World Police
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June 10th, 2007, 12:46 AM
People,
Today I had the pleasure of having my second x-box 360 die on me.
I originally purchased my 360 in March of 06 and it broke down in 02/26/07, Microsoft replaced that unit with a refurb which I have had since the middle of March. Today, while trying to watch a movie, the unit locked up. Upon reboot of the system, I was presented with the red ring of death. (hardware failure).
After spending about 45 min on the phone with Microsoft, I was informed that I could have my broken-replacement unit fixed for the grand total of $175.00. I basically told the CSR that I would not accept that, the CSR and Supervisor advised me that was the best they could do. The problem with their answer is; X-Box 360's have major thermal issues, which is a design problem, not general wear and tear.
After getting no where with customer support, I decided I would test my thermal theory on my brokewn 360, my self. I dismantled my 360 down to the motherboard, GPU, CPU etc. Even with the system uncovered from the tight confines of the case, touching the heat sinks attached to the GPU or CPU resulted in near scalding, you could literally cook something on it... (which I am going to do). After noticing the immense heat coming off the heat sinks, I powered down the system, removed the heat sinks, removed the thermal compounds and replaced it with Artic Silver compound (used for high end CPU heat transfer). Even this, had minimal effect, the system still would not post.
After tonight, I will never purchase a product from Microsoft again. Microsoft refuses to acknowledge that the 360 has thermal issues(google it) which is unacceptable, they have lost a customer for good, which I doubt they care, but that's how they operate I suppose?
Over the next couple days, I plan to perform an experiment on my broken 360... I am going to cook bacon and eggs on it... it is that hot. You will see the video soon.
People,
Today I had the pleasure of having my second x-box 360 die on me.
I originally purchased my 360 in March of 06 and it broke down in 02/26/07, Microsoft replaced that unit with a refurb which I have had since the middle of March. Today, while trying to watch a movie, the unit locked up. Upon reboot of the system, I was presented with the red ring of death. (hardware failure).
After spending about 45 min on the phone with Microsoft, I was informed that I could have my broken-replacement unit fixed for the grand total of $175.00. I basically told the CSR that I would not accept that, the CSR and Supervisor advised me that was the best they could do. The problem with their answer is; X-Box 360's have major thermal issues, which is a design problem, not general wear and tear.
After getting no where with customer support, I decided I would test my thermal theory on my brokewn 360, my self. I dismantled my 360 down to the motherboard, GPU, CPU etc. Even with the system uncovered from the tight confines of the case, touching the heat sinks attached to the GPU or CPU resulted in near scalding, you could literally cook something on it... (which I am going to do). After noticing the immense heat coming off the heat sinks, I powered down the system, removed the heat sinks, removed the thermal compounds and replaced it with Artic Silver compound (used for high end CPU heat transfer). Even this, had minimal effect, the system still would not post.
After tonight, I will never purchase a product from Microsoft again. Microsoft refuses to acknowledge that the 360 has thermal issues(google it) which is unacceptable, they have lost a customer for good, which I doubt they care, but that's how they operate I suppose?
Over the next couple days, I plan to perform an experiment on my broken 360... I am going to cook bacon and eggs on it... it is that hot. You will see the video soon.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
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June 10th, 2007, 07:44 AM
Bill Gates and his brainchild "Microsoft" are products of this age Juan. Sound financial planning married wih energetic marketing/conditioning delivered by a technology devoted to taking your money for products and services of both dubiuous quality and predominantly unnecessary. You are provided a mental "plum", an opportunity to revel in the fantasy of violence and danger insulated from the outcome and oblivious to the consequences of your actions. You could join a combat sporting team/event, race your automobile or wrestle crocodiles (while pretending you're battling dragons or some mythical monster) but you'd end up probably a little worse off for the effort than you are sitting in your recreation room playing with your toys....
For a measly few hundred dollars of disposable income you can purchase a pile of IC's and printed circuits that isolates you from the world. For no better reason than your own desire to replace the reality of actual effort and physicality, you can amuse yourself with the imaginations of designers who provide a panorama of virtual reality that doesn't demand anything of you beyond the speed of your finger motor-reflexes and challenges you with a world full of dynamics for which you have both no responsibility and will suffer no consequences.... Kind of like the local "war on terrorism" or the effects of racism and poverty in the local barrio..."addressed" through a simulacrum of isolated insulated and disposable reality presented on the evening news on CNN or Fox....
A modern technocracy that embraces poor workmanship and the cheapest quality of parts manufactured by industries in nations that have horrendous poverty and little in the way of "democracy" that would be comparable to the experience of justice and/or poverty you experience.
