Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

B00Mer

Libertarian

#1Sep 6th, 2012

Are You Better Off? HELL YA! Lehman failed, AIG collapsed, GM was dead, DJIA was at 7,500, 800,000 jobs lost A MONTH and War was raging in Iraq? You tell me. GM, Chrysler, DADT, equal pay for women, Pell grants, Credit reform, (Dodd/Frank) college loan reform and Obamacare!

You BET we are better off. Just watch the clip.

President Bushs speech on the financial crisis 92408 1 - YouTube

Just say'in...

tay

-1

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 7th, 2012

If you heard the President Obama's speech last night and said to yourself, "We have to make sure people can't vote," you might be a Republican.

EagleSmack

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 7th, 2012

Oh taaaay

Ark. lawmaker pleads guilty to election charge - SFGate

B00Mer

Libertarian

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 7th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by tay

If you heard the President Obama's speech last night and said to yourself, "We have to make sure people can't vote," you might be a Republican.

Democrats did the same in black neighborhoods.. wasn't it on Youtube, the Black Panthers intimidating voters to vote for Obama and threatening a race war if he loses??

The Old Medic

Conservative

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 7th, 2012

Want to bet that many more Americans will say they are worse off than they were in 2008? Obama will go down as another Jimmy Carter.

EagleSmack

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 7th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer

Democrats did the same in black neighborhoods.. wasn't it on Youtube, the Black Panthers intimidating voters to vote for Obama and threatening a race war if he loses??

A few years back in my liberal state of Massachusetts the Democrat Speaker of the House plead guilty to trying to gerrymander African-American neighborhoods so his white liberal Democrat buddy could keep his seat.

Tom Finneran was his name.

Mowich

Conservative

+1 / -1

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 7th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by The Old Medic

Want to bet that many more Americans will say they are worse off than they were in 2008? Obama will go down as another Jimmy Carter.

The American economy is slowly turning the corner as evidenced by the latest job statistics announced today. As President Obama stated last night, they still have a long way to go but the nation is starting to recover. America like Canada does not exist in a vacuum and both our economies are influenced by the enormous debt load of other nations overseas.

Many Americans may very well say they are worse off than they were in 2008 though if they were forced to face the truth, their financial difficulties can be laid squarely at the feet of Republicans. Republicans who got them into this mess in the first place by not placing restrictions on banking policies. Republicans who refused to work with the President and Democrats on any initiatives that did not include tax breaks for the rich and the ultra rich. Republicans who held Congress hostage resulting in the downgrading of their countries AAA status. Republicans who voted against the auto industry bail-outs only to see those companies come back stronger, building better cars and saving thousands of middle class jobs.

America is such a great country that to see her mired in the hatred and divisiveness evident in this election campaign is truly heart-breaking. Whether the President has the ability to breach this divide is a question only to be answered once the last ballot is counted in November. One thing is dead certain, the America envisioned by the Democrats is an America that includes everyone. The America envisioned by the Republicans excludes the children of illegal immigrants, excludes gays in the military but champions companies who ship jobs overseas.

When President Obama spoke about the choice never being clearer he was dead right. The America that emerges from this election will either be an America that cares about all of its citizens or an America that will continue down the road that Eisenhower warned of wherein the military industrial complex reigns supreme. Gaia Bless America and give her the strength to make the right choice.

TeddyBallgame

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 7th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich

The American economy is slowly turning the corner as evidenced by the latest job statistics announced today. As President Obama stated last night, they still have a long way to go but the nation is starting to recover. America like Canada does not exist in a vacuum and both our economies are influenced by the enormous debt load of other nations overseas.

- Mowich ... Don't ever change, you're hilarious!

The job data announced today revealed that 368,000 more Americans gave up looking for work to bring the labour participation rate down to just 63.5% which is the lowest since 1981. This .2% reduction in the labour force is the only reason unemployment went down .2% to 8.1% and the real unemployment rate declined by .3% to 14.7%. A shockingly low 96,000 net jobs were created in August while the prediction was at least 120,000, the hope was 200,000 and the need if the economy was to actually grow and support new job seekers was over 300,000. Only an idiot or someone so brainwashed that he parrots the Democratic line at all times will claim the data today shows the US economy turning the corner.

