10 ways to Sunday to bring these wrong doers to justice?

He sure did!

Quote: Originally Posted by tayView Post

Seems the show touched a nerve...........

And so? Another softy will come in and not do anything.
 
Goober
Free Thinker
+2
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

So Obama is also responsible for what happened in 2006 and in 2008?


BLAME OBAMA!!!

He appoints the Attorney General does he not. Anyone who has followed the news for that period forwards knew some funny bus was ongoing.
Unless of course they followed Alice down that hole.

With a lot of this going on. Donations to both parties. So don't cry innocence.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

There were all kinds of transgressions but were they illegal transgressions? Four years after
if nothing illegal took place who do you want prosecuted and believe me if there was illegal
acts I want them punished. The problem is past practice and relaxing of regulations may
have allowed for loop holes that allowed other to get away with a lot of things. What angers
me first is, they paid out billions to assist these companies and never applied conditions that
would prevent bonuses being paid to the key people who created the mess and that is on
Obama in my opinion. To suggest however that people committed crimes and they inner
circle of government allowed them to get away with it is a stretch.
Those things have to be
proven in a court of law. Therefore its the DA and others in the legal departments that have
to bring transgressions of the law. Yes the Justice Department should be involved. First
was there laws broken? Was it using loopholes that allowed for the events to happen?
Important questions. there is a difference legally in ethical behaviour and criminal behaviour.
At least from a legal standpoint. If we were to imprison business people and brokers for
ethics the jails would overflow to the point there would be no room for criminals.

It's not in any way a stretch as a matter of fact it is historically the most likely scenario by far. Always always always pervert from inside, eat the guts first, the skin still looks like an ethical business. The righteous mob will rip the unethical apart as fast as the criminal. I might even hobble over to the tarring myself and get a few boots in, only with the right foot mind you as the knee on the left is very stiff.
 
Mowich
Conservative
+1
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

So Obama is also responsible for what happened in 2006 and in 2008?


BLAME OBAMA!!!

No, gopher he isn't responsible for the meltdown. However, he is responsible for the weenie in the Justice Dept who loses sleep at night worrying about what will happen to the banks. Senator Kaufman when told about this was absolutley appalled and made remarks to the effect that the job of Justice is to prosecute. (Period) There are literally hundreds of civil cases being brought against the banks right now and the evidence they will put forward can and should be used to bring about criminal prosecution. This is on Obama's watch, gopher...........no two ways around it. As a taxpaying citizen who almost saw his country go under, I would think you too would love to see the money-grubbing bankers behind bars. These bastards almost brought down the economy of the entire planet fps and they did it knowingly, and will malice aforethought.

Quote: Originally Posted by tayView Post

Seems the show touched a nerve...........


Man Responsible for Not Bringing Criminal Charges to Wall Street Steps Down


Lanny A. Breuer is leaving the Justice Department after leading the agency’s efforts to clamp down on public corruption and financial fraud at the nation’s largest banks, according to several people familiar with the matter.


As one of the longest-serving heads of the criminal division, Breuer has had a tenure filled with controversy and high-profile prosecutions. He was admonished for his role in the agency’s botched attempt to infiltrate weapons-smuggling rings in the operation dubbed “Fast and Furious.” And he has been accused of being soft on Wall Street for failing to throw senior bank executives behind bars for their role in the financial crisis.


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Lanny Breuer, Justice Department criminal division chief, is stepping down - The Washington Post

Now that is a step in the right direction. One can only hope that his replacement won't lose sleep over the poor old bankers.

Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

And so? Another softy will come in and not do anything.

Geez, Eagle ...........give us some hope. Those greedy so and sos didn't just hurt your economy. They deserve, at the very least to bring strung up by their nether parts............failing that multi-year jail terms will do.

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

The righteous mob will rip the unethical apart as fast as the criminal. I might even hobble over to the tarring myself and get a few boots in, only with the right foot mind you as the knee on the left is very stiff.

