Is Obama Toast?

Is Obama Toast?

TeddyBallgame

#1Oct 20th, 2012

- Based on his record over the past four years, he certainly deserves to be. As he himself acknowledged in early 2009, if he failed to turn the economy around in the following three years then he was looking at a one term presidency.

- But there are still over two weeks of campaigning and "surprises" by Obama's team of Chicago mugs, thugs and slugs to go so it is premature to be certain that Americans are prepared to stamp out BO on November 6th.

- Obama and his gang are always unpredictable and therefore always dangerous. Considering that he was completely unqualified for the presidency in the first place and won it anyway, the fact that he has failed in almost everything he has tried over the past four years doesn't mean he will lose the upcoming election even though it should.

- However, as the following statistical information makes clear, the polls are currently breaking very strongly in Mitt Romney's favour and could even give him a landslide victory if the polling trend continues as it has the past two weeks.

- So as Churchill would put it, for Obama this is not the end, it is not even the beginning of the end, but it is the end of the beginning.

Romney Outpolling Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II and Obama At Same Point In Their Victorious Election Bids… | Weasel Zippers

B00Mer

Libertarian

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Toast is an under statement.. he's lucky not to be run out of office.. he will go down in history as Jimmy Carter #2.

Liberalman

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

The most important poll is Election Day when the Democrats win.

B00Mer

Libertarian

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman

The most important poll is Election Day when the Republicans win.

Fixed..

TenPenny

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

"Obama's team of Chicago mugs, thugs and slugs "

Still can't actually come up with anything factual, have to resort to the same tired insults. Obviously, the OP has nothing of substance to say, or they wouldn't keep resorting to pathetic insults. It's sad to see people who show some potential, writing in such a hackneyed wimpy way.

JLM

No Party Affiliation

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by TeddyBallgame

- Based on his record over the past four years, he certainly deserves to be. As he himself acknowledged in early 2009, if he failed to turn the economy around in the following three years then he was looking at a one term presidency.

Romney Outpolling Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II and Obama At Same Point In Their Victorious Election Bids… | Weasel Zippers

You should quit smoking whatever sh*t it is you are smoking, Teddy..............believe me you've got a hold of some really bad sh*t that is screwing up your mind................that's assuming you have a mind. Romney will take Utah and possibly fluke a couple more.

B00Mer

Libertarian

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

You should quit smoking whatever sh*t it is you are smoking, Teddy..............believe me you've got a hold of some really bad sh*t that is screwing up your mind................that's assuming you have a mind. Romney will take Utah and possibly fluke a couple more.

won't you be surprised Nov 6th.. lol

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-political-map

JLM

No Party Affiliation

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer

won't you be surprised Nov 6th.. lol

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I doubt it but I think you have Utah pegged correctly!

B00Mer

Libertarian

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

I doubt it but I think you have Utah pegged correctly!

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..and Texas and Arizona is in the bag without question..

The flip flop states with be Florida and Ohio..

captain morgan

Bloc Québécois

#10

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

I doubt it but I think you have Utah pegged correctly!

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Utah and 29 other states

JLM

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#11

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan

Utah and 29 other states

And about 25 of those states are equal to Calif., N.Y., Pennsylvania and Illinois combined!

Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer

..and Texas and Arizona is in the bag without question..

The flip flop states with be Florida and Ohio..

I might concede Texas in deference to what a great president Georgie Boy was and Texans are loyal people!

captain morgan

Bloc Québécois

#12

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

And about 25 of those states are equal to Calif., N.Y., Pennsylvania and Illinois combined!

Gotta a link?

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

I might concede Texas in deference to what a great president Georgie Boy was and Texans are loyal people!

A pretty broad generalization... Kind of disingenuous

JLM

No Party Affiliation

#13

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan

Gotta a link?

I spoke a little soon should have thrown in Michigan and Fla.

Colpy

Conservative

#14

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer

Toast is an under statement.. he's lucky not to be run out of office.. he will go down in history as Jimmy Carter #2.

Oh I fervently hope so....

But the US system is in such a mess, so polarized it seems no one with any real sense gets to play.

Severe cuts and slightly increased taxes are the only solution to the mess they are in.

TeddyBallgame

#15

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer

Toast is an under statement.. he's lucky not to be run out of office.. he will go down in history as Jimmy Carter #2.

- B - I must respectfully disagree. In my view, Obama has been even more disasterous to the economy, fiscal position, international stature and national unity of the US than Carter was. While he was the worst president in modern times until Obama came along, the old peanut farmer was actually less idiological than Obama, had relevant executive and military and gubernatorial experience which Obama totally lacks, did not add much to the debt let alone $6 trillion and counting and had a higher calibre of senior staff around him.