As to the comparison with Canada, that is another laugher on your part because Canada under the focused, disciplined, expert leadership of a conservative economist rather than a left wing management trainee like Obama is actually doing much better than the US on every significant economic indicator. So your argument actually supports those like myself who believe the US will do better under the leadership of a conservative person who understands business.

Keep making us laugh Mowich.

EagleSmack

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 7th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich

When President Obama spoke about the choice never being clearer he was dead right. The America that emerges from this election will either be an America that cares about all of its citizens or an America that will continue down the road that Eisenhower warned of wherein the military industrial complex reigns supreme. Gaia Bless America and give her the strength to make the right choice.

FEAR

Who's Gaia?

Tonington

#10

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 7th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by TeddyBallgame

As to the comparison with Canada, that is another laugher on your part because Canada under the focused, disciplined, expert leadership of a conservative economist rather than a left wing management trainee like Obama is actually doing much better than the US on every significant economic indicator. So your argument actually supports those like myself who believe the US will do better under the leadership of a conservative person who understands business.

Keep making us laugh Mowich.

You don't know a great deal about the Canadian economy do you? Our economy is far more regulated than the American economy, many regulations which predate Harper's stewardship. In fact we're far more regulated than even Obama's attempt at financial regulation. Our economy and it's relative stability through the financial meltdown should have been a clear message that you don't need risky financial transactions to grow an economy. In fact it's clear that the riskier regulatory environment in countries like the US is more harmful, and has wide reaching consequences across international borders.

Niflmir

Free Thinker

#11 Top Rated Post

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 7th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by TeddyBallgame

As to the comparison with Canada, that is another laugher on your part because Canada under the focused, disciplined, expert leadership of a conservative economist rather than a left wing management trainee like Obama is actually doing much better than the US on every significant economic indicator. So your argument actually supports those like myself who believe the US will do better under the leadership of a conservative person who understands business.

Over here in the Netherlands where employers need reasons to fire employees, health care is subsidized by government, gun control is strict, soft drugs are tolerated, prostitution is legal and taxed, one of the country's largest bank is government owned, and normal tax rate is 42% of income there are thriving small businesses, unemployment is 6.5% and youth unemployment is about 7.4%.

Oh, these socialist politics are destroying this country! The point being: Obama is further right than the current centre right government here.

EagleSmack

#12

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 7th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Niflmir

Over here in the Netherlands where employers need reasons to fire employees, health care is subsidized by government, gun control is strict, soft drugs are tolerated, prostitution is legal and taxed, one of the country's largest bank is government owned, and normal tax rate is 42% of income there are thriving small businesses, unemployment is 6.5% and youth unemployment is about 7.4%.

Oh, these socialist politics are destroying this country! The point being: Obama is further right than the current centre right government here.

Outside of the legalized prostitution I bet he would want every bit of what the Netherlands have if he could.

Niflmir

Free Thinker

#13

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 7th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack

Outside of the legalized prostitution I bet he would want every bit of what the Netherlands have if he could.

Well, of all the models of healthcare he could have chosen... he really should not have gone for the Netherlands model. I imagine that is because it is the most capitalist of the universal health care models, making it slightly palatable to the opposition.

Also, why no prostitution for Obama?

TeddyBallgame

#14

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 7th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington

You don't know a great deal about the Canadian economy do you? Our economy is far more regulated than the American economy, many regulations which predate Harper's stewardship. In fact we're far more regulated than even Obama's attempt at financial regulation. Our economy and it's relative stability through the financial meltdown should have been a clear message that you don't need risky financial transactions to grow an economy. In fact it's clear that the riskier regulatory environment in countries like the US is more harmful, and has wide reaching consequences across international borders.

- Ton ... Actually, I know a great deal about the Canadian economy and I also know a great deal abour leadership. You are right about some of the differences between the Canadian and the US economies. But you seem to have the view that any ******* even one with no experience at running anything except his mouth and with nothing of any significance in his background can instantly ascend to the most difficult and complex executive job in the world whereas I contend that relevant experience and knowledge and accomplishments are necessary in order to hit the ground running and be effective as the POTUS. In this specific example, I can give you chapter and verse as to how Harper with his economic expertise made different decisions than your lefty hero Obama and how they were the appropriate decisions. But since you apparently have the bizarre opinion that it doesn't matter who runs the country and since you apparently will pick the lefty no matter how utterly unqualified 101 times out of 100, I shall not waste my time in this regard.

