Obama following Harper down the path to food illness

Tonington

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In 2008, the Harper Conservatives were able to pass changes to our food safety system that reduced the funding to the Canadian Food Inspection Agency, ultimately resulting in fewer inspectors employed, and fewer inspections of food manufacturing premises. In place of regulators, food manufacturing companies would be allowed to fill the void with self-inspection. What followed should be obvious, unsafe practices went unnoticed, and eventually there was an outbreak which made national headlines, when a Listeriosis outbreak was traced to a Maple Leaf Foods plant which ultimately killed 23 people.

These cuts are no different than in other industries. With less oversight, the risk of harm and unsafe practices is elevated. Pharmaceuticals get lax with quality control, and mislabel medications. Food manufacturers get lax with quality control, and contamination of food occurs.

Eventually the outcry lead to a backtrack from Harper's cabinet, and they increased funding again. However, that funding has a sunrise and sunset. By 2013-14, the funding will expire and again we will be left with fewer inspectors to ensure rigorous food safety programs are doing what they are intended to do; minimize the risk of food borne illness. Additionally, with the austerity measures Harper's government is forcing, we can expect further cuts to CFIA generally, which in the end will mean elevated risk.

Now, Obama's administration is pursuing a similar path. The plan being put forth right now is to allow poultry producers to assume some of the mandated food inspection duties currently handled by the US Department of Agriculture. The pilot program the changes are based on, called HIMP (HACCP based Inspection Models Project), is estimated by the USDA to save them $100 million annually in the USDA budget, while offering $520 million in savings over the next 3 years to poultry producers once implemented amongst all producers. The aim of the HIMP program was to provide more efficiency, and to reduce defects. What has happened however, is that the error rate amongst the participating companies is staggeringly high. Access to information requests have revealed that amongst chicken slaughter facilities, the error rate for catching defects is 64%, and in turkey slaughter facilities the error rate is even higher, at 87%.

These defect categories are not simply discolored meat, they include things like fecal contamination, visceral contamination, and infectious material. Out of 229 facilities, 208 had non-compliance records for fecal contamination, an error rate of 90%.

The USDA actually estimates that implementation of this pilot program will lead to a reduction of over 5000 poultry related food illnesses per year. How they can come up with a number like that, is astonishing really.

The US is slated to follow Canada down the road to increased food borne illnesses.

One last point, call it food for thought, err bad pun. A Georgetown University analysis pegged the number of US food borne illnesses at 128 000 per year, resulting in 3000 deaths, and a total cost to consumers of $152 Billion a year.

Where is the logic here? Maybe campaign donors? Cynical much, nahhhhhhhh.

Food and Water Watch analysis of the FOIA documents:
Privatized Poultry Inspection: USDA

Georgetown University Produce Safety Project:
http://www.producesafetyproject.org...ated-Foodborne-Illness-Costs-Report.pdf-1.pdf
 

Cliffy

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The food industry is regulated to death. Other than food safety practices and inspections, the government has no business in our kitchens. If I want to drink whole, unpasteurized milk, or eat organic beef, pork or chicken or farm fresh eggs that is my business.
 

Tonington

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The food industry is regulated to death.

To death? Hardly. Letting them police themselves is not regulated to death. The results of unregulated food...lead to sickness and death, and massive costs to the healthcare system.

Other than food safety practices and inspections, the government has no business in our kitchens.

Food safety practices and inspections are the subject of the thread Cliffy...feel free to start your own thread about unpasteurized milk and organic produce.
 

Cliffy

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To death? Hardly. Letting them police themselves is not regulated to death. The results of unregulated food...lead to sickness and death, and massive costs to the healthcare system.
I can see some regulations for processed food. Most of that stuff is crap anyway and people who consume large amounts of processed food need education more than regulation. As for raw farm products like meat and such, they are regulated by government unnecessarily. There is no reason why all must be pasteurized or all meat butchered in abattoirs that are government inspected. I know people who sell fresh, whole, unpasteurized goat milk, cheese and fresh chicken eggs as pet food to get around this stupidity.