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

"Obama's team of Chicago mugs, thugs and slugs "

Still can't actually come up with anything factual, have to resort to the same tired insults. Obviously, the OP has nothing of substance to say, or they wouldn't keep resorting to pathetic insults. It's sad to see people who show some potential, writing in such a hackneyed wimpy way.

- TenPenny ... Clearly you are conveniently ignorant about the menagerie of radicals, racists, terrorists, slum landlords and other disreputable people out of Chicago, the cesspool of US politics since the days of Scarface Al Capone and the only state where the previous two governors are currently in prison, who surround Obama. If you were adequately informed about these people, you would appreciate why I make frequent reference to "Obama's team of Chicago mugs, thugs and slugs". I hope that this will be unnecessary after November 6th.

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

I spoke a little soon should have thrown in Michigan and Fla.

- JLM ... No matter what you "throw in", your orignal self-assessment of several weeks ago that you know very little about American politics is fully confirmed by your every post. Accordingly, I tend to ignore you even when you throw gratuitous and groundless insults my way because perceptive readers here will consider the source and I don't care what those who are not perceptive think (using the word think in its loosest construction)..

JLM

No Party Affiliation

#16

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by TeddyBallgame

- B - I must respectfully disagree. In my view, Obama has been even more disasterous to the economy, fiscal position, international stature and national unity of the US than Carter was. While he was the worst president in modern times until Obama came along, the old peanut farmer was actually less idiological than Obama, had relevant executive and military and gubernatorial experience which Obama totally lacks, did not add much to the debt let alone $6 trillion and counting and had a higher calibre of senior staff around him.
- TenPenny ... Clearly you are conveniently ignorant about the menagerie of radicals, racists, terrorists, slum landlords and other disreputable people out of Chicago, the cesspool of US politics since the days of Scarface Al Capone and the only state where the previous two governors are currently in prison, who surround Obama. If you were adequately informed about these people, you would appreciate why I make frequent reference to "Obama's team of Chicago mugs, thugs and slugs". I hope that this will be unnecessary after November 6th.
- JLM ... No matter what you "throw in", your orignal self-assessment of several weeks ago that you know very little about American politics is fully confirmed by your every post. Accordingly, I tend to ignore you even when you throw gratuitous and groundless insults my way because perceptive readers here will consider the source and I don't care...
Quote has been trimmed, See full post:

You obviously didn't read all my posts. But that doesn't matter Nov. 6 will tell the story.

captain morgan

Bloc Québécois

#17

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

I spoke a little soon should have thrown in Michigan and Fla.

Great, that should be evident in the link that you post then

TeddyBallgame

#18

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

Oh I fervently hope so....

But the US system is in such a mess, so polarized it seems no one with any real sense gets to play.

Severe cuts and slightly increased taxes are the only solution to the mess they are in.

- Colpy ... Have you considered the alternative which is that a reinvigorated and growing economy coupled with some phased in cuts to public sector excesses and inefficiencies and waste and the closing of some of the tax loopholes would be a more palatable and at least as effective way to deal with the massive US public debt? The best and most sustainable way to drastically increase tax revenues is to grow the economy, at least in my opinion, although this must in the long term also be coupled with the reform of public sector compensation (especially lavishly subsidized, fully indexed, defined benefits public sector pensions which have now bankrupted at least seven cities in the US with more to come) and productivity (which means tackling monopoly public sector union boondoggling style contracts and work practices).

- The problem with tax increases in an already weak economy (as Obama noted in 2010 and now is disregarding in his quest for the envious morons vote) is that it is counter-productive to growing the economy which should really be job one not only to fight the deficit but to give Americans the dignity of gainful employment once again.

JLM

No Party Affiliation

#19

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by TeddyBallgame;1661519
- JLM ... No matter what you "throw in", your orignal self-assessment of several weeks ago that[B

you know very little about American politics is fully confirmed by your every post[/B]. Accordingly, I tend to ignore you even when you throw gratuitous and groundless insults my way because perceptive readers here will consider the source and I don't care what those who are not perceptive think (using the word think in its loosest construction)..

You're right I don't know much about U.S. politics but I do know a little about human nature and enough about Romney to make a fair assessment.

captain morgan

Bloc Québécois

#20

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

You're right I don't know much about U.S. politics but I do know a little about human nature and enough about Romney to make a fair assessment.

So... No link then, eh?

JLM

No Party Affiliation

#21

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan

So... No link then, eh?

Yep, that map that was posted! Also I think it's quite foolhardy to think Romney has Ohio in the bag! For Romney to win there are a lot of "ifs" that have to work out. IF he'd have won the 2nd debate I'd start to worry, but it's clear he can't even get the basic facts straight!

TeddyBallgame

#22

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

You're right I don't know much about U.S. politics but I do know a little about human nature and enough about Romney to make a fair assessment.