Well........okay....personally though, I like the stringing them up by their man-parts one heck of a lot better.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#17



Quote:

Well........okay....personally though, I like the stringing them up by their man-parts one heck of a lot better.



Let's not have any of that old fashioned sexist stuff this is the twenty-first century and there is no lack of ruthless female bankers.
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
#18
Quote:

Mowich,


BLAME OBAMA!!!No, gopher he isn't responsible for the meltdown. However, he is responsible for the weenie in the Justice Dept who loses sleep at night worrying about what will happen to the banks.



Yeah but some of what was listed above occurred in the Bush years. Therefore, why isn't he blamed for not prosecuting the crimes that occurred then? How is Obama responsible for that??
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Yeah but some of what was listed above occurred in the Bush years. Therefore, why isn't he blamed for not prosecuting the crimes that occurred then? How is Obama responsible for that??

Obama knows what you do so he's ignoring charges against Bush, so he's guilty of shielding a suspect in a great big crime. He's guilty and you voted for the the the bad guy.
 
Mowich
Conservative
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Yeah but some of what was listed above occurred in the Bush years. Therefore, why isn't he blamed for not prosecuting the crimes that occurred then? How is Obama responsible for that??

The crimes were happening under Bush, gopher. The meltdown and ensuing financial crisis happened just after Obama took office. Did Bush know what was going on? Probably. Did he completely understand the consequences of what was going on - I never gave him much credit for brains, so maybe not. Could he have stepped in and done something - sure but these guys are his buddies, his campaign backers - not gonna happen. Therefore though he may be culpable for not doing something to regulate the banks, he was out of office when the poop hit the fan and thus not so as far as any prosecution.


The person responsible for pursuing these perps was Lanny Breuer who just lost his job - seems that someone in the White House watches PBS - was a complete and total weenie. Watching him being interviewed made me uncomfortable. He squirmed around so much in his chair I was beginning to think he had piles. He actually stated during one interview for the doc, that he did indeed worry about the future of the banks - from which came the saying 'Too Big, To Jail'. This from the guy who is supposed to be going out there and finding every bit of relevant evidence in order to pursue a prosecution - and there is plenty of evidence to be found. Plenty. There are reams and reams of documents - statements from the people who were charged with doing due diligence on mortgages. The reason they do this is to make sure that the person applying for the mortgage has the wherewithal to afford it. As is well documented, these folks were told by their supervisors who got the word from the banks, to approve loans that went against the bank's own regulations. Got that. They just said, forget it give 'em the loan. This is why it was that someone delivering pizza for a living ended up in a mansion. One enterprising fellow, just an ordinary citizen took his video camera and interviewed scores of Bear Sterns traders who pull no punches in telling him exactly what they were doing.

The evidence is there..........now does Obama have the will? Or are the bankers really 2 Big 2 Jail, if that is so it will be a sorry day for justice.


Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

Obama knows what you do so he's ignoring charges against Bush, so he's guilty of shielding a suspect in a great big crime. He's guilty and you voted for the the the bad guy.

You raise an interesting question, DB. Is it possible for Obama to bring Bush to account for anything? Does he have that power as Pres?
 
EagleSmack
#21
I do not think the Executive Office has any power to bring anyone into account for anything. The President cannot charge others with crimes. I am sure he could have his Atty General do something but woe to him when he leaves office and a GOP President comes in.

And one day there will be a Republican President.
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
#22
Quote:

The crimes were happening under Bush, gopher. The meltdown and ensuing financial crisis happened just after Obama took office. Did Bush know what was going on? Probably. Did he completely understand the consequences of what was going on - I never gave him much credit for brains, so maybe not.



Nice retreat from the claim that this one is exclusively on Obama.



Quote:

one day there will be a Republican President.


Oh, I forgot that Reagan and the two Bush's were RINO's, not true conservatives.
 