Food safety practices and inspections are the subject of the thread Cliffy...feel free to start your own thread about unpasteurized milk and organic produce.
And how is this not part of the topic?
 

Tonington

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I can see some regulations for processed food.

Most food is processed...it's not just the stuff with preservatives and comes in microwaveable packages that are processed. Buying chicken in the store or at the farm market in most cases will be processed in some fashion. Unless you're buying a live bird in a market.

There is no reason why all must be pasteurized or all meat butchered in abattoirs that are government inspected.

So now you are saying there shouldn't be inspections and safe practices. Which Cliffy are I talking with right now?

And how is this not part of the topic?

If you want to drink whole milk, that's not quite the same thing as someone who owns a business selling whole milk. Eating an apple is not the same thing as growing fruit. :lol:
 

damngrumpy

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The idea that you have a food safety system is little more than a myth actually. CFIA does
not inspect every shipment of food from outside the country for example. Much of the import
foods are not subject to the same tough restrictions our domestic product is.
CFIA will look for foreign pests coming in but once they are here they have nothing more to do
with the situation the farm community is on their own once that happens.
In addition food safety is more about chain store promotion and public relations than anything
else. Here is an apple illustration. The co-ops and packing houses are subjected to inspections
and all kinds of red tape. The same stores then deal with "Orchard Run" fruit and this stuff God
knows where it came from and its not always inspected but its cheap. What consumers do not
know is, Orchard Run fruit is often Culls yes Culls and they get upwards of 90 cents a pound
for it.
CFIA has a useful role to play but they never play it. I am seriously frustrated with these people.
We need them yes but we need them to do their bloody job and that does not always happen.
 

Tonington

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CFIA has a useful role to play but they never play it. I am seriously frustrated with these people.
We need them yes but we need them to do their bloody job and that does not always happen.

Surely, you can't expect them to do top-notch work when their budget is being squeezed, and inspections can't be fulfilled.
 

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Massive beef recall expanded as company prepares to call it quits
A month-old recall of beef products that might contain E. coli from a company that has gone into receivership and stopped operations was expanded to include two additional products on Saturday.

The Canadian Food Inspection Agency said Ground Beef — Fresh in 9.07-kilogram packages are now part of the health alert. The federal agency said the fresh product initially was made for Five Guys Enterprises, which runs the Five Guys Burgers and Fries chain of restaurants. It added that frozen versions of this product also were sold.

“Five Guys has not been sourcing beef from New Foods Classic since they shut their plants down,” Molly Catalano, a spokeswoman for the restaurant chain, said in an email to Postmedia News. “We have not had any of NFC product in our restaurants for over two weeks. We also have not had any reported illnesses.”

E. coli beef recall list grows - Saskatchewan - CBC News
This is the same strain that killed seven people in Walkerton, Ont., in 2000 and sickened hundreds of others in the quiet town who drank water from the contaminated public water supply.

There has been at least one reported illness associated with the consumption of these beef products, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency has said.

The ground beef that was sold to Five Guys Enterprises was prepared at the Saskatoon plant, while the Country Fried product was manufactured at the St. Catharines facility using beef from the Saskatoon plant, according to the agency.

New Food Classics went out of business last month, about a week after the agency began investigating a possible E. coli contamination case.
 

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If it has anything to do with science ,steve wants no part of it,look what they did to the dept of fisheries in the maritimes. Double whammy there,science and east of Manitoba.
 

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If it has anything to do with science ,steve wants no part of it,look what they did to the dept of fisheries in the maritimes. Double whammy there,science and east of Manitoba.
DFO had serious problems long before Stevie was even involved in politics so you can't blame him for that one. We had DFO ships that did not have enough fuel budget to police the salmon openings 10 years ago. Fully crewed but no fuel. And thousands of bureaucraps in Ottawa.
 

