The Concept/Mentality of Video Games:

Praxius

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You know, over the years I have heard pretty much all the sides there can be made in the war against video games, what makes up those video games, and I have come to my own personal conclusion on how I feel people should view video games.

Too many people have been getting into uproars on what they find their children playing, that they never thought the game they bought their child and the game their child have been screaming and crying for months, had so much violence, sex, or other adult material. They think video games should be like pong, or like Tetris, or perhaps some My Little Pony simulator..... but once you put adult themes to something with the identification of "Game" then you've gone too far and you're attempting to corrupt children's minds and make them into crazy murderers or kids who run away from home because they get addicted to the game.

Now on the flip side, you have the counter-argument about video games being just entertainment, expression of a story or art, they're just for fun and shouldn't be taken seriously. This side get's into an uproar because the other side wants to take the things they find fun out of the things that are supposed to be fun. They feel that governments, law makers and protectionist groups are trying to police and restrict freedom of expression and all that good stuff..... and soon, nobody will be able to do anything unless it is run by the government first and their board of politically correct fear mongers.

But much of the things I see continually being left out of the arguments are the following:

1 - Almost everywhere you go in the world where you can buy and play a video game, no matter what computer you have, or what console you use to play them, they all have ratings on them that look sorta like these:



^ Very much like movies, some are designed and marketed for a particular age/maturity group. If you don't want your children to play certain video games, then you do exactly what you do with movies. You check their ratings, you check the details of why they have those ratings (Nudity, Violence, Course Language, etc.) and if you are not sure, then like when you hop into Blockbuster, you ask the sales guy about the movie and if it is right for your child or yourself....... just as in a game store you do the exact same thing. If it is not what you think is appropriate, then don't buy it.

2 - Now a days, some people are complaining that video games are causing some people (in particular, children) to commit certain crimes or they are causing them to act out in ways they never acted out before and causing a degrade in society. But wasn't that same argument made about Rock and Roll - later - Heavy Metal, horror movies or movies in general, tv shows, the Simpsons.... now South Park and many other forms of entertainment? They all eventually just because more of the background noise of our current societies and never really had any real impact on society then the next genre of entertainment.

Hell, people thought certain books were causing people to commit crimes and do bad things in general..... remember Harry Potter? Remember Clockwork Orange when it comes to movies?

What makes video games more special to be treated with more censorship?

Is it because they are interactive and are more realistic then ever before? How is that the Video Game's fault? How is that the designer's fault? How is it Ozzy's fault for some kid shooting himself because he listened to Suicide Solution? I heard the song, I own the album.... haven't killed myself yet...... haven't killed anybody else.... to my knowledge.

To me, it is no more different then how movies have become more and more realistic and more detailed over the years. Jeez, back in the day, Nightmare on Elm Street was pretty realistic.... now it's pretty tame by today’s standards.... then jump back to the 50's or 60's for some movies people thought were pretty realistic. Was there a big issue when things started coming in Technicolor? It all had the colors of life after all..... one more step to reality right in front of you.

I see video games not much different then a movie or a in depth book. The only difference in video games to those, is simple interaction. They all have story lines, they all have characters, they all have a beginning, a middle and eventually, an end. With books and movies, it's all static and it all plays out exactly as it was created to, and you're just a viewer along for the ride and experience.....

.... with video games it's very much the same thing.... there is a story you are thrown into, but the difference is that you normally play a character in that story, and in order to get through that story and find out how it ends, you need to play out the actions of the story through the character (Be that good actions or bad actions) and if you fail, you go back and do it again..... as you can not simply fast forward beyond a point.

So when you're the tough guy in Grand Theft Auto and you have to commit a crime or perhaps save someone's life, the game isn't trying to tell you that those things are ok and to go do them in real life, anymore then a movie you watch that has a character in it who does the exact same things. It's part of the story that was already written and predetermined before you got your hands on it..... you just play a small part in carrying out the story to it's end to see what happens.... just like turning a page in a book (perhaps a bit more complex in design but the principle is still the same.)

