Artifical Wombs

grainfedpraiboy

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Of all the transhumanist technologies coming in the near future, one stands out that both fascinates and perplexes people. It's called ectogenesis: raising a fetus outside the human body in an artificial womb.


It has the possibility to change one of the most fundamental acts that most humans experience: the way people go about having children. It also has the possibility to change the way we view the female body and the field of reproductive rights.


Naturally, it's a social and political minefield............................................

http://motherboard.vice.com/en_ca/r...troversys-already-here?trk_source=recommended

My grandfather, born in an era of still nomadic Indians and horse drawn carriages but who witnessed two world wars, computers, moon landings and major social change once told me how he was grateful that he had lived his life when he had as a slower pace and some semblance of social stability had provided for a more fulfilling life.

As an example, I thought it was a bit silly for the old man to look fondly on driving a wagon team of horses to Edmonton for supplies over 24 hours rather than a one hour trip in a comfortable a pick up. But I get it now.

When you look at how consumerism and technology have both speed up the pace and degraded the qualities of our lives I can't help but be nostalgic for a simpler place in time. Stories such as the above on the future of artificial wombs and all the good and bad that comes with it makes me glad I'll be gone when it's mainstream.
 

SLM

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While I can't say this technology is bad for those who may not be able to conceive and give birth the old fashioned way, overall I have to say it leaves me with a rather cold feeling. Technology is well and good but it scares me sometimes how much it can take us away from our humanity. Not everything does but this I think definitely does that. Having given birth to two children, I would not trade the experience for anything in the world, swollen ankles and morning sickness included.
 

Goober

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I recall a Sci fi tv show where humans were grown in tanks. With medical knowledge expanding at such a pace, where we will see genetic reengineering become common in the coming decades, designer babies will not be far behind.
 

WLDB

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When you look at how consumerism and technology have both speed up the pace and degraded the qualities of our lives I can't help but be nostalgic for a simpler place in time.

Higher infant mortality rates, less education, more poverty, a much lower life expectancy. The times werent 'simpler' they just had different challenges.

I'm kind of indifferent to the idea. I'd prefer to slow down our rate of reproduction as a species. Probably wont happen anytime soon. If there are people who want to use this stuff go for it, if not, dont. As with anything else to each their own.
 

grainfedpraiboy

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As with anything else to each their own.

Where does your 'anything goes' (generation millennial) commitment to that maxim start and end?

On parents being able to design babies to not exclude a gay gene? For black parents to engineer babies that are white? Or maybe worse and the opposite like politically correctly condemning a child to deliberately be gay, handicapped, retarded or a white couple to engineer a child to be black?

Does your philosophy currently approve of allowing the sex selective abortions currently common in Canada's East Indian community or allowing pedophiles to create and distribute computer generated child pornography that does not involve humans?
 

WLDB

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Where does your 'anything goes' (generation millennial) commitment to that maxim start and end?

On parents being able to design babies to not exclude a gay gene? For black parents to engineer babies that are white? Or maybe worse and the opposite like politically correctly condemning a child to deliberately be gay, handicapped, retarded or a white couple to engineer a child to be black?

Does your philosophy currently approve of allowing the sex selective abortions currently common in Canada's East Indian community or allowing pedophiles to create and distribute computer generated child pornography that does not involve humans?

It ends when harm is done. I see no harm in growing a person in an artificial womb. Weird, yes. Harmful? Hardly.

When it comes to designer babies I'm not sure where Id stand on that. Does it harm a child to do so? In some cases, probably. In others, no.

I'm not a fan of sex selective abortions, but I dont see anyone (not even the Conservatives) willing to touch that issue.

As for the pedophiles and their CG porn - better they do that than use actual children. If they arent harming children I dont care.

I wonder what terms they will use for these babies because bastards is already taken

I kind of like the title myself having been born out of wedlock and all.
 

Sal

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Higher infant mortality rates, less education, more poverty, a much lower life expectancy. The times werent 'simpler' they just had different challenges.

I'm kind of indifferent to the idea. I'd prefer to slow down our rate of reproduction as a species. Probably wont happen anytime soon. If there are people who want to use this stuff go for it, if not, dont. As with anything else to each their own.
me too

my thoughts on the whole thing exactly
 

Sal

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um, why is our thread bleeding?