- JLM ... Your posts overall suggest strongly that you know very little about either Romney or Obama other than the egregiously false and misleading characterizations which have been peddled by the Obama camp making Romney out to be a cold, heartless capitalist prick and Obama to be the second coming of Christ, Plato, Einstein and Mother Theresa. Fortunately, the Obama campaign was run just like the Obama administration and the campaign is now bankrupt so that there will be less anti-Romney and pro-Obama BS thrown around in the last weeks of the campaign.

- Are you aware that Obama knows next to nothing about Canada and has adopted several policies and an indifferent attitude that are harmful to Canadian interests?

- Are you aware that Romney knows a great deal about Canada, has spent many weeks over many summers in Canada and especially at the family cottage in Grand Bend, has done significant business here and is greatly respected by Canadian business people with whom he has done business and, has growth and trade policies that when implemented would be benficial to Canada?

- Did it not strike you as at least odd that during the GOP convention a long line up of people from all socio-economic classes came to testify to the generosity and compassion and decency and industry of Mitt Romney while not a single person from Obama's largely unknown pre-presidential history could be found to testify on his behalf (including his own relatives many of whom he has refused to give even token support to)?

- Maybe you should start by taking just a few minutes of your valuable time to view the videos I have posted here under the thread Character Counts and the one today about The Real Mitt Romney Revealed.

- Alternatively, you may choose to continue to wallow in ignorance about Romney and Obama. But you would be amzed at what you can learn if you take the mental blinders off.

captain morgan

Bloc Québécois

#23

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

Yep, that map that was posted! Also I think it's quite foolhardy to think Romney has Ohio in the bag! For Romney to win there are a lot of "ifs" that have to work out. IF he'd have won the 2nd debate I'd start to worry, but it's clear he can't even get the basic facts straight!

I just thought that you might back up your statement a bit, that's all.

JLM

No Party Affiliation

#24

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

[QUOTE=TeddyBallgame;1661546
- Are you aware that Obama knows next to nothing about Canada and has adopted several policies and an indifferent attitude that are harmful to Canadian interests?

- Are you aware that Romney knows a great deal about Canada, has spent many weeks over many summers in Canada and especially at the family cottage in Grand Bend, has done significant business here and is greatly respected by Canadian business people with whom he has done business and, has growth and trade policies that when implemented would be benficial to Canada?

- Did it not strike you as at least odd that during the GOP convention a long line up of people from all socio-economic classes came to testify to the generosity and compassion and decency and industry of Mitt Romney while not a single person from Obama's largely unknown pre-presidential history could be found to testify on his behalf (including his own relatives many of whom he has refused to give even token support to)?

- Maybe you should start by taking just a few minutes of your valuable time to view the videos I have posted here under the thread Character Counts and the one today about The Real Mitt Romney Revealed.

- Alternatively, you may choose to continue to wallow in ignorance about Romney and Obama. But you would be amzed at what you can learn if you take the mental blinders off.[/QUOTE]

Two things...............Canadians don't get to vote in U.S. elections and second I'm less dug in about Obama than you are about Romney. I don't really care who wins on election day..........politicians are politicians and another if I'm wrong it's not the end of the world. All I have to go on is how I see the two candidates and what Obama accomplished in his first term. If you are going to evaluate another man's job negatively, you should try doing it for a month yourself first.

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan

I just thought that you might back up your statement a bit, that's all.

So you are admitting the map isn't accurate!!!! Suits me.

WLDB

No Party Affiliation

#25 Top Rated Post

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

A lot of people thought the same thing of Bush in 2004. He got re-elected. Or elected rather.

I still think its a coin toss at this point. I don't think it'll make much of a difference who wins. The bases of both candidates arent particularly excited by them. They seem to mostly be voting for them because they happen to be the name next to the (D) or (R) on the ballot rather than because they actually think one of them is genuinely a good choice.

captain morgan

Bloc Québécois

#26

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

So you are admitting the map isn't accurate!!!! Suits me.

I have no clue how you could extract an admission from my statement.

TeddyBallgame

#27

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

"Obama's team of Chicago mugs, thugs and slugs "

Still can't actually come up with anything factual, have to resort to the same tired insults. Obviously, the OP has nothing of substance to say, or they wouldn't keep resorting to pathetic insults. It's sad to see people who show some potential, writing in such a hackneyed wimpy way.

- TenPenny ... Coincidentally, my reference to the Chicago gang around Obama is echoed in this column in today's Toronto Sun by Dr. Salim Mansur who is a political science professor at Western specializing in Middle East Affairs (Mansur was born in Pakistan and is a Muslim and knows whereof he speaks in terms of how Obama's apologizing, appeasing, moral relativism and general weakness has made the Middle East more dangerous than it was before his presidency). Read this slowly, using your fingers and lips, and you will then know a bit more about the gang around the president. Then, you can always write to Dr. Mansur criticizing his writing style and maybe even his content. I'm sure he'll take your criticisms with the same seriousness that I do.

