China criticizes US Human Rights Record in Report


earth_as_one
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#1
The United States often releases reports critical of China's human rights record, but over the last 10 years, China's human rights record has improved dramatically. Since 9/11 human rights have deteriorated drastically in the US. Well its finally reached the point where China can legitimately criticize the US human rights record and almost not sound hypocritical... almost.

Human Rights Record of the United States in 2011

State Council Information Office of the People's Republic of China

May 25, 2012

The State Department of the United States released its Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2011 on May 24, 2012. As in previous years, the reports are full of over-critical remarks on the human rights situation in nearly 200 countries and regions as well as distortions and accusations concerning the human rights cause in China. However, the United States turned a blind eye to its own woeful human rights situation and kept silent about it. The Human Rights Record of the United States in 2011 is hereby prepared to reveal the true human rights situation of the United States to people across the world and urge the United States to face up to its own doings.
Human Rights Record of the United States in 2011 (external - login to view)

Some valid points:

The US has high rates of violent crime, rape and child molestation.

Millions of Americans suffer food insecurity and homelessness.

Americans who protest non-violently are beaten and arrested. (Occupy Wall Street)

The US does not allow reporters to protect their sources.

The U.S. democracy is increasingly being influenced by capitalization and becoming a system for "master of money."

The U.S. remains the country with the largest "prison population" and the highest per capita level of imprisonment in the world,

Racial discrimination is rampant in some parts of the US.

The United States has not ratified the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women, nor the Convention on the Rights of the Child.

The US has conducted medical experiments by infecting people with sexually transmitted diseases both domestically and internationally. (in the late 1940's)

Recent US led wars have resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths, millions of serious injuries and made millions of people homeless.

Concluding paragraph:

The above-mentioned facts are but a small yet illustrative enough fraction of the United States' dismal record on its human rights situation. The United States' own tarnished human rights record has made it in no condition, on moral, political or legal basis, to act as the world's "human rights justice," to place itself above other countries and release the Country Reports on Human Rights Practices year after year to accuse and blame other countries. We hereby advise the U.S. government once again to look squarely at its own grave human rights problems, to stop the unpopular practices of taking human rights as a political instrument for interference in other countries' internal affairs, smearing other nations'images and seeking its own strategic interests, and to cease using double standards on human rights and pursuing hegemony under the pretext of human rights.
 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
#2
Yup all of what is said is true to one degree or another, even so it is still far better to live
in America than in some of the other God forsaken countries on earth and one of the
worst is China. China is an enigma, we detest their behavior yet our mercenary business
people who have no loyalty do the bulk of their business with them.
America has faults so does Canada but at least when we want to protest something we do
not have to stare down the barrel of tanks in the street.
If anyone is waiting for a perfect nation they will wait a long time.
In addition, in an open society you will have rape, murder, shootings and a host of other crimes.
Why is that? In some other nations people would be locked up on suspicion they might commit
a crime and a lot of innocent people get locked up for suspicion.
It is time we looked at improving our society and ensuring peoples rights are protected, but the
difference is we have rights that need protecting, in some countries like China, they don't have
rights to protect.
Personally I will stick to an imperfect system we will try to improve than advocate for a system
where we would have to start from scratch because the meaning of rights does not yet exist.
America and Canada and Western Democracies in general are way ahead of the game on human
rights even with their short comings.
 
earth_as_one
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DG, you should read the report.

Also I've been to China and its not the same country it was 23 years ago during the crackdown on Tienanmen protestors.

Here's an example of a recent protest in China:

... a growing environmental movement is beginning to make the most polluting projects much harder to build and operate. Large and sometimes violent demonstrations against the planned construction of one of the largest copper smelting complexes on earth prompted local officials in southwestern China’s Sichuan Province to continue backpedaling furiously on Wednesday. The local government of Shifang, the planned site of the smelter, announced in a statement that the construction of the $1.6 billion complex had not only been suspended but also permanently canceled.

