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ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps.

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Locutus
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#1Sep 29th, 2012
Just kidding. It was Obama and Holder.

from: Doug Ross @ Journal: ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps. Just kidding. It was Obama and Holder.



Gee, and all this time I thought Democrats hated wiretaps and warrantless surveillance. The ACLU reports:

Justice Department documents released today by the ACLU reveal that federal law enforcement agencies are increasingly monitoring Americans’ electronic communications, and doing so without warrants, sufficient oversight, or meaningful accountability.

...The reports show a dramatic increase in the use of ... surveillance tools, which are used to gather information about telephone, email, and other Internet communications. The revelations underscore the importance of regulating and overseeing the government’s surveillance power.

...During that same time period, the number of people whose telephones were the subject of pen register and trap and trace surveillance more than tripled. In fact, more people were subjected to pen register and trap and trace surveillance in the past two years than in the entire previous decade...

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Doug Ross @ Journal: ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps. Just kidding. It was Obama and Holder.
 
The Old Medic
Conservative
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Re: ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps.

Sep 29th, 2012
If this had actually been any Republican administration, the Press would be all over this like starving dogs on a pig carcass.
 
Kreskin
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Re: ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps.

Sep 29th, 2012
If you liked it you should be four times as happy.
 
taxslave
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Re: ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps.

Sep 29th, 2012
Quote: Originally Posted by The Old MedicView Post

If this had actually been any Republican administration, the Press would be all over this like starving dogs on a pig carcass.

Even when Obama does what the republicans so stronly desire he gets $hit on by the very people he is trying to please.
 
Kreskin
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Re: ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps.

Sep 29th, 2012
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Even when Obama does what the republicans so stronly desire he gets $hit on by the very people he is trying to please.

If he walked on water the would say he can't swim.
 
DaSleeper
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Re: ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps.

Sep 29th, 2012
I see the "Obamatons" are still well trained protectors....
 
Kreskin
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Re: ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps.

Sep 29th, 2012
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

I see the "Obamatons" are still well trained protectors....

Master Obama is perfect. * puts on Obama jackboots *
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
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Re: ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps.

Sep 29th, 2012
Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

If you liked it you should be four times as happy.


Interesting to note that when Bush did it, the right wingers were pleased and said this was necessary for our protection. When Obama does it, somehow, it's against the Constitution.

But just wait ~ if Romney wins in November and continues this policy the right wingers will change their minds again.
 
DaSleeper
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Re: ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps.

Sep 30th, 2012
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Interesting to note that when Bush did it, the right wingers were pleased and said this was necessary for our protection. When Obama does it, somehow, it's against the Constitution.

But just wait ~ if Romney wins in November and continues this policy the right wingers will change their minds again.

So far I haven't seen anyone in this forum dissing Obama for for the action.......

Just pointing out the irony........

And the circle the wagon mentality of the left....
 
CDNBear
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Re: ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps.

Sep 30th, 2012
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

So far I haven't seen anyone in this forum dissing Obama for for the action.......

Just pointing out the irony........

And the circle the wagon mentality of the left....

The loony left doesn't understand irony, although they are so very ironic.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
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Re: ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps.

Sep 30th, 2012
OK....so the above happened under Obama's watch. Let's assume it's
a fact. It happened.

What I find as weird is that it doesn't explain why it happened in the O.P.
or the LINK in the O.P. and nobody so far is asking why this happened.
What's the big picture behind this happening as a justification, or am I
missing the point in the left/right thing?
 
DaSleeper
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Re: ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps.

Sep 30th, 2012
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

OK....so the above happened under Obama's watch. Let's assume it's
a fact. It happened.

What I find as weird is that it doesn't explain why it happened in the O.P.
or the LINK in the O.P. and nobody so far is asking why this happened.
What's the big picture behind this happening as a justification, or am I
missing the point in the left/right thing?

What I gathered from the OP was that what was MSM news while Bush was at the helm is inconsequential now...and Obama gets a pass for what they were ready to hang Bush for....
 
SLM
No Party Affiliation
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Re: ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps.

Sep 30th, 2012
What the OP says to me is that one is just as bad as the other. Which really just translates into "No one is a winner here."

But that's my opinion. I don't trust any government or any politician.
 