You have been conditioned to believe that you're getting a "bargain" when a device of little actual value that performs the desired task....fantasy adventure that wisks you away to virtual reality where you can "experience" bloody mayhem and the "thrill" of martial combat....the electricity of speeding cars and the rattle of machine guns.....your personal waking daydream of non-reality that in all its non-reality is more inviting than the reality of your actual existence.... otherwise why would you be buying yet more junk from a technocracy that's done nothing but isolate you from your own reality and embraced the idea that selling the cheapest components assembled by people working for slave wages to perform a useless task at greatly inflated cost to the "consumer" is the message of progress in this the postmodern age?
Technocracies invite investment...of all kinds.....while making sure that the credo of planned obsolescence and marketing avenues assures ever-increasing sales to a conditioned and ready to buy public that thinks they're getting their dollars worth.....
Welcome to reality Juan.
Maybe you can write a game for the next generation of amusement electronics that provides a venue for technocrats and game programmers and marketing con-men that will impress them with the absurdity of their own disingenuous empty promises of "providing you what you "need"... what you don't really "need" at all, but for which you're prepared to spend hundreds upon hundreds of dollars for poor product and poor construction....time and time again....
Kind of a "Technocrats in Doom" scenario where, consumers increasingly conditioned to obsolescence and technical failuire as the benchmark of modern production and marketting take turns dumping heavy metals and dead batteries into a communities water supply....or burning these useless lumps of plastic and metal as contributions to the atmosphere....
Great game they're playing with you there Juan....
We're all just loving the outcome....
Bill Gates and his brainchild "Microsoft" are products of this age Juan. Sound financial planning married wih energetic marketing/conditioning delivered by a technology devoted to taking your money for products and services of both dubiuous quality and predominantly unnecessary. You are provided a mental "plum", an opportunity to revel in the fantasy of violence and danger insulated from the outcome and oblivious to the consequences of your actions. You could join a combat sporting team/event, race your automobile or wrestle crocodiles (while pretending you're battling dragons or some mythical monster) but you'd end up probably a little worse off for the effort than you are sitting in your recreation room playing with your toys....
For a measly few hundred dollars of disposable income you can purchase a pile of IC's and printed circuits that isolates you from the world. For no better reason than your own desire to replace the reality of actual effort and physicality, you can amuse yourself with the imaginations of designers who provide a panorama of virtual reality that doesn't demand anything of you beyond the speed of your finger motor-reflexes and challenges you with a world full of dynamics for which you have both no responsibility and will suffer no consequences.... Kind of like the local "war on terrorism" or the effects of racism and poverty in the local barrio..."addressed" through a simulacrum of isolated insulated and disposable reality presented on the evening news on CNN or Fox....
A modern technocracy that embraces poor workmanship and the cheapest quality of parts manufactured by industries in nations that have horrendous poverty and little in the way of "democracy" that would be comparable to the experience of justice and/or poverty you experience.
You have been conditioned to believe that you're getting a "bargain" when a device of little actual value that performs the desired task....fantasy adventure that wisks you away to virtual reality where you can "experience" bloody mayhem and the "thrill" of martial combat....the electricity of speeding cars and the rattle of machine guns.....your personal waking daydream of non-reality that in all its non-reality is more inviting than the reality of your actual existence.... otherwise why would you be buying yet more junk from a technocracy that's done nothing but isolate you from your own reality and embraced the idea that selling the cheapest components assembled by people working for slave wages to perform a useless task at greatly inflated cost to the "consumer" is the message of progress in this the postmodern age?
Technocracies invite investment...of all kinds.....while making sure that the credo of planned obsolescence and marketing avenues assures ever-increasing sales to a conditioned and ready to buy public that thinks they're getting their dollars worth.....
Welcome to reality Juan.
Maybe you can write a game for the next generation of amusement electronics that provides a venue for technocrats and game programmers and marketing con-men that will impress them with the absurdity of their own disingenuous empty promises of "providing you what you "need"... what you don't really "need" at all, but for which you're prepared to spend hundreds upon hundreds of dollars for poor product and poor construction....time and time again....
Kind of a "Technocrats in Doom" scenario where, consumers increasingly conditioned to obsolescence and technical failuire as the benchmark of modern production and marketting take turns dumping heavy metals and dead batteries into a communities water supply....or burning these useless lumps of plastic and metal as contributions to the atmosphere....
Great game they're playing with you there Juan....
We're all just loving the outcome....
World Police
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June 10th, 2007, 12:33 PM
The x-box 360 cannot handle running at stock speeds without the CPU burning out, let alone running stable overclocked.
Quoting #juan
Not a computer, it's an x-box 360 gaming console.