So in saying all of that, maybe what is really needed to be done is for parents and individuals to actually stop their thinking at the word "Game" and look a bit further into if it is appropriate for you or the person you are getting it for. Look at the rating.... if it says 18 years or older and claims to have violence, nudity, sexuality or course language in it..... then perhaps you should treat it as you would a movie with a similar rating.

Seriously, would you give your 13 year old kid a porno? Would you let your 7 year old daughter stay up late and watch Pet Sematary or The Hills Have Eyes?

It should be common knowledge as it is for the companies who make these games, that the average gamers’ age today is roughly in the mid-30's. Some might be surprised on that number, but it is true. Go google the information and see what comes up.... the average age ranges between 29-35 years of age.... most between 32 and 35 years of age, depending on when the study was conducted and where.

The point being is that many of these games are designed towards this age bracket and are certainly not meant to be sold to kids around the ages of 12 -17..... that's why they have the ratings on the boxes in the first place. They're not slapped on there just to make the game seem cool.

So in closing at this time, maybe the thing that is really needed is not more regulation and control, but perhaps people using their judgment and responsibility more..... I know it can sometimes seem like hard work to do this, but in the long run, you might just see it can reduce a lot of problems in the future.
 
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DurkaDurka

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That's a pretty good article, nice to read one about video games that isn't full of hysterics and falsehoods.
 

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That's a pretty good article, nice to read one about video games that isn't full of hysterics and falsehoods.

Well thanks.... I actually wrote it myself just a few seconds ago.... just something that was on the mind since yesterday. I just needed to remember to type it all out :p

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Never had one of my posts called an Article before, lol.
 
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Well thanks.... I actually wrote it myself just a few seconds ago.... just something that was on the mind since yesterday. I just needed to remember to type it all out :p

You wrote it? All the better. ;) It's good, I feel the same with most of what you wrote.

Video games are easy targets these days as they are arguably more popular then films or music and not to mention the stink the various religious groups make when any sort of risque game is released. You see every bible thumper in north america blow blood vessels when the latest grand theft auto comes out, do they act the same way when the latest "Hostel" is released or any of the ultra-gore films of late? The religious crowd has been following Jack Thompsons lead for far too long, thankfully Flordia disbarred him last week so he won't be making anymore frivolous lawsuits against the gaming industry.
 

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I think people with children should realize that they, the parents, are responsible for every type of babysitter they employ. Be it the teenager down the road, or the boobtube and video games...

Parents should also realize that EVERYTHING is an opportunity for their kids to learn and for them, the parents, to be involved and to mold and shape their children.

Without a parents involvement a child will still be molded and shaped, but not in the way they'd like or hoped for.

Having a child never see bad things is not going to keep their child away from it or safe. But being there when they're playing video games, or watching tv and being receptive to discussion is part of the role of being a parent.
 

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That's a pretty good article, nice to read one about video games that isn't full of hysterics and falsehoods.

You wrote it? All the better. ;) It's good, I feel the same with most of what you wrote.

Well thanks.... maybe it had to do with me actually spellchecking for once before I posted, lol.

Video games are easy targets these days as they are arguably more popular then films or music and not to mention the stink the various religious groups make when any sort of risque game is released. You see every bible thumper in north america blow blood vessels when the latest grand theft auto comes out, do they act the same way when the latest "Hostel" is released or any of the ultra-gore films of late? The religious crowd has been following Jack Thompsons lead for far too long, thankfully Flordia disbarred him last week so he won't be making anymore frivolous lawsuits against the gaming industry.

The thing I noticed in regards to all the Grand Theft Autos (Since they went 3D with GTA III) that they always focused on what you "could" do in the game, and not actually what was part of the story line. They focused on points such as picking of hookers and then killing them afterwards to get your money back..... that can happen, but many other things happen in the game as well, and they don't promote or make you commit those kinds of acts in the game, you yourself do.

And there are consequences in the game, much like in real life in which it is supposed to simulate. Commit a crime in front of police, or attack the police and you have the police coming after you..... keep it up and they increase their tactics to arrest you until you are either busted or killed. Yet the groups that want to ban such games tend to avoid or ignore that there are laws and rules to abide to within the game..... just as there seem to be rules and laws within movies that sometimes get broken.