Dixie Cup
Conservative
#23
Their whole system stinks! There's a documentary that has either come out or is coming out about Washington D.C. itself and I believe (not positive tho') that it's called "Boomtown". (Kinda missed the first part of the program)

According to the producers, Washington has surpassed even Silicon Valley and Hollywood as the wealthiest city in the US. They have the highest income per capita and they are currently having a construction boom to boot. The top 5% earn more than $400,000 and they gave the figures of the top 20% but I can't remember what it was - I believe it was $250,000 (+/-). Alternatively, the bottom 5% earn less than $9,100/year.

Restaurants are constantly full - especially the higher end ones (so more are opening up) and they have the highest consumption of high-end wines in the US - no cheapie wines for these guys. Lamborginies (sp??) Mazaratti's (sp?) are purchased, for the most part, in cash!! A Dealer interviewed said that "too many were paying cash" Real Estate is booming as well!!!

Unfortunately, all this "boomtown" construction and high-end purchases are all because of the money coming into Washington via Federal taxes and debt borrowing ('xcuse me "stimulant" money) and not by anyone actually working to produce a product or service. In otherwords, it's being paid by the rest of the country who is still suffering the effects of the lackluster economy and the wealth is being created on borrowed money.

In order for companies to be competitive, they need to hire individuals to lobby on their behalf - usually ex-politicians and its quite a lucrative job. They need an "insider" to navigate the large governmental bureacracy. If they don't do it, they won't survive in business because they wouldn't have an inside track on any government projects.

Regarding the people in power, both Dems and Republicans, nepotisim is alive and well. Harry Reid has 2 or 3 relatives (wife, sons, dtrs, dtr-in-laws) who are "lobbiests" as do other Dems and Republicans. The Political Elite is entrenched and growing every year.

And it didn't just start under Obama. It's just become worse under his Administration. This has been going on for 30 years or so.
This whole situation is out of control and someone needs the cajones to change it. They gave an example of one company that spent $39 million on lobbying efforts in one year and realized a 22,000% ROR (rate of return) (yep, that's right, 22 thousand percent).

The program I was watching just gave bits and pieces of the documentary but if enough Americans see it, they're going to be really angry! I'm hoping it gets shown at Theatres across the U.S.

The whole thing is pretty scary and under Obama, things are only going to get worse in my HO.
 
Mowich
Conservative
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

I do not think the Executive Office has any power to bring anyone into account for anything. The President cannot charge others with crimes. I am sure he could have his Atty General do something but woe to him when he leaves office and a GOP President comes in.

And one day there will be a Republican President.

Good point that last one, Eagle and thanks for the clarification.

Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Nice retreat from the claim that this one is exclusively on Obama.

It wasn't a retreat, gopher, it was a clarification of where the blame lies for the lack of prosecution after the collapse.

Quote: Originally Posted by Dixie CupView Post

Their whole system stinks! There's a documentary that has either come out or is coming out about Washington D.C. itself and I believe (not positive tho') that it's called "Boomtown". (Kinda missed the first part of the program)
According to the producers, Washington has surpassed even Silicon Valley and Hollywood as the wealthiest city in the US. They have the highest income per capita and they are currently having a construction boom to boot. The top 5% earn more than $400,000 and they gave the figures of the top 20% but I can't remember what it was - I believe it was $250,000 (+/-). Alternatively, the bottom 5% earn less than $9,100/year.
Restaurants are constantly full - especially the higher end ones (so more are opening up) and they have the highest consumption of high-end wines in the US - no cheapie wines for these guys. Lamborginies (sp??) Mazaratti's (sp?) are purchased, for the most part, in cash!! A Dealer interviewed said that "too many were paying cash" Real Estate is booming as well!!!
Unfortunately, all this "boomtown" construction and high-end purchases are all because of the money coming into Washington via Federal taxes and debt borrowing ('xcuse me "stimulant" money) and not by anyone actually working to produce a product or service. In otherwords, it's being paid by the rest of the country who is still suffering the effects of the lackluster economy and the wealth is being created on borrowed...

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Dixie, if you can would you please provide a link to the doc? I would be interested in watching it.

