Republican in hot water over belief in AGW


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Romney in hot water for belief that climate change is real; at odds with GOP

"I believe the world's getting warmer.... I believe that humans contribute to that," Romney said in response to a query on whether he'd disavow the science behind climate change. "It's important for us to reduce our emissions of pollutants and greenhouse gases that may be significant contributors."

WASHINGTON — Polls suggest Mitt Romney is the one Republican presidential hopeful who stands a real chance of beating Barack Obama in 2012, but conservatives are blazing a new warpath against the former Massachusetts governor _ this time for his belief that climate change is real.

"Bye-bye, nomination," radio host Rush Limbaugh, a guiding light for many hard-core conservatives in the United States, said this week after the former Massachussetts governor stated publicly that the planet is getting warmer.

"Another one down. We're in the midst here of discovering that this is all a hoax. The last year has established that the whole premise of man-made global warming is a hoax, and we still have presidential candidates that want to buy into it."

Limbaugh was later challenged during his show by a caller who noted that the non-partisan National Academy of Sciences, considered the Supreme Court of science, has concluded that climate change is both real and brought on by human activity.

But no matter: the bombastic talk show host speaks for a Republican party that's increasingly at odds with political parties worldwide, even fellow conservative ones in Canada, France, Germany and the United Kingdom that are attempting to deal with climate change.

Already distrustful of Romney due to his Mormon faith and the universal health-care he brought into law in Massachusetts that's similar to Obama's sweeping reforms, conservatives are reacting to his climate change remarks as though he's proclaimed George W. Bush was behind the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

"His run for president as a Republican is now officially over," declared Charles Johnson at the conservative Little Green Footballs website.

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Great strategy some of the these conservatives have, defeat the palatable candidates and elect some fringe teabagger to lead the party... might as well just hand Obama his reelection on a silver plate.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurkaView Post

Great strategy some of the these conservatives have, defeat the palatable candidates and elect some fringe teabagger to lead the party... might as well just hand Obama his reelection on a silver plate.

If the GOP does send a far right guy to the general election, Obama will win. I think Romney is posturing and the far right mouth pieces and just being themselves. They saw what happened in Delaware and Nevada. If they want that to happen in 2012... well it's their own fault.
 
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Mitt Romney is a horrible candidate for the GOP. Take your Mormon cult and shove it Romney!
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayzView Post

Mitt Romney is a horrible candidate for the GOP. Take your Mormon cult and shove it Romney!

and your cult is somehow better?
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurkaView Post

and your cult is somehow better?

Sects and violence, always the way.
 
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and your cult is somehow better?

How is Christianity a cult?

I can see this conversation being moved to another thread, so heads up.
 
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How is Christianity a cult?

I can see this conversation being moved to another thread, so heads up.

I'm not saying it is, no more then Mormonism anyways. Mormonism is basically Christianity with the addition of Joseph Smith, no?
 
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Romney is nothing but bad news. You've got to be a total sap to buy the completely discredited science of AGW.

But i'm more worried about his 'business acumen' that he is touting as a path to deliverance from imminent economic collapse. His business record, from which he made a fortune ($250 million), was with a 'vulture fund' which snapped up ailing businesses, put in distress by the neo-con ecomonic policies of Free Trade, Monetarism and Unregulated Usery.. then taking a chainsaw to their payrolls, dismantling unions, and hiring back workers at minimum wage.. and then reselling them at a huge profit. In several cases the 'rescued' businesses lasted only for year or two before declaring bankruptcy.

Romney, Palin, Gingrich.. there seems to be a big 'stupid' gene threading its way through the Republican Party. As mediocre a President as Obama has been, the Republicans are handing him a second term on a platter. One of Romney's pitches is that he would not have bailed out the auto industry, the only thing that kept American industry alive in the last economic debacle. Presumably he had designs of buying up GM and Chrysler, destroying the UAW, and selling of its plants piecemeal.. and making himself even richer.
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Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayzView Post

How is Christianity a cult?

I can see this conversation being moved to another thread, so heads up.

How is Mormonism a cult?
 
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Romney is nothing but bad news. You've got to be a total sap to buy the completely discredited science of AGW.

It's actually pretty unprecedented that a Republican jumps on board the AGW train.

With this kind of move, you will see the skeptic position become more and more marginalized.