Machjo
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Re: ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps.

Sep 30th, 2012
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Interesting to note that when Bush did it, the right wingers were pleased and said this was necessary for our protection. When Obama does it, somehow, it's against the Constitution.

But just wait ~ if Romney wins in November and continues this policy the right wingers will change their minds again.

You're overgeneralizing. Some right-wingers are probably simply pointing out the hypocricy of some on the left. Some right-wingers support thhis, others don't. Obviously it's the same with the right.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
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Re: ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps.

Sep 30th, 2012
OK......why where "more people were subjected to pen register and trap and trace surveillance in the past two years than in the entire previous decade..." ????

In the OP, the fact that it happened is covered, but why it happened isn't,
and nobody seems to have asked the question. That's still what I find
weird.
 
Machjo
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Re: ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps.

Sep 30th, 2012
Good point Ron. Maybe there was mure suspicious activity more recently to possibly warrant it... maybe. Though for me espionage is not an area I respect very much. Police investigations, yes, but outright espionage?
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
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Re: ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps.

Sep 30th, 2012
Here we fall into the "maybe" zone though....without any background, which
would either justify or condem the actions in the O.P. and that's skipped over.

It's like telling a story and starting with, "It was a dark and stormy night and..."
and then walking away.
 
CDNBear
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Re: ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps.

Sep 30th, 2012
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

In the OP, the fact that it happened is covered, but why it happened isn't,
and nobody seems to have asked the question. That's still what I find
weird.

Here's something I think might pertain a little as to why...

Obama Campaign Launches ‘Truth Teams’ | TheBlaze.com
 
PoliticalNick
Free Thinker
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Re: ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps.

Sep 30th, 2012
Warrantless wiretaps and surveillance was unconstitutional when Bush did it and it's unconstitutional when Obama does it. There is no grey areas here.
 
Highball
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Re: ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps.

Sep 30th, 2012
In my opinion everyone associated from any of the three Bush administrations should be indicted to appear in front of the World Court to be tried for "Crimes against Humanity!" All we money grabbers and did questionable practices daily. Bush Jr, Cheney, Rumsfeld and and Ashforth should be given Life sentences too. The fiscal crisis of 2007-08 was setup by that crew and overseen by retire Goldman -Sachs CEO Paulson who later went back after the swindle was pulled off with out a hitch. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and Maxine Waters should be in cells in the Haague too. Bernanake should be looked at hard too. This was the culmination of a long term well scripted conspiracy by many wealthy Americans all of whom profitted handsomely.
 
CDNBear
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Re: ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps.

Sep 30th, 2012
Quote: Originally Posted by HighballView Post

The fiscal crisis of 2007-08 was setup by that crew...

But it could not have happened without Clinton's policies, and policy changes.

Was he in on it too?
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
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Re: ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps.

Sep 30th, 2012
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

So far I haven't seen anyone in this forum dissing Obama for for the action.......

Just pointing out the irony........

And the circle the wagon mentality of the left....



You will note that I said "right wingers" but did not restrict that observation to just right wingers on this forum.

I suppose that I could go back in Search to find posts where right wingers praised Bush for his "Patriot" [sic] Act and where they criticized Obama for extending it. There's a very real possibility that I'll find at least a couple of those but it's not worth the time.

As for irony, nothing equals the right wing lunacy in condemning welfare for the poor while applauding welfare for the rich but that's a different story.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

OK....so the above happened under Obama's watch. Let's assume it's
a fact. It happened.

What I find as weird is that it doesn't explain why it happened in the O.P.
or the LINK in the O.P. and nobody so far is asking why this happened.
What's the big picture behind this happening as a justification, or am I
missing the point in the left/right thing?


Part of the government surveillance is Obama's quest to rid the country of illegal aliens - a step Bush failed to take. This is something the right wingers have failed to credit Obama for doing.
 
Kreskin
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Re: ACLU: Bush administration quadrupled warrantless wiretaps.

Sep 30th, 2012
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

OK......why where "more people were subjected to pen register and trap and trace surveillance in the past two years than in the entire previous decade..." ????

In the OP, the fact that it happened is covered, but why it happened isn't,
and nobody seems to have asked the question. That's still what I find
weird.

Politics aren't about important details Ron. Get with the program.
 

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