The smelter was supposed to be the centerpiece of a planned economic revitalization of an area devastated by the 2008 Sichuan earthquake, through the creation of thousands of construction jobs at a time when the overall Chinese economy is suffering a sharp slowdown.

A police official in Shifang said in a telephone interview that everyone detained in the protests had been released. The police acted after a crowd estimated by local residents in the tens of thousands defied the police and assembled Tuesday evening to demand the release of dozens of students jailed in the protests on Sunday and Monday.

In a country infamous for its polluted air and water, the protests were only the latest in a series of large, sometimes violent demonstrations that appear to be having some success in pushing China to impose more stringent safeguards on new manufacturing and mining projects.


www.nytimes.com/2012/07/05/wo...ests.html?_r=0 (external - login to view)

Mind you it depends what the Chinese are protesting. The authorities aren't nearly so tolerant when it comes to direct threats to them or Chinese sovereignty over Tibet.

I can say all of Shanghai and Beijing are safer than Toronto or Ottawa.... and far more safer than parts of New York city or the area around the Whitehouse in Washington.

Also millions of desperately poor people in the US do go to bed hungry. China doesn't have this problem. Their poor lack possessions, but they all have adequate food.

I disagree that we are further ahead than China in all cases. I was able to travel from anywhere in Shanghai in under an hour by public transit. That would not be possible in the Greater Toronto Area and Shanghai is about 5x's the size of Toronto.. Shanghai's business and tourist sections were more modern and cleaner than any Canadian city and completely safe at any time day or night.... and I saw very few police, mostly because their crime rate is so low. They simply aren't needed.
 
china
Conservative
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#4
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

DG, you should read the report.

I disagree that we are further ahead than China in all cases. I was able to travel from anywhere in Shanghai in under an hour by public transit. Shanghai's business and tourist sections were more modern and cleaner than any Canadian city and completely safe at any time day or night.... and I saw very few police, mostly because their crime rate is so low. They simply aren't needed.
__________________________

Lived in China for almost 8 years .Written many letters (in CC ) about the country of China , received mostly petty minded responses .
Maybe they'll believe you .
Lived in Shanghai-Pu Dong 2 years, subway system is second to none .
I might be called a Commie or a traitor again .hahaha
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
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#5
Please.... One does himself no favours in overlooking one's own part in one's own persecution. Perhaps if good news wasn't interspersed with hateful remarks of another's home, one wouldn't catch the e-poke
 
Spade
Free Thinker
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#6  Top Rated Post
China has made huge progress; so has the US. Both nations have far to go, as does our own.
 
china
Conservative
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

Please.... One does himself no favours in overlooking one's own part in one's own persecution. Perhaps if good news wasn't interspersed with hateful remarks of another's home, one wouldn't catch the e-poke

Quote:

One does himself no favours in overlooking one's own part in one's own persecution.

-like your philosophy Master .
 
earth_as_one
#8
I agree that China has made huge progress, but the US has gone the other way.

The Occupy Wall Street protesters found out about police brutality and their right to peacefully protest.

Gitmo and dozens of other Black Op sites proves the US abducts and tortures people without any legal due process,.

The US summarily executes people without any legal due process, even American citizens.

Canada has abandoned Canadian citizens rotting in US dungeons and stranded abroad due to US lists which arbitrarily prevent people from flying.

Canadians abroad cannot vote in Canadian elections... even Egyptians have that right.
Last edited by earth_as_one; Dec 17th, 2012 at 06:09 PM..
 
china
Conservative
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

China has made huge progress; so has the US. Both nations have far to go, as does our own.


One can't make a "progress" in being civil ...you either are or you ain't - brothaaaaa.
Last edited by china; Dec 17th, 2012 at 06:17 PM..
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
+1
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by chinaView Post

-like your philosophy Master .