Too bad, so sad.

If you're lucky, he might be pro life. lol
 
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I'm not saying it is, no more then Mormonism anyways. Mormonism is basically Christianity with the addition of Joseph Smith, no?

No. It's not Christian in the least, contradicting Christianity at every turn:

Salvation is not through grace, but works.

You can baptize the dead.

The book of Mormon is MORE CORRECT than the bible itself.

Jesus and the Devil are brothers.

There are many gods.

God used to be a man on another planet.

God the Father, has a father.

God had sexual relations with Mary to conceive Jesus.

After you become a good Mormon, you can potentially become a God yourself.

You are I always existed in heaven. "Pre-existence"

How can we have President that believes in this man-made garbage?

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How is Mormonism a cult?

Look at what they believe. It's fringe.
 
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How can we have President that believes in this man-made garbage?

I know. I don't believe in ghosts or deities either. It's just lunacy.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayzView Post

No. It's not Christian in the least, contradicting Christianity at every turn:

Salvation is not through grace, but works.

You can baptize the dead.

The book of Mormon is MORE CORRECT than the bible itself.

Jesus and the Devil are brothers.

There are many gods.

God used to be a man on another planet.

God the Father, has a father.

God had sexual relations with Mary to conceive Jesus.

After you become a good Mormon, you can potentially become a God yourself.

You are I always existed in heaven. "Pre-existence"

How can we have President that believes in this man-made garbage?



Look at what they believe. It's fringe.

All religion is man made garbage. Men wrote the books. What has this got to do with the OP besides the fact the Romney believes in magic underwear?
 
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How can we have President that believes in this man-made garbage?

You sound like an atheist.

As for Romney, I guess he can kiss a lot of support good bye. McCain had to completely flip flop to try and distance himself from Obama's climate platform, and that wasn't successful. Limbaugh and his kind will tear Romney a new one now.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayzView Post

No. It's not Christian in the least, contradicting Christianity at every turn:

Salvation is not through grace, but works.

You can baptize the dead.

The book of Mormon is MORE CORRECT than the bible itself.

Jesus and the Devil are brothers.

There are many gods.

God used to be a man on another planet.

God the Father, has a father.

God had sexual relations with Mary to conceive Jesus.

After you become a good Mormon, you can potentially become a God yourself.

You are I always existed in heaven. "Pre-existence"

How can we have President that believes in this man-made garbage?



Look at what they believe. It's fringe.

There are some pretty fringe groups within Christianity as well, the Westboro Baptist Church being a big one.

Also, regardless of who is elected, they are not your President unless you equate the President as being some International religious leader.
 
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There are some pretty fringe groups within Christianity as well, the Westboro Baptist Church being a big one.

Idiotic groups like the Westboro Baptists may adhere to the fundamentals of Christianity, but they put themselves on a slippery slope with their legalism. They risk falling from grace.

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Also, regardless of who is elected, they are not your President unless you equate the President as being some International religious leader.

Considering how intertwined the US and Canada are, the President's office is pretty important for us.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

It's actually pretty unprecedented that a Republican jumps on board the AGW train.

With this kind of move, you will see the skeptic position become more and more marginalized.

Too bad, so sad.

If you're lucky, he might be pro life. lol

He won the Governor's seat in Far Left Massachusetts. Being a GW proponent takes him even closer to center.

Far right just isn't going to cut it.

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Idiotic groups like the Westboro Baptists may adhere to the fundamentals of Christianity, but they put themselves on a slippery slope with their legalism. They risk falling from grace.

I went to watch BYU in Provo Utah and the people there were so friendly. As far as kindness goes, it was the most friendly city I've been to... by far. And after my team gave them a good beating they all stood up and clapped.

You don't get that sort of treatment at Notre Dame or anywhere in the Southern Conference.
 
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I went to watch BYU in Provo Utah and the people there were so friendly. As far as kindness goes, it was the most friendly city I've been to... by far. And after my team gave them a good beating they all stood up and clapped.

You don't get that sort of treatment at Notre Dame or anywhere in the Southern Conference.

So, you assume that all people in Utah are Mormon? Your point?
 
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So, you assume that all people in Utah are Mormon? Your point?

Did you read his post? BYU is a Mormon university...when they lost, they were gracious in defeat. You mentioned grace, did you not?