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Most food is processed...it's not just the stuff with preservatives and comes in microwaveable packages that are processed. Buying chicken in the store or at the farm market in most cases will be processed in some fashion. Unless you're buying a live bird in a market.
Actually the odds are that the processing started long before the chicken died.

RE: your 1st post;
I wonder if DUHbama ever watched "Food, Inc." He seems to be enabling the more nefarious practises of outfits like Monsanto by cutting funding in this manner. Same for Harpy.

As far as the DFO goes, they've been taken to court and have lost in court more times than you can count and is a prime example of being one of the most useless wastes of tax bucks ever.
 
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Liberalman

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Could inspections not be contracted out to a third party and producers footing the bill so as to save taxpayers the cost?

That is a great idea then the producers can pay the third party contractors to look the other way and the taxpayers will save a lot of money as they drop like flies thank God for government heathcare.
 

damngrumpy

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The CFIA never did do their job even when they had all kinds of people.
The truth is the agency only inspected minimum amounts of food coming
in from the beginning. I have no faith in those people at all. Both the
agencies the CFIA and the PMRA are both money pits in there present
form.
We do have a slightly better system than America though, but some other
countries do a pretty good job that don't get enough credit for their efforts.
Mexico, because they had problems a few years back are doing a good job.
One of the best in the world now is Chile these people are on top of both
imports and exports and should be recognized.
As a farmer, and someone who was involved in the politics of farming I saw
crap go on all the time and believe me the CFIA has a long way to go to be
useful as an agency.
They don't do their job period not even the domestic job. I am willing to be
most people don't know its the job of this agency to make sure supermarkets
don't shaft you by putting foreign fruit in with Canadian for example.
PMRA same thing, I was at one time on the Minor Use committee of that
agency, Do to overlap and other problems the cost for Canadian farmers
is way more than the Americans for the same product. Regulation and
duplication accounts for huge cost differences. For example a bottle of
Success pesticide one litre in America around a hundred dollars in Canada
try nearly six hundred dollars. Please don't get me started. These two
agencies need to be cleaned up.
 

Bar Sinister

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The food industry is regulated to death. Other than food safety practices and inspections, the government has no business in our kitchens. If I want to drink whole, unpasteurized milk, or eat organic beef, pork or chicken or farm fresh eggs that is my business.

A bit of a contradiction there, Cliffy. Making sure milk and other agricultural are safe for consumers in part of the mandate of any food inspection agency. It is one of the reasons why you are far more likely to get sick in countries like India and China that do not have these safeguards in place.

Could inspections not be contracted out to a third party and producers footing the bill so as to save taxpayers the cost?

I hardly see how this would save taxpayers anything. Would not the producers simply pass of the cost of inspections to the consumer, provided of course, that self-regulation of the food industry would actually work? Historically, food processors have a rather dubious record when it comes to making sure that the consumer is properly protected against food that is adulterated, tainted, or both. In fact if you go back far enough you will find that it was H.J. Heinz in the late 19th Century who advocated strongly for government regulation of the food industry in order to encourage consumers to buy products from the large food processing plants that were becoming more and more common in the US food marketplace.
 

damngrumpy

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The problem is the government needs to be there if there is a recall or serious situation
that crops up. The reason it damages our exports if not regulated at a government level.
And as for the industries self regulating that is a joke that is why you have the CFIA in the
first place. If it were self regulation the motto shoot shovel and shut up would be the order
of the day. Nope we need them I just want it to work better and be more tightly regulated
not less.
CFIA also watches out for the stuff coming in and does at times find problems. These might
include pesticides not used here and illegal product. They also find invasive species of bugs
that can cause serious damage to crops with nothing to control them. We have had a few in
the past few years, clear wing moth that destroys trees and soft wing drosophila that destroys
soft fruit, a million pounds of cherries last year alone.
The vast food complex is not the farm products folks in the industrialized food and distribution
industry and it doesn't give a damn about your heath or anybody Else's. All this grocery food
safety is about public relations not food safety and we need a government presence to
ensure they play by the rules.