Naw... Mine's: ...if you can't eat it or play with it, pee on it


...note clean version for romper-room monitor
 
BaalsTears
+2
#11
If Candians are self-aware they will acknowledge a tendency toward smugness.
 
EagleSmack
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post


Also millions of desperately poor people in the US do go to bed hungry. China doesn't have this problem. Their poor lack possessions, but they all have adequate food.

LMAO. What a joke. Our "poor" are the most obese class in our own country. Our desperately poor live better than most other countries middle class.

Our poor lack neither possession nor food. Flat screens, cable TV, air conditioning... they have it all.

YOU FAIL
 
china
Conservative
+1
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

LMAO. What a joke. Our "poor" are the most obese class in our own country. Our desperately poor live better than most other countries middle class.

Our poor lack neither possession nor food. Flat screens, cable TV, air conditioning... they have it all.

YOU FAIL

Yeap , that's why H Clinton goes to China begging for money .
 
EagleSmack
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by chinaView Post

Yeap , that's why H Clinton goes to China begging for money .

Certainly not to feed our so called poor.
 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
#15
Wait just a minute the poor in this country do not all have flat screen TVs and they do have food and
housing concerns. Some have to make choices between paying the rent and buying food and having
the power or heat still hooked up. Yes we have a poverty program a serious one, the problem for many
is they equate poverty here to poverty in the third world. Poverty here is just as serious as anywhere
else.
The problem is if we continue to just put our head in the sand we will find the poor and desperate looking
for something different. It has happened in many civilizations in the past and it could happen here.
I have seen things here in our city where single mothers have to make those choices.
America is not the wonderful place that people can only dream about its just a whole lot better than the
nightmare most are living in. As for China, they can have all the subways they want and the trains can
run on time that does not mean they have democracy or freedom of choice. they are being distracted
by things at the moment and that wears thin. We once were distracted by things and now we wonder
where all the things and jobs and so on have gone.
I am a person who believes we have it better than most but a long way from perfect.
As for China, the problem is they have a new direction but its not based on democracy and choice.
Hitler improved things in Germany and Mussolini improved things in Italy but the mask of reality was
ripped off at the advent of war. All that progress was nothing more than a thin disguise.
The fact is no where is perfect but the open society we have is still preferable to the Chinese system.
Oh and the environmental movement is Asia, sure its growing but most people don't realize Hitler was
a hardcore environmentalist he was still a tyrant.
 
china
Conservative
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Certainly not to feed our so called poor.


Agree , not to feed the poor - "feed the banks".The poor are still poor .
 
EagleSmack
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

Wait just a minute the poor in this country do not all have flat screen TVs and they do have food and
housing concerns. Some have to make choices between paying the rent and buying food and having
the power or heat still hooked up. Yes we have a poverty program a serious one, the problem for many
is they equate poverty here to poverty in the third world. Poverty here is just as serious as anywhere
else. .

Ahhhh well that is too bad. Our poor have everything they need plus a little more.
 
china
Conservative
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Ahhhh well that is too bad. Our poor have everything they need plus a little more.

What's "to bad " is that your country lives on credit and an illusion .The grater the credit the greater the illusion .The poor are real - if you are able to see them .No illusion about that .
 
taxslave
No Party Affiliation
#19
So which country prevents its own citizens from leaving the country if they so choose?
 
Goober
Free Thinker
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#20
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

I agree that China has made huge progress, but the US has gone the other way.

The Occupy Wall Street protesters found out about police brutality and their right to peacefully protest.

Gitmo and dozens of other Black Op sites proves the US abducts and tortures people without any legal due process,.

The US summarily executes people without any legal due process, even American citizens.

Canada has abandoned Canadian citizens rotting in US dungeons and stranded abroad due to US lists which arbitrarily prevent people from flying.

Canadians abroad cannot vote in Canadian elections... even Egyptians have that right.

Perhaps you should perform some decent research on China and Human Rights before you go off on your usual US Rant and Rave
Look at property that is confiscated
Persons who make complaints against party members
How many riots china has had this year or last year or the year before.

