#1Dec 5th, 2011
Muppet Propoganda
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#3Re: Muppet Propoganda
Dec 5th, 2011
Nothing says "anti-corporate agenda" than a major Hollywood blockbuster financed by some of the most profitable corporations in the US.
They should be going after the Smurfs for being Communists. Papa Smurf looks a lot like Stalin.
They should be going after the Smurfs for being Communists. Papa Smurf looks a lot like Stalin.
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#4Re: Muppet Propoganda
Dec 5th, 2011
The amazing thing is not that Faux thinks Disney is so left wing, it's that so many people think these morons at Faux are credible.
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#5Re: Muppet Propoganda
Dec 5th, 2011
Perhaps the next Muppet movie should go after the religious right and their brainwashing of kids with their hateful nonsense.
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Dec 5th, 2011
Anytime FOX comes out with any position it just reinforces my feelings that the Murdock's should all be in front of a real Judge facing some real charges backed up by some real evidence. But their organ isn't the only one at work in the US. Look a US News and World Report, Time and other media.
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Dec 5th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Highball
I think I know which organ you are talking about.Anytime FOX comes out with any position it just reinforces my feelings that the Murdock's should all be in front of a real Judge facing some real charges backed up by some real evidence. But their organ isn't the only one at work in the US. Look a US News and World Report, Time and other media.
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Dec 5th, 2011
When the message goes over your head, blame the messenger.
Did anybody even watch the video?
If you're smart enough to filter out the spin, there is a reasonable message in there about the messages sent to kids via films marketed specifically towards them.
Did anybody even watch the video?
If you're smart enough to filter out the spin, there is a reasonable message in there about the messages sent to kids via films marketed specifically towards them.
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Dec 5th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear
Absolutely! When the largest media conglomerate in the world sends a message to kids, obviously it would be how big corporations are bad. Is it really any wonder why you are just so damn entertaining? Talk about over ones head.If you're smart enough to filter out the spin, there is a reasonable message in there about the messages sent to kids via films marketed specifically towards them.
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#10Re: Muppet Propoganda
Dec 5th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck
Speaking of over ones head...Absolutely! When the largest media conglomerate in the world sends a message to kids, obviously it would be how big corporations are bad. Is it really any wonder why you are just so damn entertaining? Talk about over ones head.
Maybe you can point out where I specifically mentioned the Muppet movie in my post?
This should prove to be entertaining.
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Dec 5th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear
Speaking of over ones head...
Maybe you can point out where I specifically mentioned the Muppet movie in my post?
This should prove to be entertaining.
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#12Re: Muppet Propoganda
Dec 5th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck
I was right, entertaining.I'd love it if the hypocrites made it more difficult for me to point them out.
Thanks for illuminating the fact that it was well over your head cannuck.
Last edited by CDNBear; Dec 5th, 2011 at 05:00 PM..
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#14Re: Muppet Propoganda
Dec 5th, 2011
Well, I just watched the video (man I hate it when grown adults argue like children, this is why I don't watch television news). But have to say, rhetoric aside, they are correct. I'm not a fan of major corporations either, but there is definitely an ideology at play here. Has been for years, whether the evil villan is the big polluter or the big oil company. It's about the evil of greed, which in and of itself is not a bad moral lesson to be sending to children. But the way they portray it is with a very adult ideology.
Whether I agree or disagree with how it's being presented and what's being presented, there's no denying the bias is definitely there.
Whether I agree or disagree with how it's being presented and what's being presented, there's no denying the bias is definitely there.
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#15Re: Muppet Propoganda
Dec 5th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by SLM
Definition of a forum???(man I hate it when grown adults argue like children,.
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#16Re: Muppet Propoganda
Dec 5th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper
Good point, for some yeah, lol.Definition of a forum???
Not as hard on the ears though.
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#17Re: Muppet Propoganda
Dec 5th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by #juan
I think propaganda is a tad harsh a word for it.Propoganda????
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If it's benign. But between movies and the far more aggressive and less benign, cartoons and youth shows, there are many messages that really shouldn't be meant to target children.It's about the evil of greed, which in and of itself is not a bad moral lesson to be sending to children.
From body image to consumerism, these messages are troublesome. Sadly with the TV being a parent to far to many kids, there isn't anyone to temper or filter.
This is why, for good or bad, we just banned certain cartoons, and avoided certain movies, with content we believed sent our kids the wrong message.
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#18 Top Rated PostRe: Muppet Propoganda
Dec 5th, 2011
When the majority of parents use TV and movies to babysit their kids, it is no wonder that they are used to promote whatever the corporate sponsors deem is of benefit to them. Bear, you are a rare breed of parent for filtering out stuff you feel is inappropriate. Too bad there is not a lot more like you.
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#19Re: Muppet Propoganda
Dec 5th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear
I agree, propaganda is the spin of one side of the ideological debate. Excess greed being solely the purview of the corporation is the spin of the other side.I think propaganda is a tad harsh a word for it.
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Right, if it's benign. For the most part I think it's the sheer volume that takes it to a level where it cannot be considered benign. There are messages, messages, messages everywhere and our kids are bombarded with them. I'd lump targeted children advertising directly in with the movies and cartoons. Everybody wants a piece of our kids, hell everyone wants a piece of us. If it's benign. But between movies and the far more aggressive and less benign, cartoons and youth shows, there are many messages that really shouldn't be meant to target children.
From body image to consumerism, these messages are troublesome. Sadly with the TV being a parent to far to many kids, there isn't anyone to temper or filter.
