The proverbial "State "of the Nation


damngrumpy
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The problem is, we look at America and other nations as static things, they are not.
America went through the indecision period prior to WWll and in the end they dug
themselves out of the most serious threat they ever faced. As soon as the shrill
voices quit clanging the people will understand how much trouble they are in and
that there are no instant solutions. Those who proposed the free lunch concept,
that being, we don't have to do anything, we're Americans, will be sent back to the
darkness, and the people will start digging out.
America will face nearly a generation of problems, but that in turn will bring back the
regulation that is so badly needed. Regulation will also see the American people
demand the return of an industrial base of some kind. China is about to falter as well
economically and that means opportunities for America to return to its place of
prominence. Things change rapidly on the world stage, but this idea of a totally
unfettered free market and the America of old, is gone and people have to understand
that. I think they can turn it around in time. Face it, Asia cannot sustain the growth
they have experienced, and Europe will be decades to recover.
There is hope for the West, and we will pay much more attention to the nations of
South America that are doing better than most.
 
Ocean Breeze
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Perhaps there are some that view other nations as static things. But there are many of us that realize that all nations, peoples are dynamic and subject to change due to internal & external influences.. As the old adage goes:" the only constant In life is change. " The operative question seems to be: how can one influence the changes so that the result is the mature, responsible outcome??

This time of crisis and potential outcomes , including consequences is not a time for catch phrases , or platitudes or cute packaging. Things have deteriorated much to far. It might be that the world needs to hit bottom before it grows up into the kind of responsible, sensible and realistic population that can care for itself and the wonderful planet it lives on.

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No the President cannot use the military to arrest anyone o American soil..

 
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85-year-old Woman Strip Searched at JFK Airport

'I really look like a terrorist?,' 110-pound Long Island grandmother says


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Hope she carries through on the lawsuit. The degree of paranoia is beyond pathological now.
If the empire stopped CREATING the terrorists by its actions, it would not have to be so paranoid . But this vicious cycle is beneficial to someone......and it ain't the US population .

the empire going mad...



 
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Dignified burial of troops remains?? NOT so much:

Air Force dumped remains of 274 troops in landfill

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Of all the horrors the empire has been party to......... THIS is one was particularly shocking.

Before some go off on america hater crap.......STOP and THINK about just what kind of inhumanity you are so blindly supporting.

No nation is without fault. Only a select few have the over inflated ego problem that gives them delusions of grandeur . Many nations in history have gone through the same phases until they reached what they thought was that total and grand entitlement and power. The pattern is the same......and the end result is the kind of deterioration of a society/ culture we are seeing.

If this is how the empire treats its 'heros"......" Huston, we have a problem".
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Dignified burial of troops remains?? NOT so much:

Air Force dumped remains of 274 troops in landfill

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Of all the horrors the empire has been party to......... THIS is one was particularly shocking.

Before some go off on america hater crap.......STOP and THINK about just what kind of inhumanity you are so blindly supporting.

No nation is without fault. Only a select few have the over inflated ego problem that gives them delusions of grandeur . Many nations in history have gone through the same phases until they reached what they thought was that total and grand entitlement and power. The pattern is the same......and the end result is the kind of deterioration of a society/ culture we are seeing.

If this is how the empire treats its 'heros"......" Huston, we have a problem".

"Houston we have a problem"


Ever wonder what happens to your amputated arm or leg when it is removed? What the Air Force did with the troops remains was atrocious.


 
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Thoughts on Tourism, Terrorism, and the American Economy

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Interesting and valid perspective on some major issues ..
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Thoughts on Tourism, Terrorism, and the American Economy

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Interesting and valid perspective on some major issues ..

Nah Just turn into more anti American propaganda.
 
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The President is expected to sign the bill, which will allow indefinite detentions without charge or trial, even for American citizens.


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comments?? Is this a positive move forward ?? How much more of this will be "justified" before folks realize what is happening??
 
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Secret Wars and the Rule of Law
by Tim Kelly, December 21, 2011


The president of the United States now wages secret wars virtually independent of Congress and in direct violation of the United States Constitution.

Earlier this month, the White House issued several findings authorizing U.S. intelligence services to carry out covert actions against Iran and Syria. A presidential finding is a directive similar to an executive order; it instructs a government agency, usually the Central Intelligence Agency, to carry out clandestine operations against a foreign government or foreign entity.

The current use of presidential findings is based on the -- to the Foreign Assistance Act, which prohibited the use of appropriated funds by the CIA for intelligence activities “unless and until the President finds that each such operation is important to the national security of the United States and reports, in a timely fashion, a description and scope of such operation to the appropriate committees of Congress.”