Tonington

#15

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 7th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by TeddyBallgame

- Ton ... Actually, I know a great deal about the Canadian economy

Really? So you think our economy outperforms the US on every significant economic indicator? That's just not true.
Here's one, labour productivity:
Canada Second Quarter Labor Productivity Report (Text) - Bloomberg

Quote:

But you seem to have the view that any ******* even one with no experience at running anything except his mouth and with nothing of any significance in his background can instantly ascend to the most difficult and complex executive job in the world whereas I contend that relevant experience and knowledge and accomplishments are necessary in order to hit the ground running and be effective as the POTUS.

What tea leaves are you reading into? I've noticed you have a very bad habit of putting words in other posters' mouths, so to speak.

Quote:

In this specific example, I can give you chapter and verse as to how Harper with his economic expertise made different decisions than your lefty hero Obama and how they were the appropriate decisions.

Is it possible for you to discuss a single thing without partisan wrangling? Harper and Obama both spent significant amounts of money on stimulus. Not different decisions. Both gave money to auto manufacturers. Not different decisions. They made a deal on border security, to increase trade.

Your chapter and verse must be from the same partisan playbook you read from when addressing any poster on this forum that shows even a hint of disagreement with you. Label them the enemy, others, etc....there's a long list of reprehensible people who have used that same playbook.

Quote:

But since you apparently have the bizarre opinion that it doesn't matter who runs the country and since you apparently will pick the lefty no matter how utterly unqualified 101 times out of 100, I shall not waste my time in this regard.

How long have you been here? You don't know what you're talking about, especially when you comment on intentions of the poster that you can't possibly know.

damngrumpy

No Party Affiliation

#16

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 7th, 2012

I listened to the speeches of both leaders and saw the path both parties followed
and if I were voting I would support Obama no question about it. Romney and
his group are thinking about today and tomorrow and Obama is thinking about the
future. No the promises don't get done in four years they are goals and when the
progressive agenda begins it moves along one frame at a time.
The Obama vision is far better than the Romney one, especially on mdicare Yes
medicare is more expensive but it will eventually include everyone because it will
improve with time. Romney will give you a voucher and the coverage won't keep up
with cost. Even worse it will leave the managed health care companies in charge.
Medicare is a right simple as that.

gopher

No Party Affiliation

#17

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 7th, 2012

I'm FAR better off.

Four more years!

tay

#18

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 8th, 2012

With the Dow Jones doubled since 2008, the reason is simple.

Romney won't release his tax returns because THEY'LL SHOW HE'S BETTER OFF TODAY THAN HE WAS FOUR YEARS AGO!

taxslave

No Party Affiliation

#19

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 8th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington

You don't know a great deal about the Canadian economy do you? Our economy is far more regulated than the American economy, many regulations which predate Harper's stewardship. In fact we're far more regulated than even Obama's attempt at financial regulation. Our economy and it's relative stability through the financial meltdown should have been a clear message that you don't need risky financial transactions to grow an economy. In fact it's clear that the riskier regulatory environment in countries like the US is more harmful, and has wide reaching consequences across international borders.

Yea but teddy is just a shill for the republicans.
My bet is that he has a significant position in war goods manufacturing. Or just not very bright.

Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack

Outside of the legalized prostitution I bet he would want every bit of what the Netherlands have if he could.

Except the 42% tax. I'm asuming that is just the federal income tax and all other taxes and fees are over and above that. WHich means that like Canada well ove 50% of your hard earned dollars are spent for you by someone else that KNOWS what is best for you. and them.

Quote: Originally Posted by TeddyBallgame

- Ton ... Actually, I know a great deal about the Canadian economy and I also know a great deal abour leadership. You are right about some of the differences between the Canadian and the US economies. But you seem to have the view that any ******* even one with no experience at running anything except his mouth and with nothing of any significance in his background can instantly ascend to the most difficult and complex executive job in the world whereas I contend that relevant experience and knowledge and accomplishments are necessary in order to hit the ground running and be effective as the POTUS. In this specific example, I can give you chapter and verse as to how Harper with his economic expertise made different decisions than your lefty hero Obama and how they were the appropriate decisions. But since you apparently have the bizarre opinion that it doesn't matter who runs the country and since you apparently will pick the lefty no matter how utterly unqualified 101 times out of 100, I shall not waste my time in this regard.