If in a movie someone just went around and did whatever they wanted and no police or law enforcement came around, it wouldn't be all that realistic and kind of a dumb story that would be hard to relate reality to. But with GTA in paticular, someone shows something bad in the game that you can do, and nothing else matters.... they focus on the one or two bad things and ignore anything beyond that action, regardless if you'd have cops on your arse or not..... and to me, that defeats their entire argument in the first place, because they don't fully know what they are talking about.
 

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I think people with children should realize that they, the parents, are responsible for every type of babysitter they employ. Be it the teenager down the road, or the boobtube and video games...

Parents should also realize that EVERYTHING is an opportunity for their kids to learn and for them, the parents, to be involved and to mold and shape their children.

Without a parents involvement a child will still be molded and shaped, but not in the way they'd like or hoped for.

Having a child never see bad things is not going to keep their child away from it or safe. But being there when they're playing video games, or watching tv and being receptive to discussion is part of the role of being a parent.

I agree fully. Some kids are more mature then others. Some can understand that one thing is for entertainment but in real life it is not wise to repeat those actions...... and other children need someone to talk to them about what is really going on when they live their real lives and what they do inside a video game..... and usually the best people for that are their parents.

When I was growing up, we have the Atari, Commadore 64 and the Nintendo.... out of all of them the most violent game we had at the time (And I believe it was the most violent game available at the time) was NARC.....



...... where you played a police officer with grenade launchers, machine guns and a race car with more guns, and the objective was to bust, kill, run over or blow up drug dealers.... and for the time, the gore was pretty detailed. I actually remember activist groups getting into an uproar over this game as well.... even though you were fighting drug dealers and you were a police officer, the level of violence in the game was excessive at that time and thought it glorified the whole situation..... which perhaps it did.... but was nowhere near relative to real life.

Then Mortal Kombat came out and I was hooked on those for a long while. Most of us today should still remember what all went through with those games at the time..... even Nintendo had to go so far as to change some of the fatalities around and remove the blood from the game in order to be allowed to port it to the Super Nintendo.

But nobody is chucking spears into other people's chests and upercutting them into spike filled pits, nobody is gunning people down with the machine guns on their cars in the name of the law, and today.... I haven't heard of any kids car-jacking people, picking up hookers, having sex with them, and then killing them afterwards to get their money back.

Some people need to get their heads into Reality that these games are not Reality.
 

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Well thanks.... I actually wrote it myself just a few seconds ago.... just something that was on the mind since yesterday. I just needed to remember to type it all out :p

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Never had one of my posts called an Article before, lol.

That is pretty good Prax. I thought it was an article as well.
 

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A fair and balanced view, Praxius.

The only problem I have with video games is how addicting they can get!
 

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The only problem I have with video games is how addicting they can get!

Is it that they are addicting or that video games control the time continuum? Making several hours feel like only a few minutes?
 

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Just one more level and I'll go to bed

Just one more mission and I'll go to bed

Just one more turn and I'll go to bed
 

barney

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I would say that the concept on the part of the sellers is addiction, much like so many other products out there.

The mentality of the buyer is escape. If it's entertainment then if you weren't trying to escape from reality, you'd do something fun in reality. But reality for most is not fun. So they watch TV/play video games. Better than reading because it's engaging.

If people had lives worth living, they wouldn't bother with entertainment.

Why do you think most rich kids don't bother with this stuff? Because they have lots of stuff worth doing in life that they have access to. The best thing poor boy has to look forward to is getting some sex in the gap between work and sleep.
 

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Watching some of the reality shows that deal with "rich kids", I would rather have my normal "boring" life than the life they have. They are vapid useless fluffs of society. At least I make a contribution, which is more than can be said about a lot of the kids that are rich only because daddy has the big bucks.
 

barney

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The adult brats that appear on those shows are hardly the standard. Most are out at private clubs playing tennis or at the country's top private schools honing their many learned skills so that they can take their parents' place running your life for you.
 

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I would say that the concept on the part of the sellers is addiction, much like so many other products out there.