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War is God

(war is power, war is the destroyer with empty promises of re creating thus making it a totally irrational concept )

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can't deny the reality presented in the article. A reality the world is being subjected to ...















Department of Homeland Security Using Fake Facebook and Twitter Accounts to Monitor Posts Containing Certain Keywords

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Is nothing safe from gov't spys?? THIS is NOT the AMERICA I once knew. It has surrendered its essence to fear & fear of anyking is paralyzing.
 
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With minimal media debate, at a time when Americans were celebrating the New Year with their loved ones, the “National Defense Authorization Act " H.R. 1540 was signed into law by President Barack Obama. The actual signing took place in Hawaii on the 31st of December.

According to Obama's "signing statement", the threat of Al Qaeda to the Security of the Homeland constitutes a justification for repealing fundamental rights and freedoms, with a stroke of the pen.

The controversial signing statement (see transcript below) is a smokscreen. Obama says he disagrees with the NDAA but he signs it into law.

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Police State USA: 2012 ??

or has it been heading towards this for some time particularly since 9-11?? Another gift from 9-11???

You decide.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

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Police State USA: 2012 ??

or has it been heading towards this for some time particularly since 9-11?? Another gift from 9-11???

You decide.

You and cannuck should get together and take on the police state.

I have faith the two of you would get alone splendidly.
 
Ocean Breeze
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How Congress Has Signed Its Own Arrest Warrants in the NDAA Citizen Arrest Act

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Nice catch by the author of this piece.

if nothing more.....tensions within the nation can only rise. as can their chronic state of paranoia
a lot of power is a dangerous thing. History has told us that repeatedly
 
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You Picked a Fine Time to Lead Us, Barack.

 
Ocean Breeze
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Global Gangster

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Many hard core TRUTHS in the article. Many of which the "loyalists" will deny. None are so blind as WILL NOT SEE. (as will be evidenced by the thumbs down gang )

tragic....
 
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Uncle Sam became a water boy and then a hit man for the bankers. Uncle Sham should be given the respect and love due an abused victim. But only after a good beating to git the guns outta them crazy basterds hands. Of course as long as private trans national banking is tolerated the rehab will just be wasted time.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

Uncle Sam became a water boy and then a hit man for the bankers. Uncle Sham should be given the respect and love due an abused victim. But only after a good beating to git the guns outta them crazy basterds hands. Of course as long as private trans national banking is tolerated the rehab will just be wasted time.

Except for the banking that keeps replenishing your trust fund right?
 
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Except for the banking that keeps replenishing your trust fund right?

Yes the banks love me alone and replenish my funds perpetually while the rest of the planet gets squat and worse. All I have to do is rant at them on CC, it's easy. You probably have to work like a peasant and can't possibly understand a person of my exalted class anywho..
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

Yes the banks love me alone and replenish my funds perpetually while the rest of the planet gets squat and worse. All I have to do is rant at them on CC, it's easy. You probably have to work like a peasant and can't possibly understand a person of my exalted class.

There ya go. I bet that tid bit of honesty didn't hurt at all.
 
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There ya go. I bet that tid bit of honesty didn't hurt at all.

Nothing hurts, I've been dead for two weeks.
 
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Nothing hurts, I've been dead for two weeks.

Did your body finally catch up to your head?
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Did your body finally catch up to your head?

Is it my family values or my freedom?
 
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Financial market cynics have assumed all along that Dodd-Frank did not end "too big to fail" but instead created a charmed circle of protected banks labeled "systemically important" that will not be allowed to fail, no matter how badly they behave.
That may be, but there is one bit of bad behavior that Uncle Sam himself does not have the funds to underwrite: the $32 trillion market in credit default swaps (CDS). Thirty-two trillion dollars is more than twice the U.S. GDP and more than twice the national debt.
CDS are a form of derivative taken out by investors as insurance against default. According to the Comptroller of the Currency, nearly 95% of the banking industry’s total exposure to derivatives contracts is held by the nation’s five largest banks: JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, Bank of America, HSBC, and Goldman Sachs. The CDS market is unregulated, and there is no requirement that the “insurer” actually have the funds to pay up. CDS are more like bets, and a massive loss at the casino could bring the house down.

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How Greece could bring down Wall Street.

 
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The Greeks invented the west and now they can save it from the barbarian banking hordes, zionist scum and the filthy trans humanists.
 