It's pathetic that you as a Christian would tell Romney to shove it. Not gracious at all.
 
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So, you assume that all people in Utah are Mormon? Your point?

Provo is 80%-90% Mormon... which is what I was talking about. People attending a BYU game I am sure are close to 100% Mormon excluding visiting fans.

And they were wonderful people.

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So, you assume that all people in Utah are Mormon? Your point?

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Point- Match
 
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It's pathetic that you as a Christian would tell Romney to shove it. Not gracious at all.

The grace I mentioned was GOD'S grace, unmerited mercy, not the civility or graciousness that people should have towards each other. Two completely different things. I'm not in a social situation with Romney, where I have to be gracious or civil towards him. I'm on a forum where one of the things people discuss is the character of such deluded fools.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayzView Post

The grace I mentioned was GOD'S grace, unmerited mercy, not the civility or graciousness that people should have towards each other. Two completely different things. I'm not in a social situation with Romney, where I have to be gracious or civil towards him. I'm on a forum where one of the things people discuss is the character of such deluded fools.

And the Mormons believe in God's grace and mercy as well. Not only that but they live it. I do not agree with the Book of Mormon and John Smith's teachings. I even kindly turn them away from my door. However from my experience with Mormons they are simply wonderful people.

In Division College Football here in the US... who the heck sits through the whole game cheering their team on while refraining from calling the opposing team and their fans vile names... the Mormons at BYU.
 
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Provo is 80%-90% Mormon... which is what I was talking about. People attending a BYU game I am sure are close to 100% Mormon excluding visiting fans.

And they were wonderful people.

FAILED

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How was I suppose to know that BYU is overwhelmingly Mormon? You just throw out "BYU" and "Utah". You should have clarified a little better, so your quickness to chalk one up on the scoreboard is premature.

I'm sure they're wonderful nice people if you say so, but it by no means makes their beliefs true.
 
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How was I suppose to know that BYU is overwhelmingly Mormon? .


You pretend to know something about Mormons, therefore you should know.
 
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And the Mormons believe in God's grace and mercy as well.

Not when it comes to salvation, which is *key doctrine* in Christianity and practically the entire point to the bible!

Good works are necessary for salvation (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 92)

Jesus' sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, 1856, p. 247)

There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 18

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You pretend to know something about Mormons, therefore you should know.

LOL, I suppose to know what universities they attend and what percentage they make up? Do you know without looking it up?
 
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There's your cue.... Google
 
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How was I suppose to know that BYU is overwhelmingly Mormon?

You wouldn't think Brigham Young University would overwhelmingly be Mormon? It is a Mormon university.

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You just throw out "BYU" and "Utah". You should have clarified a little better, so your quickness to chalk one up on the scoreboard is premature.

On the contrary... I said Provo Utah... not just Utah. Provo Utah is 80%-90% Mormon and the location of BYU.

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I'm sure they're wonderful nice people if you say so, but it by no means makes their beliefs true.

I didn't say that and I do not believe the Book of Mormon. But the Mormons are not a cult and my experience with Mormons have always been positive. When I was in Provo the people there were unbelievably nice. You can't get a beer anywhere though except in the hotel and last call is at 10PM. That sucked.
 
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The grace I mentioned was GOD'S grace, unmerited mercy, not the civility or graciousness that people should have towards each other.

Will God not be gracious to those who do good? You presume to be a judge where it is plainly not your place, by the doctrines of your faith. Following Christ is following God's grace.

Mormons follow Christ. Mormons believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the prophet foretold of in the Old Testament. Mormons accept Jesus Christ as their savior, and believe that they must accept him as their savior to return to God. Mormons believe that God sent to the world his son, who suffered for our sins. Mormons believe Jesus was crucified and resurrected. Mormons believe that the Bible is the word of God. They also believe that God and Jesus appeared before Joseph Smith, and that Jesus brought a message to Joseph.

How do you know to believe the accounts of Paul and not those of Joseph Smith?

They're Christians.

This is the end of my thread jacking.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurkaView Post

Great strategy some of the these conservatives have, defeat the palatable candidates and elect some fringe teabagger to lead the party... might as well just hand Obama his reelection on a silver plate.


I dunno, Durka; look what we elected!

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Sects and violence, always the way.


Who said sex??............C'mon , who said it??
 

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