BTW, here is a link to another doc that might find quite illuminating.

NOVA | Rise of the Drones

 
Locutus
+1
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Dixie CupView Post

Their whole system stinks! There's a documentary that has either come out or is coming out about Washington D.C. itself and I believe (not positive tho') that it's called "Boomtown". (Kinda missed the first part of the program)
According to the producers, Washington has surpassed even Silicon Valley and Hollywood as the wealthiest city in the US. They have the highest income per capita and they are currently having a construction boom to boot. The top 5% earn more than $400,000 and they gave the figures of the top 20% but I can't remember what it was - I believe it was $250,000 (+/-). Alternatively, the bottom 5% earn less than $9,100/year.
Restaurants are constantly full - especially the higher end ones (so more are opening up) and they have the highest consumption of high-end wines in the US - no cheapie wines for these guys. Lamborginies (sp??) Mazaratti's (sp?) are purchased, for the most part, in cash!! A Dealer interviewed said that "too many were paying cash" Real Estate is booming as well!!!
Unfortunately, all this "boomtown" construction and high-end purchases are all because of the money coming into Washington via Federal taxes and debt borrowing ('xcuse me "stimulant" money) and not by anyone actually working to produce a product or service. In otherwords, it's being paid by the rest of the country who is still suffering the effects of the lackluster economy and the wealth is being created on borrowed...

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Quote: Originally Posted by MowichView Post

Good point that last one, Eagle and thanks for the clarification.



It wasn't a retreat, gopher, it was a clarification of where the blame lies for the lack of prosecution after the collapse.



Dixie, if you can would you please provide a link to the doc? I would be interested in watching it.

BTW, here is a link to another doc that might find quite illuminating.

NOVA | Rise of the Drones




Perhaps this?



12513 Hannity Special Boomtown Part I - YouTube



12513 Hannity Special Boomtown Part II - YouTube



12513 Hannity Special Boomtown Part III - YouTube

 
Mowich
Conservative
#26
Making Them Pay (and Confess)


By nominating Ms. White, a former federal prosecutor, to head the S.E.C. last week, President Obama appeared to send a message that Washington was finally going to get tough with financial wrongdoers. Tough enforcement has been pretty much AWOL on his watch. Maybe Ms. White can change that with a new, aggressive approach.

Here’s a good place to start: The S.E.C. routinely lets companies and individuals settle cases against them without admitting or denying its findings. This lets bad actors pretend that they’ve done nothing wrong. It also makes it harder for investors to mount successful lawsuits against them.

Regulators say this is the best approach. The practice, they contend, helps the S.E.C. and other agencies avoid costly, time-consuming litigation that would tax already-stretched resources. Quick settlements, rather than long trials, mean victims get restitution faster. And there’s always the possibility that the S.E.C. might lose in court.

But these no-admission settlements can be little more than a wrist slap — and certainly do not qualify as punishment. Most financial penalties end up being paid for by the company’s shareholders or its insurance policies. That’s not much of a deterrent.

Here is another reason the S.E.C. should junk these arrangements: other prosecutors have already done so. Preet Bharara, the United States attorney for the Southern District of New York — hired by Ms. White in 2000 when she ran that office — has made it a priority to require admissions from defendants in civil fraud cases brought by his prosecutors.

Such admissions are a way to hold defendants accountable, as well as being an important part of the public record, Mr. Bharara says.



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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/27/bu...20130127&_r=1&

 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
+1
#27
Quote:

It wasn't a retreat, gopher, it was a clarification of where the blame lies for the lack of prosecution after the collapse.



Your own initial link shows some of those collapses occurred during Bush's years. Therefore, it was the DOJ under his reign that bears responsibility for not having prosecuted, assuming a crime took place. On that basis what I want you to do is this:


1) list each crime that took place

2) give specifics as to when each & every crime occurred

3) list who was responsible for taking legal action against the perpetrators (SEC/DOJ/FBI, etc)



Then, show me who is specifically responsible for failing to action proper legal action. BTW, why do you suppose the Congress which has so many Republicans who are only too eager to blame Obama for everything under the sun has not taken any committee meetings to explore why these occurred and how to stop them?
 