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Parents have to do what parents have to do.This is why, for good or bad, we just banned certain cartoons, and avoided certain movies, with content we believed sent our kids the wrong message.
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#20Re: Muppet Propoganda
Dec 5th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
We were in a store in Orillia the other day. There was a kid, all of 8 years old, talking to his dad about what he did that morning on Call of Duty.When the majority of parents use TV and movies to babysit their kids, it is no wonder that they are used to promote whatever the corporate sponsors deem is of benefit to them.
The message isn't always corporate. Sometimes it's just violence. I may be an old prude, but I just don't think a child of roughly 8, is capable of processing that level of violence.
This is why we banned Power Rangers, and a couple other shows when the boys were young. Video games were pretty much nonexistent, I think they rot the brain.
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Thanx Cliffy. Bear, you are a rare breed of parent for filtering out stuff you feel is inappropriate. Too bad there not a lot more like you.
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Tell me about it. Especially this time of year. I want I want I want, is all most parents hear. Between advertising and peer pressure. I don't know what's worse, lol.Right, if it's benign. For the most part I think it's the sheer volume that takes it to a level where it cannot be considered benign. There are messages, messages, messages everywhere and our kids are bombarded with them. I'd lump targeted children advertising directly in with the movies and cartoons. Everybody wants a piece of our kids, hell everyone wants a piece of us.
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#21Re: Muppet Propoganda
Dec 5th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear
I find the violence is way too realistic now a days. We were in a store in Orillia the other day. There was a kid, all of 8 years old, talking to his dad about what he did that morning on Call of Duty.
The message isn't always corporate. Sometimes it's just violence. I may be an old prude, but I just don't think a child of roughly 8, is capable of processing that level of violence.
But, playing devil's advocate here, I do seem to remember a lot of noise being made about Road Runner cartoons when I was younger too. Now I'm not comparing the two at all but there probably a point to be made about the 'it was better when I was a kid' arguement here.
Which by the way I'm just as guilty of.
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When I see the kind of blatant messaging in a kids movie like the one mentioned in the OP, it makes me uncomfortable. But in all honesty, I'm frankly as uncomfortable with the whole 'toys in the happy meals' idea too. Tell me about it. Especially this time of year. I want I want I want, is all most parents hear. Between advertising and peer pressure. I don't know what's worse, lol.
Are there lines to be drawn by society collectively here? Or is everything left up to the discretion of the parents? I really don't know the right answer here at all. I just wonder about it sometimes.
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#22Re: Muppet Propoganda
Dec 5th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear
When ever I hear some kid going on and on about what they want (some actually sound more like demanding) I will get down in their face and say, "well then, get a job."
Tell me about it. Especially this time of year. I want I want I want, is all most parents hear. Between advertising and peer pressure. I don't know what's worse, lol.
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#23Re: Muppet Propoganda
Dec 5th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by SLM
That is the difference, IMHO, between Road Runner, and things like Call of Duty, or any number of children's shows these days. Where we watched cartoon animals bash each other, kids now see live actions, and cartoon people, bash each other.I find the violence is way too realistic now a days.
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Why? That toy would be the healthiest part of the happy meal.When I see the kind of blatant messaging in a kids movie like the one mentioned in the OP, it makes me uncomfortable. But in all honesty, I'm frankly as uncomfortable with the whole 'toys in the happy meals' idea too.
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Here's where we run head long on into free speech. I'm uncomfortable in regulating content, or what have you. But as a parent, I have no problem limiting my child's intake of that content.Are there lines to be drawn by society collectively here? Or is everything left up to the discretion of the parents? I really don't know the right answer here at all. I just wonder about it sometimes.
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We need more parents like you Cliffy!!! I do the same thing. Especially when it comes to things I deem to be crap. Video games, gaming systems, electronic crap, and those stupid card critters, pokemon!!! I'm so glad the boys grew out of that.When ever I hear some kid going on and on about what they want (some actually sound more like demanding) I will get down in their face and say, "well then, get a job."
On a side note, has anyone else notice the rather pleasurable conversation, now that the kid with the tractor, took his tractor and went home?
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Dec 5th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear
--Video games were pretty much nonexistent, I think they rot the brain.
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Dec 5th, 2011
There isn't a company in the world that sells consumerism to kids more than Disney. The Muppets movie is made by Disney; Fox news is run by idiots.
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#27Re: Muppet Propoganda
Dec 5th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear
Oh I completely agree, I view it the same way myself. But sometimes I wonder what will our kids be nostaligic for when they have their "good old days" moments, you know?That is the difference, IMHO, between Road Runner, and things like Call of Duty, or any number of children's shows these days. Where we watched cartoon animals bash each other, kids now see live actions, and cartoon people, bash each other.
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LOL, that's a valid point.Why? That toy would be the healthiest part of the happy meal.
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If push comes to shove, yes I'd have to agree. But I still at times have a hard time reconciling the notion of "free speech" with "commercial advertising".Here's where we run head long on into free speech. I'm uncomfortable in regulating content, or what have you. But as a parent, I have no problem limiting my child's intake of that content.
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Good for you! If they have the kind of parents that will let them go on and on about what they want, that's probably the best advice they've ever had. When ever I hear some kid going on and on about what they want (some actually sound more like demanding) I will get down in their face and say, "well then, get a job."
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#28Re: Muppet Propoganda
Dec 5th, 2011Quote:
From your link.However, it appears that very few games on the
commercial market have educational value.
Thanks for the help proving my point cannuck.
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