Canadian company collecting info on millions of habitual illegal downloaders

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Canadian company collecting info on millions of habitual illegal downloaders

If you like to download movies and music for free, beware, because Big Brother is watching you. Well, more like Big Brother Corp.
A Canadian forensic software company tells Postmedia News that it's collected data on a million Canadians who it says have illegally downloaded pirated content.
Canipre, a Montreal-based anti-piracy company, works for the movie and music-recording industries to fight the flourishing practice of peer-to-peer file sharing enabled by sites such as BitTorrent.
The company says a recent Federal Court of Canada ruling that forced Internet providers to release detailed information about subscribers is just a first step in an industry crackdown against illegal downloading.

"The door is closing," Canipre managing director Barry Logan told Postmedia News. "People should think twice about downloading content they know isn't proper."
Peer-to-peer file sharing has been around almost along as the Internet. Software allows computer systems to connect with each other or a central server via the web to exchange data.
That in itself is not illegal. But the software became popular in the late 1990s as a vehicle for people to share music via services such as now-defunct Napster without paying for it. The practice's supporters have used a kind of Robin Hood argument that high prices for CDs, DVDs and commercially available downloads justified their activities.
The entertainment industry, backed by government, argue it amounts to copyright infringement and piracy.
Last week, the Federal Court ordered several Internet service providers to hand over the names and addresses of 50 subscribers linked to illegal downloads to NGN Prima Production, Postmedia News reported.
The Burnaby, B.C., company alleged the subscribers had illegally downloaded copies of their movie, Recoil, a straight-to-video action flick starring ex-wrestler Stone Cold Steve Austin.
Logan said last week's Federal Court should be a wake-up call to Canadians who need to realize they could be held liable for digital piracy and face commercial penalties of up to $5,000.
Canipre is involved in another, potentially much bigger case that could snare thousands of Canadians it says have illegally downloaded movies and other content, Logan told Postmedia News.
The company has files on one million Canadians who've downloaded movies via BitTorrent over the last five months, identifying them through IP addresses.
Logan said many people ignore warnings from their service providers that they're engaged in illegal downloading and now may receive legal letters warning of possible court action against them. Under Canada's recently revised copyright law, copyright holders can seek statutory damages limited to $5,000 for non-commercial infringement, he said.

"Canada is a very significant country in terms of peer-to-peer file sharing and illegal downloading of copyright works," Logan told Postmedia News.
"We have quite a significant evidence collection program that has been in place in Canada for a number of months, it doesn't discriminate between ISPs."
The Canadian movie industry appears to be following the lead of its U.S. counterpart in combating piracy, said Mira Sundara Rajan, formerly the Canada Research chair in intellectual property law at the University of British Columbia.
The U.S. uses a graduated system known as the "Six Strikes," initiative, she told Postmedia News. Downloaders are first warned that what they're doing is illegal and repeat offenders are then blocked from access to certain sites, with the threat of legal action from rights holders used as the final step, she said.
"I think the end game actually is to try and make a dent in the downloading activity," said Sundara Rajan. "What we are doing is following in the footsteps of an American approach here which has been to try to target individual users and set them as examples of what can go wrong if your illegal downloading activity is discovered.
"I think that it is much more than an issue of trying to get fines in place. I think it is a question of creating an idea of deterrence in the mind of the public."
Logan seems to agree, saying Canipre is looking for repeat or habitual illegal downloaders. They will be idenified only by their IP addresses initially, he said, but if legal action is taken, their names would be released in the statements of claim filed in court.
Not surprisingly, the peer-to-peer community has greeted the Federal Court ruling negatively.
A post on the site TorrentFreak says "copyright trolls" are threatening downloaders with legal action in the U.S. and Europe to try and extract cash payments.
" 'Pay us a cash settlement,' the trolls advise, 'or we'll make your life a misery.'
"While Canadians are known for their love of online file-sharing, in contrast they have engaged in their pastime largely unhindered for more than a decade. But a court ruling last week has the potential to change the landscape in the largely sharing-tolerant country."
The threat of court action in Canada will also be used as leverage to get case payments, the TorrentFreak post predicts.

"But while the United States has punishing statutory damages of US$150,000 per item infringed, non-commercial statutory damages in Canada are capped at $5000 meaning the fear factor will be considerably smaller.
"Will Canadians feel compelled to pay? We may soon find out."
Canadian company collecting info on millions of habitual illegal downloaders | Daily Brew - Yahoo! News Canada



The end is nigh. 8O
 

petros

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Pfffffffffffffffb. There hasn't beenn a movie worth stealing in years. It's all remakes or comic book ****.
 

karrie

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When will advertisers catch on and start offering movie credits and stuff for viewing their ads? My daughter gets free phone calls on her iPod that way. If they're that worked up about piracy, find alternatives. People aren't going to be willing to go back to paying.
 