Is this the same computer you were overclocking, or was that another one?
The x-box 360 cannot handle running at stock speeds without the CPU burning out, let alone running stable overclocked.
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June 10th, 2007, 01:00 PM
Quoting DurkaDurka
Pardon my ignorance. I don't do any gaming unless you count Pac- man or Space Invaders that I got on a little arcade package. The whole program is less than a mbyte.....definitely not serious gaming...
Not a computer, it's an x-box 360 gaming console.
The x-box 360 cannot handle running at stock speeds without the CPU burning out, let alone running stable overclocked.
The x-box 360 cannot handle running at stock speeds without the CPU burning out, let alone running stable overclocked.
World Police
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June 10th, 2007, 01:28 PM
You should pick your self up an 80's vintage pac-man machine, your grandkids would love it. :0
Quoting #juan
I hear you Juan, I mostly used my 360 for streaming media from pc to my it and output through my big screen.. so much for that though.
Pardon my ignorance. I don't do any gaming unless you count Pac- man or Space Invaders that I got on a little arcade package. The whole program is less than a mbyte.....definitely not serious gaming...
You should pick your self up an 80's vintage pac-man machine, your grandkids would love it. :0
World Police
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June 10th, 2007, 01:29 PM
Quoting Palestine87
Buyer beware, that's all I have to say about buying a 360.
Wow I was thinking of getting an XBOX 360 but it breaks down more often than my PS2.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
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June 10th, 2007, 02:13 PM
Durka Dude..
How long did it take for LP's....vinyl disks....to be replaced by eight tracks....by cassette ...by DVD by CD....
Do you really think the average human being can tell the difference between the sound quality of reproduction achieved through any of the above? Optimize reproduction with any of the devices and sysstems listed above and you'd (the average joe) have a tough time telling the difference...if there was one...
Beta to VHS to LaserDisk to DVD....High definition television and on and on and on...
For what?
Because we don't mind that our planet is used as a waste dump by all the manufacturers and get-rich-quick artists who decide that one format one medium has outgrown its usefulness in terms of generating profits...so let's change the rules and have everyone go buy something new and different that we can put the squash on....when we need more money and can just change the format....
Oh no I'm not being manipulated to buy anything I don't really actually want....
Oh NO my 2.3 GHZ computer with a gig of memory can't play the new version of Vista...or all those wonderful games....better go out and buy another faster one so I can throw this old piece of junk into the garbage....
No I don't contribute to climate change....I simply require that every device I purchase gets produced regardless of whether I actually need it or not.... and then promptly throw it into the trash when I'm promised something faster or better...that will last a day or two past the warranty (maybe) then I'll throw that away and move on to something else I don't need that won't last either....
Cultivating the disposable appetites among the better-off and the wealthy is the most un-talked about and ignored component of pollution and climate change....
Wonder why??????????????
Durka Dude..
How long did it take for LP's....vinyl disks....to be replaced by eight tracks....by cassette ...by DVD by CD....
Do you really think the average human being can tell the difference between the sound quality of reproduction achieved through any of the above? Optimize reproduction with any of the devices and sysstems listed above and you'd (the average joe) have a tough time telling the difference...if there was one...
Beta to VHS to LaserDisk to DVD....High definition television and on and on and on...
For what?
Because we don't mind that our planet is used as a waste dump by all the manufacturers and get-rich-quick artists who decide that one format one medium has outgrown its usefulness in terms of generating profits...so let's change the rules and have everyone go buy something new and different that we can put the squash on....when we need more money and can just change the format....
Oh no I'm not being manipulated to buy anything I don't really actually want....
Oh NO my 2.3 GHZ computer with a gig of memory can't play the new version of Vista...or all those wonderful games....better go out and buy another faster one so I can throw this old piece of junk into the garbage....
No I don't contribute to climate change....I simply require that every device I purchase gets produced regardless of whether I actually need it or not.... and then promptly throw it into the trash when I'm promised something faster or better...that will last a day or two past the warranty (maybe) then I'll throw that away and move on to something else I don't need that won't last either....
Cultivating the disposable appetites among the better-off and the wealthy is the most un-talked about and ignored component of pollution and climate change....
Wonder why??????????????
Dark Overlord
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June 10th, 2007, 06:28 PM
Quoting DurkaDurka
How much would buying an arcade machine like that cost?
I hear you Juan, I mostly used my 360 for streaming media from pc to my it and output through my big screen.. so much for that though.
You should pick your self up an 80's vintage pac-man machine, your grandkids would love it. :0
You should pick your self up an 80's vintage pac-man machine, your grandkids would love it. :0