Mowich
Conservative
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Your own initial link shows some of those collapses occurred during Bush's years. Therefore, it was the DOJ under his reign that bears responsibility for not having prosecuted, assuming a crime took place. On that basis what I want you to do is this:

1) list each crime that took place

2) give specifics as to when each & every crime occurred

3) list who was responsible for taking legal action against the perpetrators (SEC/DOJ/FBI, etc)



Then, show me who is specifically responsible for failing to action proper legal action. BTW, why do you suppose the Congress which has so many Republicans who are only too eager to blame Obama for everything under the sun has not taken any committee meetings to explore why these occurred and how to stop them?



More than enough blame to round, gopher as this article points out.

George W. Bush - 25 People to Blame for the Financial Crisis - TIME

The following articles have a really good break down of what happened and when, gopher. The collapse did start during the last year Bushie was Pres - you are right and I was wrong about that. However, the financial crisis didn't come to a head until September of 2008. By then, Bush was on his way out and the entire fiasco fell to Obama when he was elected Pres just two months later. As I have stated before, it is the lack of prosecution under Obama's watch which it the main reason the bankers have not been held to account.

The 2008 Meltdown And Where The Blame Falls - Forbes


Global financial crisis: five key stages 2007-2011 | Business | The Guardian

Not being party to the documents myself, gopher, I can only go on what is known now as far as alleged criminal activity. The following article outlines some of the facts that have come to light.

'And our office has focused on the due diligence process because we were really looking to bring cases that were not about one deal or five deals or 10 deals, but to bring what we call “platform cases” that are about a systemic pattern of misconduct.

And the heart of that was the representations that were made to the public that these firms, these banks, had a rigorous due diligence process, and that they checked the loans they were getting, and they packaged them together into mortgage-backed securities, and that they were making sure the lenders they bought them from were following the right guidelines, and they had an ongoing process they represented over and over again to keep track of the loans. And if there were loans that turned out to be bad, they had the right to make the originators, the lenders, take them back.


We found in several cases that we brought already — and we have other investigations under way — it was a sham. A lot of them used the same third-party due diligence firms to screen the loans. There’s evidence that they knew they were taking loans they shouldn’t take. There’s evidence that there were folks who tried to raise the alarm and were silenced. …


They were more concerned, at the end of the day, about their relationship with these mortgage firms, Countrywide and others, than they were about their responsibilities to their investors. That’s really the heart of our office’s piece of this broader investigation, these systemic misrepresentations.


No one would have bought any mortgage-backed securities, not one certificate, not one share, if they hadn’t had confidence that they were checking the loans to make sure they had the proper paperwork, that the folks who had taken them out could afford them. They represented that they were doing that, and we’ve determined that in fact they were not."

Eric Schneiderman: Mortgage Task Force Eyeing Broader Suits | The Untouchables | FRONTLINE | PBS

You might want to check out the PBS 'Untouchables' doc yourself, gopher..........here is a link.

The Untouchables | FRONTLINE | PBS

and when you done with that..........you can watch this:


The Biggest Bank Heist Ever HD - YouTube




Look, gopher..........I'm glad Obama got re-elected, he was certainly a better choice, IMHO, then the guy with the magic underwear. However, there are many things he has to start doing if he wants his legacy to have any real meaning.........and getting convictions of those responsible for the financial crisis for the American people would be a grand one.


 
EagleSmack
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by MowichView Post


Look, gopher..........I'm glad Obama got re-elected, he was certainly a better choice, IMHO, then the guy with the magic underwear. However, there are many things he has to...

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And one for himself?

 
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If we were to imprison business people and brokers for
ethics the jails would overflow to the point there would be no room for criminals.

Yeah? So? Render them to Poland or Gitmo for waterboarding and tittie twisters like the terrorists they are.
 
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