The mentality of the buyer is escape. If it's entertainment then if you weren't trying to escape from reality, you'd do something fun in reality. But reality for most is not fun. So they watch TV/play video games. Better than reading because it's engaging.

If people had lives worth living, they wouldn't bother with entertainment.

Why do you think most rich kids don't bother with this stuff? Because they have lots of stuff worth doing in life that they have access to. The best thing poor boy has to look forward to is getting some sex in the gap between work and sleep.

If people had lives worth living they wouldn't bother with entertainment?

That doesn't make any sense, since many people's lives revolve around entertaining other people.

What I enjoy doing, such as animation, cartoons and other silly things I not only find entertaining, but I took post secondary training to learn how to do these things professionally...... is that to say that my life isn't worth living?

Life is about entertainment. No matter what it is we enjoy, it is entertainment, or else we probably wouldn't be doing it. That can span from watching tv, to making the things on tv that others will watch.... same for video games, same with sports, same with inventions or other forms of technology. If people didn't find some form of entertainment from their own acomplishments and successes or through just simply learning something new, then nothing would probably get done.

What do you consider makes someone's life worth living?

In other words, what makes your own life worth living if you have no forms of entertainment in it?

Do you avoid books?

Do you avoid movies or tv shows?

What about the theatre or video games like what was being talked about above?

Do you avoid all of these things yourself? You would have to if you lived by the same mentality in which you just expressed. If you found entertainment in these things or spend a half hour doing any of the above, then apparently by the logic I read above, you life wasn't at all worth living for that half hour.

What does that say if you spent more then a half hour doing these things?

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Or is this just something you feel is exclusive to "rich kids?"

If so, why is it just exclusively to rich kids? Many teens and such who live in poverty and are surrounded by gangs and such end up doing just as violent or worse acts because they're poor and see no way out of their current lives.... they have no real entertainment, no decent community centres or sports they can join into, they have nobody promoting their successes and feel their lives are at a dead end...... so they resort to methods that can perhaps get them some money and perhaps some entertainment.
 

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The adult brats that appear on those shows are hardly the standard. Most are out at private clubs playing tennis or at the country's top private schools honing their many learned skills so that they can take their parents' place running your life for you.

Ok so what does this all have to do with the actual topic of how people see video games in comparison to other forms of media/entertainment?

Where do rich kids come into play in this debate?

Rich kids will buy and play $700 PS3's or XBox's, they'll still want the fastest and most powerful PC out there, they'll still want the coolest games just like anybody else who can purchase these things. How can you claim that they don't?
 

barney

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Ok take it easy Praxius, I meant no offence.

As I see it there is definitely a difference between art (what you do) and entertainment (what those 'rich kids' do on those shows and almost everything to do with the video games market).

For example, Shakespeare's plays may have been 'entertaining' but they were first and foremost art. Art has been described by some as a product of god's voice in man. In bad times it sometimes has to be disguised as 'entertainment.' True entertainment is mindless precisely because it is devoid of art. It focuses on formulae that have been developed over time and it's purpose is to profit by giving people what they crave: escape.

We happen to live in very, very bad times. Subconsciously, people are aware of this. The circumstances are unique in human development: the gradual disintegration of the bonds that hold human society together (i.e. the reduction of social connections between people are reduced to merely cooperation out of mutual self-interest). People feel helpless to fight this process because they are completely unprepared to deal with something of this magnitude. So what do they do? They escape. Enter video games; the ultimate in escapism, next to powerful narcotics.

I should know, I am an escapist extraordinaire. (I may see the problems that afflict us but like my fellow humans, have no way of providing solutions to them...so I entertain myself to keep my mind off that reality--and it can be quite enjoyable, in a vicious-circular, self-destructive sort of way.)
 

barney

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Oh and you're thinking of well-off kids: they (or their parents) have savings and decent jobs but are quite powerless, and are conditioned to be so.

The children of the truly rich and powerful (with some embarrassing exceptions) are out learning how to stay rich and all that that implies, not playing video games.

TV, video games, cheap entertainment in its many forms has always been among the many addictions of the (understandably desperate for escape) poor.