And then Tibet - or the Mongolians- or the Uyghur - till then you are just up to your usual standard of trolling.
Such a sad little wanker. Really sad.
 
china
Conservative
+1
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

So which country prevents its own citizens from leaving the country if they so choose?

Canada , you will have a hard time getting a passport if you have a criminal record .Spitting on someone is a criminal offence .
 
taxslave
No Party Affiliation
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by chinaView Post

Canada , you will have a hard time getting a passport if you have a criminal record .Spitting on someone is a criminal offence .

You don't need a passport to leave Canada. You need it to get into many countries and it might make getting back into Canada easier.
 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

China has made huge progress; so has the US. Both nations have far to go, as does our own.

Yep.
 
china
Conservative
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

You don't need a passport to leave Canada. You need it to get into many countries and it might make getting back into Canada easier.

You are correct taxslave ,you just need the 'means'of leaving a said country .The Chinese are using boats as a means of transporting themselves to Canada's western coast.
.Last I've heard they have no intention of returning to their home land.
There is no problem of getting a passport for a Chinese citizen
Last edited by china; Dec 17th, 2012 at 09:25 PM..
 
mentalfloss
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#25
Everybody calm down - we all know our poorest are watching 1080p blurays while doing their blow.
 
Colpy
Conservative
+1
#26
Fifty

Million

Murdered.

At least.

One of the greatest human rights abusers on earth, secret executions, detention without charge, corruption, slaughter of protesters, arrest of those that speak out, the tearing out of the condemned's organs before their execution, supporter of ALL the worst abusers on earth.......and these people think China is wonderful because they go there and have a nice time.

Gee Whiz Guys

What can I say??

Many things, but they would get deleted.

Smarten up.
 
petros
#27
The whole world is ****ed. What more do you need to know?
 
Colpy
Conservative
#28


Police officers practise executing supposed prisoners with a shot to the head during a police drill in Nanning, Guangxi, southern China. Photograph: AP

Yep. Chinese police learning to respect the human rights of their citizens.

How stupid do you have to be to listen to these people criticize the west??

(rhetorical question)
 
earth_as_one
+1
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Fifty

Million

Murdered.

At least.

One of the greatest human rights abusers on earth, secret executions, detention without charge, corruption, slaughter of protesters, arrest of those that speak out, the tearing out of the condemned's organs before their execution, supporter of ALL the worst abusers on earth.......and these people think China is wonderful because they go there and have a nice time.

Gee Whiz Guys

What can I say??

Many things, but they would get deleted.

Smarten up.

What year was that Colpy? Are any of the people who did this still running China?

Referencing China's historical injustices in a debate about the state of human rights in China today is barely on-topic and about as relevant as referencing American historical injustices in a debate about the state of human rights in the US today. But if you want to go there, sure I'll compare historical injustices in China relative to historical injustices in the US even though neither issue has any significant relevance to the human rights situation today.

The US practiced ethnic cleansing and genocide against first nations people. Their soldiers murdered and slaughtered entire communities. Tens of thousands of people were forced from their homes and their land was awarded to mostly white people. The US also had an active slave trade for hundreds of years. White slave owners raped and murdered their black slaves with impunity.

But if I was to raise these issues in a discussion about American human rights today, I'd look just as ridiculous as you do now bringing up historical Chinese events... which have little to no bearing on the state of human rights in China today.

I never claimed that China is a human rights leader or that their current record is something the Chinese can take pride in. I am saying that over the last 10 years, the human rights situation has improved in China and deteriorated in the US to the point where China can almost criticize the US on human rights issues and not appear hypocritical.

I'll keep repeating that statement until the subtlety sinks in, as some of you appear to believe I am actually defending China's human rights record. A few regulars here have made false claims about my meaning/intent in order to make straw man arguments.

Certainly the US no longer has a good enough human rights record to be able to criticize China without looking hypocritical.