Dexter Sinister

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I'd like to see a clear definition of what is and is not piracy in this context. For instance, I pay for a cable tv service, and included in the package is a little box that sits on a shelf below the tv set. It has a hard drive in it, and I can program it to record anything that comes over the cable so I can watch it at my convenience. How is that any different from downloading a bit torrent of the show to a laptop that has the tv set plugged in as an external monitor and watching it that way, or downloading it to some other PC in the house and streaming it to the laptop over the home network? The only difference I can see is that this Canipre company can detect the bit torrent download, but not the one on the tv cable.
 

Locutus

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I have about 5 Gigs of youtube songs (videos) for reasonably nice high quality sound that I've downloaded for music-listening. Good stuff I like, have searched for and continue to do so.

Come at me bro.
 

damngrumpy

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Dexter sinister the difference is, the cable company and then you pay for the service to record
taking things that don't belong to you is what? I agree with the copyright law as they are
supposed to prevent stealing of artists property.
I have no problem with prosecutions either. I do like Karrie's idea of giving credits for watching
ads and applying that to downloading
 

Dexter Sinister

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Yes, I've paid for a service that allows me to record things so I can view them when I want to. What difference does it make where and how I record them? I can watch Castle on cable tv when it's on, or I can record it on the little DTVR box under the tv for later viewing if the time isn't convenient, or I can download a bit torrent from Pirate Bay. Seems to me I've paid for it regardless of how I do it, and as long as I'm not duplicating it and giving or selling it to anybody else, I don't see that it makes any difference in principle.
 

MHz

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I thought places like NetFlix solved that issue? Then there are sites that offer sample viewing.
The Comedy Network

I have about 5 Gigs of youtube songs (videos) for reasonably nice high quality sound that I've downloaded for music-listening. Good stuff I like, have searched for and continue to do so.

Come at me bro.
You just need 22M others to do just the same then you'll be safe.
 

SLM

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PoliticalNick

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Dexter sinister the difference is, the cable company and then you pay for the service to record
taking things that don't belong to you is what? I agree with the copyright law as they are
supposed to prevent stealing of artists property.
I have no problem with prosecutions either. I do like Karrie's idea of giving credits for watching
ads and applying that to downloading

Movie studios still make huge profits, they are not affected as much as the media want us to think. Music artists are forced to tour instead of releasing studio albums to make a living, what a shame.

For many years I could record any song on the radio and listen to it when I wanted, I could give a copy of that recording to my friends without punishment. I could copy a VHS and share it with friends without punishment as long as I didn't use it commercially. I see no difference between these situations and P2P sharing other than the speed and ease of access.

I have about 5 Gigs of youtube songs (videos) for reasonably nice high quality sound that I've downloaded for music-listening. Good stuff I like, have searched for and continue to do so.

Come at me bro.
I have close to a Tb of movies, tv, and music.....you're slacking ;-)

You just need 22M others to do just the same then you'll be safe.
21,999,999 :p
 

MHz

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How many Lawyers are lined up with class action lawsuit based on the new new-no-tempting laws, based on if you don't want people to take your goat don't show them where it's at. Might as well name everybody that has ever played a tune for the general public cause everybody know we aren't that bright individually let alone in a spur of the moment group. Let see how sales improve when the only media left for them is smoke signals.

21,999,999 :p
For your sake I hope that is the number already collected than the number yet to join you rebel alliance. The last full album I listen to was the Moody Blues. A single speaker isn't stereo is it, is that a lesser charge?
 

Bar Sinister

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I'm guessing the impact on downloading will be close to zero for several reasons. First, unless the amount downloaded is gigantic a maximum penalty of $5000 is simply too small to bother taking most people to court. The cost of the legal action would be less than the award in most cases.

Second, the fact that illegal users must be warned will simply prompt many illegal users to use software that hides their IP addresses.

Third, there are simply too many cases to prosecute. Prosecution of illegal downloads in the USA has had almost no impact on stemming the number of people who download music and other files without paying. I expect the result in Canada will be the same. Just in case you are interested is is estimated that there were 96.6 million illegal downloads in the US. We're No. 1! U.S. Tops Illegal Downloads List, Drake Is Most Pirated Artist | SPIN | Newswire
 

Niflmir

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Ever tell someone a joke that you heard somewhere? That is what copyright infringement is.

Copyright infringement is hardly an offense. Before some few thousand years ago, all of human history was spread by copyright infringement. Most artists produce for love of art. What do they call the people who do it for the money/fame? Sell outs.

Neil Gaiman even points out that the biggest share of his income comes from the countries with the most prevalent copyright infringement. There is hardly any evidence that copyright actually entices the production of content and plenty of evidence of harm to society.

Also, it bothers me how they tout the US's brand new 6 strikes policy as if they have been doing it forever. They don't know anything about the consequences about it and France is trying to reel in their overpriced similar system. Don't import unproved copyright maximalism.
 

WLDB

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I download a fair bit. The stuff I like I do buy a physical copy of once it is available. The stuff I don't like I delete. I consider that practice to be similar to listening to a radio - except you cant delete the stuff you don't like from a radio unfortunately.