MANSUR
The irony of being Obama

By Salim Mansur ,QMI Agency
First posted: Friday, October 19, 2012 08:00 PM EDT

Every four years in the U.S., it comes down to the question that the Republican candidate Ronald Reagan asked the American voters in October 1980: “Are you better off now than you were four years ago?”
During the second debate of the 2012 election cycle, Republican candidate Mitt Romney responded to a question by stating, “I can tell you that if you were to elect President Obama, you know what you’re going to get. You’re going to get a repeat of the last four years. We just can’t afford four more years like the last four years.”
And just as Reagan did in turning the 1980 campaign into a referendum on the Carter presidency, similarly Romney appears to have turned the 2012 campaign on its head and in his favour.
President Obama is not merely the first black, or coloured, president of the United States.
He is also the first affirmative action president and the poster-face — along with Bill Clinton — of children born to and reared by that segment of the boomer generation described scathingly as the most self-indulgent, or hedonistic, and amoral in the bestselling book, The Culture of Narcissism, by the late Christopher Lasch.
The question that hangs over American politics, and will be discussed in the years to come, is how could candidate Obama and the gang from Chicago who brought him to the White House in 2008 get enough Americans to vote for him?
This is a story that eventually will be told, and it will be an ugly story more revealing of the decay of American culture and society than, for instance, was the Watergate episode in American politics.
It is also the story in the larger sense that Lasch wrote about, as did Allan Bloom in his bestselling book, The Closing of the American Mind.
Enough damaging material about Obama’s past corrupt associations and left-wing Saul Alinsky politics got to be known in 2008.
Yet the mainstream media refused to investigate and properly vet Obama.
And Obama, on his part, threw every associate of his — his fiery pastor the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, his terrorist mentor Bill Ayers, his real-estate friend Tony Rezko (serving time in prison for embezzlement), and finally his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton — under the bus instead of taking responsibility for his part in relationships and situations that became matter of public concern.
The mainstream media circled Obama’s wagon, and carried him forward.
The New York Times, for instance, also known as the Pravda-on-the-Hudson, has been Obama’s ideological soulmate and cheerleader alongside NBC, CNN, ABC, MSNBC and similar media organizations.
This media bubble and the company of fawning Hollywood celebrities give Obama the sense he is above criticism and superior in intelligence to those around him, including opponents.
In being shielded by the liberal-left media, Obama has appeared glamorous. But when tested, as in the debates, he has come out looking glib and shallow.
The result might well be for Obama, as Clint Eastwood reminded his audience at the Republican convention a few weeks ago in Tampa, Fla., “and when somebody does not do the job, we got to let them go.”
This, then, is the irony of being Obama.

Liberalman

#28

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Cutting public service is popular as well as a mistake considering more people legal and illegal are coming into the country.

Privatizing the public service is another option, which would weaken government security. The Chinese would love to be in charge of some American government departments and it would save them a lot of money on spying costs.

Merging government departments, which require a longer time in transition to get back to the level of work where it is being processed in the shortest and efficient time.

There is always the consultant to take charge but at the end of the day one worries about scandals.

The American people are unpredictable where to them an American president should be severely punished for having his knob polished by an intern than an American president committing his country to a war where thousands of soldiers and civilians die.

JLM

No Party Affiliation

#29

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by WLDB

A lot of people thought the same thing of Bush in 2004. He got re-elected. Or elected rather.

I still think its a coin toss at this point. I don't think it'll make much of a difference who wins. The bases of both candidates arent particularly excited by them. They seem to mostly be voting for them because they happen to be the name next to the (D) or (R) on the ballot rather than because they actually think one of them is genuinely a good choice.

You hit the nail right on the head.

damngrumpy

No Party Affiliation

#30

Re: Is Obama Toast?

Oct 20th, 2012

Remember this is October, and the situation will change before the Nov 6Th deadline.
This is about the middle class and the press and media. There is the drama of the
whole thing and when the drama shifts the race will tighten up. People who shout
Obama is going to win are saying so with some uncertainty. Those for Romney are
a tad bit over optimistic. here is why.
Right now the undecideds are undecided and anything can trigger them. The Obama
core vote is stronger and that shows in the large state committed to him. The swing
states will follow not Obama but Clinton and if you see him going there in the last week
don't be surprised. Romney has core strength in States that can turn on a dime while
in this election the big more Liberal States are more Committed. Romney States do
include the hardcore Christian states but these are Electoral College deficient States.
I would still give Obama the lead based on that when the dust settles but in fact
neither side is safe. If the folks who want to preserve medicare show up to vote I
Believe Romney will not win and in fact the Mainstream Fiscal Conservatives may yet
look the other way and vote for.....Obama, in order to get control of their own party and
run someone like Jeb Bush next time around.

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