Here are summaries from Amnesty International regarding the US, China and Canada:

AI Regarding China 2011

Fearful of a protest movement inspired by events in the Middle East and North Africa, in February the authorities unleashed one of the harshest crackdowns on political activists, human rights defenders and online activists since the 1989 Tiananmen Square demonstrations. Harassment, intimidation, arbitrary and illegal detention, and enforced disappearances intensified against government critics. Ethnic minority regions were under heightened security as local residents protested against discrimination, repression and other violations of their rights. The authorities increased ongoing efforts to bring all religious practice within the control of the state; this included harsh persecution of some religious practitioners. China’s economic strength during the global financial crisis increased the country’s leverage in the domain of global human rights – mostly for the worse.
Details: Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights (external - login to view)


AI Regarding the USA 2011:

Forty-three men were executed during the year, and concerns about cruel prison conditions continued. Scores of detainees remained in indefinite military detention at Guantánamo. The administration announced its intention to pursue the death penalty against six of these detainees in trials by military commission. Some 3,000 people were held in the US detention facility on the Bagram air base in Afghanistan by the end of the year. Use of lethal force in the counter-terrorism context raised serious concerns, as did continuing reports of the use of excessive force in the domestic law enforcement context.
Details: Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights (external - login to view)

When you factor the US's much higher violent crime rate, US foreign policies support of brutal dictators and ethnic cleansing, its clear Americans can't take pride in their human rights record or legitimately criticize China's improving human rights record.

While China executes more people every year than any other country, they are also the world's most greatest population. So absolute values comparing a country with 1.5 billion people to a country with only 300 million people is misleading. Also China does not release information about its executions, so its difficult to know their exact per capita rate. But I did find this:

Eighty-eight per cent of all known executions in 2007 took place in five countries: China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the USA. Saudi Arabia (eao: SA is a US supported dictatorship) had the highest number of executions per capita, followed by Iran and Libya. Amnesty International can confirm at least 470 executions by China - the highest overall figure. Lack of transparency and limited access to information about the number of executions in China means that the true figure is undoubtedly much higher.
2007 world death penalty statistics published - Amnesty International Australia (external - login to view)


For balance, AI Regarding Canada

There were continuing systematic violations of the rights of Indigenous Peoples. Limited progress was made in addressing concerns about human rights violations associated with counter-terror and policing operations.
Details: Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights (external - login to view)

Based on the above I would still rate the US human rights record as better than China's... but not by that much. Certainly Canada has a MUCH better human rights record than the US or China. Canada can still improve regarding the rights of Indigenous Peoples and due process for alleged "terrorists"... The fact that we use the word terrorist and terrorism in our legal code instead of criminals or prisoners of war indicates we have a prejudicial biased legal process when it comes to certain crimes.

Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

... Such a sad little wanker. Really sad.

Talk about sad... and pathetic. Make a post which is polite and you might get a response.
Last edited by earth_as_one; Dec 18th, 2012 at 10:40 AM..
 
EagleSmack
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

The US practiced ethnic cleansing and genocide against first nations people. Their soldiers murdered and slaughtered entire communities. Tens of thousands of people were forced from their homes and their land was awarded to mostly white people. The US also had an active slave trade for hundreds of years.

No that was the Canadians who did that to the First Nations. The Americans had the Native Americans to worry about. The Native American soldiers also massacred whole communities and raped, mutilated, murdered and kidnapped white people. The Native Americans also preyed upon each other and enslaved each other and also participated in the enslavement of black people.

Quote: Originally Posted by chinaView Post

What's "to bad " is that your country lives on credit and an illusion .The grater the credit the greater the illusion .The poor are real - if you are able to see them .No illusion about that .

Oh they are considered poor because they don't have as much cool stuff as those that work. However they have their flat screens, AC, top of the line clothes, sweet rides, and have so much food that the "poor" have become the most obese class in the US.

Please... don't talk to me about poverty in the US.

 

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