So you are admitting that electing ronny ray gun and junior bush were both mistakes as well as disasters?
BTW in Canada most would consider Obama right of Harper.

Walter

#20

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 8th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Niflmir

Over here in the Netherlands where employers need reasons to fire employees, health care is subsidized by government, gun control is strict, soft drugs are tolerated, prostitution is legal and taxed, one of the country's largest bank is government owned, and normal tax rate is 42% of income there are thriving small businesses, unemployment is 6.5% and youth unemployment is about 7.4%.

Oh, these socialist politics are destroying this country! The point being: Obama is further right than the current centre right government here.

Oh, the freedom. Think of all the things the Dutch(do we call the Netherlanders Dutch?) have done for us and how they protect our way of life.

Quote: Originally Posted by TeddyBallgame

- Ton ... Actually, I know a great deal about the Canadian economy and I also know a great deal abour leadership. You are right about some of the differences between the Canadian and the US economies. But you seem to have the view that any ******* even one with no experience at running anything except his mouth and with nothing of any significance in his background can instantly ascend to the most difficult and complex executive job in the world whereas I contend that relevant experience and knowledge and accomplishments are necessary in order to hit the ground running and be effective as the POTUS. In this specific example, I can give you chapter and verse as to how Harper with his economic expertise made different decisions than your lefty hero Obama and how they were the appropriate decisions. But since you apparently have the bizarre opinion that it doesn't matter who runs the country and since you apparently will pick the lefty no matter how utterly unqualified 101 times out of 100, I shall not waste my time in this regard.

Well said.

gopher

No Party Affiliation

#21

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 8th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by tay

With the Dow Jones doubled since 2008, the reason is simple.

Romney won't release his tax returns because THEY'LL SHOW HE'S BETTER OFF TODAY THAN HE WAS FOUR YEARS AGO!

Gee, I hadn't thought of that and it makes perfect sense!

WLDB

No Party Affiliation

#22

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 9th, 2012

Im better off but I dont think the US government had much to do with it.

Walter

#23

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 9th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by tay

With the Dow Jones doubled since 2008, the reason is simple.

Romney won't release his tax returns because THEY'LL SHOW HE'S BETTER OFF TODAY THAN HE WAS FOUR YEARS AGO!

How are his tax retuns going to help the many millions of US citizens who have lost their jobs or dropped out of the work force since the Bamster came to power?

Kreskin

#24

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 9th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Walter

How are his tax retuns going to help the many millions of US citizens who have lost their jobs or dropped out of the work force since the Bamster came to power?

Losing jobs didn't start with Obama. He inherited an economy that was in freefall. If you are truly a conservative you know full well that it's impossible to create many jobs over a few years when a housing market has gone through an epic burst.

It doesn't take a genius to see the implications if in fact Romney is better off now than he was four years ago.

Walter

#25

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 9th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin

Losing jobs didn't start with Obama. He inherited an economy that was in freefall. If you are truly a conservative you know full well that it's impossible to create many jobs over a few years when a housing market has gone through an epic burst.

It doesn't take a genius to see the implications if in fact Romney is better off now than he was four years ago.

Still didn't say how his tax-returns are going to help the citizens of the US.

Locutus

#26

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 9th, 2012

As Noel remarked:

I don't mind this kind of thing, but wish Flynt would be fair and balanced by also offering a $1 million reward for Barack Obama's college transcripts and visa records.

SLM

No Party Affiliation

#27

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 9th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Locutus

As Noel remarked:

I don't mind this kind of thing, but wish Flynt would be fair and balanced by also offering a $1 million reward for Barack Obama's college transcripts and visa records.

Read more: Pornographer Larry Flynt Offers $1 Million For Romney's Tax Returns | NewsBusters.org

LOL. Since when was Larry Flynt balanced???

gopher

No Party Affiliation

#28

Re: Before the US election: Are You Better Off?

Sep 9th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin

Losing jobs didn't start with Obama. He inherited an economy that was in freefall. If you are truly a conservative you know full well that it's impossible to create many jobs over a few years when a housing market has gone through an epic burst.

It doesn't take a genius to see the implications if in fact Romney is better off now than he was four years ago.

Republicans in Congress with a handful of right wing Dems have obstructed the Obama jobs bill. Therefore, the right wing has no business complaining about the lack of job creation.

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