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US Running on Myths, Lies, Deceptions and Distractions

Republican Hypocrisy; Democratic Complicity; The Press’s Malfeasance; and Why You Don’t Have a Job and if You Do, Why it Doesn’t Pay Squat

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The United States is headed for a plutocratic dystopia where a few gated communities sit like islands amidst a sea of bitterness, misery, and want.
Why?
Because the country is running on lies, myths, deceptions and distractions. Not surprisingly, they aren’t working very well for us.
Let’s run through a few of the most destructive lies and myths.

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More harsh truths. How can this self destructive path be altered into one that is once again creative, dynamic and progressive?? Or have things gone too far now???
 
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The White House now has positions for "Creative Writers" whose sole task is to write up plausible excuses to use in Obama's speeches to the US public. When he runs out of rhetoric he'll be gone over night in a quick Revolution by patriots. Americans are now tiring of all talk and no effective results.
 
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Americans are now tiring of all talk and no effective results.

Surely seems that way. And Good for them. They are also "waking up" to some harsh truths. Another good thing. When they fully realize how they are being duped and used for the USG militant agenda ....Look out. One big plus for the American mindset is that they don't take being made a fool of all that kindly. When they fully realize what the "war on terrorism " is about ...and how it has given the USG an excuse to do some very nasty military actions , killing many people, destroying cultures, and destroying nations.

No question now: the Empire has run amok and does not even have the funds to take care of its own people. It is more of a militant state than a republic now. All the fear mongering has worked for the powers that be. Fortunately many see through this and see how irrational it has become.

One would NEVER have seen any American allow himself to be subjected to the kind of groping that they call airport security as they have now. This is counter to everything America stands for.

America : What happened?? Sadly we know what happened. The powers that be took advantage of a horrific event to put in effect an agenda they had brewing for some time. Without that horrible event......the US could never have gotten away with what they have in the past decade.

Folks talk about restoring America to its former glory. Won't and can't happen. A whole new and constructive dynamic must take place and a LOT of learning from past experiences must happen. This will take time . Only then can America evolve into a mature , productive, progressive nation again........one with humanitarian goals , scientific achievements, Medical achievements. and better care for its own people. The last thing one should strive for is recapturing something that was built up on shaky foundations. (be it financial , ethical, etc )

Many of us will not live to see what this new America will be like. We can only hope that ethical men are at the helm to navigate it through these turbulent times.
 
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Hypnotized Into an Endless Dirty War
America has decided it has the right to kill whoever it wants, whenever it wants.
By Gary Kamiya
February 21, 2012 "Salon" -- If in the year 2000 the U.S. president had told the American people that the government would soon begin using robot planes to track people, including U.S. citizens, all over the world, and would reserve to itself the right to kill them without trial, it is safe to say there would have been an enormous uproar. But that is exactly what is happening today, and nobody cares. The majority of Americans, including those who were opposed to the war in Iraq, have no problems with their government killing at will, so long as the killing is done in the name of “national security.”
How did this happen

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Isn't that what many of us have been saying for years now??? And we all know exactly how this happened. (well, many of us do. even if the thumb downers live in denial. .

Other leaders and gov't in history have achieved a simiilar state using fear, threats of threats to control their own people.

When the america that exists now......realizes that it is NOT free , psychologically, ethically, culturally, , only then will true and positive change take place. Like an addict ......(be it to pride, money, delusions of self grandiosity ) it first has to admit there is a huge problem and identify the real problem(s). On the plus side....many are gradually having the hood lifted from their eyes and minds..and awareness is creeping in.

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Crisis and the Creeping Militarization of US Society
By Christopher J. Coyne & Abigail R. Hall
George Mason University
February 21, 2012 "Daily Caller" -- Earlier this month, Congress passed House Resolution 658, the “Federal Aviation Administration Air Transportation Modernization and Safety Improvement Act,” which President Obama is expected to sign. One of the over 1,000 sections of H.R. 658 authorizes domestic use of aerial spy drones by the U.S. government.
This is but the latest case of the increased militarization of U.S. police forces. Other examples abound. Under Program 1033, the U.S. military provided police with over $500 million in military equipment in 2011, more than double the amount allocated by the government a year before. Small town police forces have been equipped with SWAT gear and automatic weapons. State and local law enforcement are receiving training akin to that expected in the armed forces.

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what is deviously clever about all these changes is how they are introduced . And how far the popuplation has been virtually hypnotized into going along and accepting these changes. The power of FEAR.....
 
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The power of FEAR.....

Isn't that the same power you're trying to use?
 
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